The Atheist And The Believer-Why Have A Discussion?
By jujunme
@jujunme (2501)
United States
January 28, 2011 8:37pm CST
In my opinion, i can't understand why atheists and believers even bother to have discussions with each other here, since it is quite obvious that the two will never see eye to eye and going by most of the discussions i've read here,they end up arguing with each other and getting nowhere.i would like to think that those who question believers about their faith or existence of God are maybe on the fence or are searching for their own spirituality or belief in him, but,going strictly by the discussions i've come across here on Mylot, just as fervent and unmovable as the believers are, is just as fervent and unmovable the atheist is and while i believe one should hold tight to whatever they fervently believe in , especially when it comes to personal faith,trying to instill this in anyone who will not budge,in my opinion is pointless and gets neither side anywhere.
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@_sketch_ (5742)
• United States
29 Jan 11
Personally, I like to debate about such topics to get a better understanding of people and of the world. I often like it when people who's views differ from my own argue against my beliefs. (In a respectable way, of course) I question all things, including my own beliefs. A belief that cannot withstand criticism is not a belief worth holding in my book. I am a person who is constantly searching for truth and knowledge. Talking things through causes us to think and thinking causes us to learn.
I really do hate when it turns into an argument, but admittedly if someone says something disrespectful towards anyone's beliefs then I usually will go into the discussion aiming to take them down a notch. lol. But if someone is respectful then I will show them equal respect in return.
Anyways, I would just like to let you know that there is a third option as to the reason why people would want to take part in such a debate. Yes they may be trying to convert the other party; and yes they may be on the fence, searching for their own spirituality; but I, although I hold my own beliefs and am not agnostic or "sitting on the fence", am just interested in learning about the world.
I do have my own beliefs, but I keep an open mind. If someone presents me with something and then gives me a valid reason why I should believe it, I will definitely take it into consideration regardless of whether it conflicts with my current beliefs. And that's the problem, I think. The reason why most debates like this are pointless, as you say, is because people have the tendency to only hear what they want to hear and don't really listen to or care about what the other person is talking about, so they miss the point.
Haha A lot of times I will see two people arguing that are actually saying the same thing! They agree, but they don't even realize it because they are so stubborn. lol I have to admit, I like anyone, also fall victim to my own stubbornness sometimes. It's an easy thing to fall into.
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@jujunme (2501)
• United States
29 Jan 11
Don't get me wrong,differences of opinions are fine and we all can learn from one another other in a debate or discussion.but, when it comes to the subject of religion or a personal belief system, most of the time,the atheist and the believer are on such opposite sides of the coin, that it becomes almost impossible for them to agree on anything or even respect one anothers point of view.and all anyone would have to do is, read some of the religious discussions on here to prove that point.
A valid opinion on most any subject would, as you mentioned help one to consider it and mull it over, but, when, in my opinion it comes to a personal belief or conviction no one is going to be able to sway me to their side and especially not through any type of ridicule or disrespect and unfortunately, i see far to much of this going on here, that i feel it's pointless and the end result remains the same as if the discussion was never started in the first place.
@bird123 (10643)
• United States
29 Jan 11
These two groups need to interact. Both are teaching each other great lessons. You might not be aware of the results but their interaction is necessary and important. Of course, a bit more love and kindness between the two would only help the learning process.
@jujunme (2501)
• United States
29 Jan 11
You are just one of the examples as to why i sterted this discussion in the first place, with the exception that you "respect"those who believe differently. and i can fully understand why you avoid religious discussions for the same reasons i mentioned here. The rights of anyone to believe or not to believe should be respected and that holds true for atheists and believers alike.why get involved in any discussion, just to have your opinion or faith ridiculed? and as you mentioned we all should be able to learn from each other, yet form what i've seen here, when it comes to religious matters, the respect just isn't there.
@djbtol (5493)
• United States
30 Jan 11
Having considered most of the comments here, I do think it can be a good thing when a Christian and an atheist have some discussions. I am a Christian, so I come from that side, but you were saying what could be the benefit?
What are some benefits for the atheist? All people can benefit from healthy discussion with others. Even though there is this big difference in beliefs, called God, both Atheist and Christian are people living in this world. The difference in world view must open up some areas to think. Also, both have had some kind of 'faith' journey and that can be interesting to share.
For both sides, there is a benefit to learn how to discuss things with someone who has very different beliefs than yours. An analogy would be a political discussion between a conservative Republican and a liberal Democrat. It may not be easy to keep such a discussion civil, but if we can, we have moved our communication and thinking skills up a notch.
For the Christian there is much to be learned and thought about from a conversation with an Atheist. The Christian can relax and trust that his belief system is safely guarded, and not likely to change. The Cristian must put away the urge to convert the atheist (leave that up to God). The Atheist, as a person is certainly worth getting to know and to understand. The Christian will also be challenged to think about why they believe what they do.
Rather than getting all tensed up and defensive in our beliefs, we should try to find the confidence in what we believe so we can sit and discuss with others. Both Christian and Atheist can accept up front that the other will have some beliefs that are just strange.
@jujunme (2501)
• United States
30 Jan 11
'all people can benefit from a "healthy" discussion with others"
The operative word in your comment is healthy. a healthy and respectful discussion on any subject is definitely ideal for anyone seeking to learn from the ideas and opinions of others, but, (since i have not come across many atheists in my daily life so, i can only speak of the religious discussions i very often read here on Mylot)i have come to the conclusion that these discussions are more of a who's right and who's wrong debate.How can anyone benefit from these kinds of discussions? also, i tend to disagree when you say as a Christian "there is much to be learned from the atheist" again,it would depend on what and how the atheist presents his or her point of view.How can we as Christians learn from anyone who does nothing more than make a flat out statement of disbelief and then challenges the believer to prove them different.? and again on the other hand a Christian,who claims to be God fearing and religious telling the atheist,if they don't believe what this believer is saying,will most likely face the wrath of God. yes, there are things to be learned and thought about from an opposite opinion, but it is how it'presented and the reason behind it.
@mac1946 (1602)
• Calgary, Alberta
29 Jan 11
Hello jujunme,while I have read all the answers so far,I have yet to see an answer to your question,of why bother to have the discussion in the first place.
This can be said for a great many subjects.
I find that one religion will put out a question on religion to keep everyone aware of their point of view,so the atheist will have to answer to make sure everyone knows there is a different point of view,it is the same with Islam and Christian religions,they are both very strong against each other in actual beliefs,so will never be able to get along.
Discussions and wars between religions can never be won without the total destuction of at least one of them,and this will never happen.
Thank you for the discussion.
mac
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
29 Jan 11
hi jujunme I agree all this does is make each other really pissed
off and both will go off sulking in all probability. Why stir up
a mylot war? There are better ways to enjoy mylotting than yelling at each other over our beliefs.its pointless and rude. we all have the right tol own our own beliefs.To force others to our way of thinking is an exercise in futility.so why do it?
@jujunme (2501)
• United States
29 Jan 11
Hi Friend: I just don't understand this myself.why bother having any kind of discussion if neither side refuses to have an open mind about things. this is not an exchange of opinions where people can interact and learn from one another.it's simply an argument as who is right and who is wrong, pointless.
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@sender621 (14894)
• United States
29 Jan 11
An atheist and a believer would be on opposite sides of a discussion. they would probably be in total disagreement of each other. What better way to get your point of view expressed than to be the complete opposite of your debater? We could only learn from each other.
@jujunme (2501)
• United States
29 Jan 11
"An atheist and a believer would be on opposite sides of a discussion, they would be in total disageement with each other"
Exactly my point and exactly whyi believe it's pointless for the two to discuss religious matters.exactly what would they learn form each other?,except to disagree The believer goes away still believing and the atheist remains the non believer.so, what was it all for in the first place?