Michelle Bachmann vs. Veterans Groups
By gladys46
@gladys46 (1205)
United States
February 3, 2011 1:15pm CST
"A proposal to cut $4.5 billion from Veterans Affairs Department health programs to reduce government spending has earned a quick, sharp rebuke from major veterans groups. Proposed by Rep. Bachmann, R-Minn., the freeze in veterans health care funding along with a cut in disability compensation for veterans also receiving Social Security disability benefits -- are part of a $400 billion package of spending cuts that the tea party leader says could be enacted to avoid increasing the $143 trillion cap on government borrowing."
Do you think this proposal is unconscionable while our nation is a war?
You may read more at a Jan. 28, 2011 article found at ArmyTimes.
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5 responses
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
5 Feb 11
Gladys, I think this proposal is unconscionable whether we are at war or not. Our veterans deserve the best we have to offer because they all were willing to pay with their very lives in service to this country. Did you know that millions of Viet Nam veterans have developed coronary artery disease, which has been scientifically proven to be the result of exposure to Agent Orange while in country? My husband had a heart attack, followed by triple bypass surgery at 56 years of age with no history of heart disease in his family. He did two tours in Nam. Should the government turn it's back on him and the millions of other vets who were MADE sick by the chemicals they were exposed to against their will?
My thoughts are this. Anyone who chooses to serve his/her country...who willingly puts themselves in harm's way in the line of duty...deserves to be cared for to the best of our ability afterwards if/when they need help.
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@gladys46 (1205)
• United States
5 Feb 11
spalladino, thank you ... and I wholeheartedly agree. To your bottom line, I say Amen and Amen again. It is difficult to believe that any person sworn to protect and serve the people of this nation and our "Constitution" could bring themselves to even bring such a notion (cutting billions from our vets benefits) to the public for some silly test run!!
Many will travel far beyond the "issue" in desparate attempts to support a very bad messenger just because that "messenger" is anti-President Obama. That is clear to moi!! I rest my discussion on that note.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
3 Feb 11
If you ask me, a great way to honor the vets of the US is to do away with the dismal VA medical program completely. It is a travesty what is inflicted on us in the name of "treatment" and "honoring" us.
Let us see our own doctors and go to local hospitals for treatment. There are reasons almost every vet who can afford to, stays far away from the meat grinders known as VA medical centers.
@gladys46 (1205)
• United States
3 Feb 11
ParaTed, with a 4.5 billion dollar cut in benefits, what would you suggest your experience might be?
I'm so very sorry ParaTed that your experience with the VA medical programs are not good ... that is totally unacceptable as far as I'm concerned ... just wrong!
I do have a brother-in-law who is retired Airforce, he and my sister have a more than wonderful experience with their VA and all it's benefits offered.
If I lived in your area, I'd help you boycott, with big old signs, at the front doors of that VA ...Yes I would!
Our vets, in my opinion deserve everything, ALL things that this nation has to offer them ... surely not a 4.5 billion dollar cuts ... as this article stated: "forcing our wounded warriors to sacrifice even more than they already have."
I believe that to be physical wounds or emotional wounds.
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
3 Feb 11
Agreed.
I can't speak to treatment on a wide scale or for myself, as I've never been in the military, and I know one instance is only one instance, but they sent my uncle to one of those pits for "evaluation" and concluded he was okay. He snapped a week later and tried to kill his wife before killing himself.
Now, it's 100% his fault. He did it. But this guy was showing more signs than a road trip to Vegas. They just shuffled him out of there quickly.
I feel for people who have been disfigured and disabled getting bottom rung care at times.
I just hope it's not like that across the board, but I've heard a lot of horror stories coming from a big military family.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
4 Feb 11
Personally, I think all federal government departments should be forced to justify their existence under the US Constitution. Then all remaining departments should be audited down to the penny. There should be a 10% cut in all budgets, then additional cuts made based on the outcome of the audits.
This should include the entire Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches. No sacred cows... not even the VA.
@laglen (19759)
• United States
4 Feb 11
First let me preface my response with
I do not support cutting benefits for Veterans. If ANYBODY deserves assistance from tax payers, it is veterans.
From the article you cited,
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2011/01/military-michele-bachmann-veterans-budget-cuts-012811w/
you left out something,
in a statement, Bachmann said her plan is intended for discussion purposes as an example of ways to cut federal spending
Further digging showed
The plan projected huge savings from drastic measures like abolishing the Department of Education, overhauling farm subsidies and eliminating a host of Justice Department grants and programs.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/29/bachmann-takes-heat-veterans-group-proposing-benefits-cuts/#ixzz1D0PAs3gD
I agree with these. She was simply offering suggestions. She did NOT propose these cuts in a bill. She did not say this is what SHOULD be done, she simply said it COULD be done.
Atleast she is offering suggestions to reduce spending instead of pushing for more spending
energy
infrastructure
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
4 Feb 11
actually government intelligence is the oxymoron. Regarding Bachmann, I myself would not have even mentioned the veterans. But she did. The fact that the media is ignoring the rest of the statement and taking the statement out of context, well that is also irresponsible.
@gladys46 (1205)
• United States
4 Feb 11
Laglen, thank you for reading the article directly from ArmyTimes ... I offered it so that ALL could continue reading it for discussion!!
Again, I believe that this "proposal" was outrageous even if it came from King Tut! This sort of controversy cannot be very uplifting to our vets or our active troops ... period! Once again, IMO, Rep. Michelle Bauchmann and "intelligence committees" is an oxymoron!!
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@EvanHunter (4026)
• United States
4 Feb 11
I have been unfortunate enough to go to a VA hospital two times in my life and I have to agree with Ted on this one, VA hospitals are already a butcher shop. I can't imagine how much worse they would be with even more budget cuts. I can't speak for all of them but I have been to one in Illinois and Michigan and both looked as if I had just stepped back in time to the 1950's. If they were serious about taking care of veterans and cutting the budget they should do away with most of the VA hospitals or give vets the choice of going to a regular doctor or hospital. Lets see some of that free market in action with good ole' fashioned competition. I am not surprised this came from Michelle Bachmann either.
@EvanHunter (4026)
• United States
7 Feb 11
It would be nice if like you said you could get all your needs taken care of in one place but in both the ones I have been to it wasn't that way and you had to go to normal hospitals to get tests run anyways. The one I went to in Illinois was under investigation. Here is a link to a report about it in 2009, really the one in Florida sounds nothing like this place but serious would you rather take your husband to this place or a normal hospital? http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120053973
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
5 Feb 11
I'm sorry that you've had such bad experiences with the V.A. hospitals you've gone to Evan. My husband is currently being cared for at the V.A. Medical Center in West Palm Beach, Florida...which is not only a beautiful facility but also state of the art and very well run. We never wait more than 15 minutes to be seen and the care he has received there has been excellent for the past 6 years or so. Before that we went to the one in Baltimore, MD. and they were just as good.
Let me ask you this question. If you had multiple health problems, including psychiatric (in my husband's case PTSD), would you want to go to several different doctors that you had to find yourself in several different locations as well as going to other facilities for tests and prescriptions...or would you want everything in one location?
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
8 Feb 11
No, I would not take my husband to that facility and agree that the conditions in the surgical department there are appalling. As I posted to Ted, not all V.A. facilities are A+ but I've seen no data that indicates the majority are substandard. For that reason I don't agree that the system, which serves so many millions so well, should be disbanded.
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@Adoniah (7513)
• United States
3 Feb 11
I don't think it is right for people to double dip. That takes away from the Vets who have no place else to turn. Something does need to be done about the quality of care being given to the Vets. It is very sad. Unless you live near a good VA hospital your care is sorry. If you are on the VA stipend it is usless.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
5 Feb 11
What do you mean by double dipping? My husband cannot work due to his PTSD, which he developed in Viet Nam...hell, I can't work due to his PTSD but I'm not compensated for that. He is compensated because he's 100% combat service disabled. Since he's also over 62, and since he paid into the Social Security system for over 40 years, are you saying that he should have no right to those benefits?
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