High Speed Rail Debacle.
By ParaTed2k
@ParaTed2k (22940)
Sheboygan, Wisconsin
February 8, 2011 2:36pm CST
States, you have the great opportunity to bring $100s of million of federal dollars to your state. Prs. Obama's plan to connect millions of people with a national high speed rail system comes with a landfall of $$$ from the federal teet.
The problem is, once the rail systems are set up, each state will be responsible for running and maintaining the parts that fall in their state.
So, while it may bring in millions today, it will cost your taxpayers far, far more every single year.
What sounds like a good idea, will just be another unfunded mandate to the taxpayers of each state.
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9 responses
@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
10 Feb 11
Don't get blinded by your politics on this one. Right now our fastest trains are in the Northeast corridor and not a one of them can travel more than half the speed of trains in every major European and Asian country. When it comes to the rail system, we are a third world country.
Remember one thing, trains run on electricity. Airplanes and trucks do not and only a small percentage of cars can. That might not seem like a big deal now with gas around $3 per gallon but what about when gas goes to $10, $15, $20 a gallon?
Maybe you believe that gas prices will not keep rising but I do not have your optimism and if I am right, we better start upgrading every part of our rail system asap. (Apparently, Warren Buffet feels as I do. He recently concluded th biggest deal of his life and he bought a railroad.)
Having a first rate rail system will bring business to the farmers and manufacturers of America. Small and medium size businesses will be able to compete (very successfully, I think) with large companies like Walmart that will see their prices for bulk cnatainer importing from third world countries rise and their profits dwindle. Certainly, having local businesses thrive will be a boon to the states maintaining the rails.
As the system is updated and some new rails are laid, more passengers will choose the rails over expensive air transport. Right now, it's faster (and cheaper) to travel Philadelphia to Boston by train. If the system is upgraded to the level of the rest of the civilized world that could prove true for many other locations and could prove a very big plus to American business.
I'm all for budget cuts but not at the expense of the future of this country. I think our future depends on our rail system every bit as much as our past did.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
10 Feb 11
Then YOU and Mr. Buffet can foot the bill for maintaining these money pits. It's not about politics, it's about logic, and money.
Most states are in the hole by a billion or more dollars. That means there is NO MONEY to add another $100 million or so in UNFUNDED MANDATES.
I would be all for Warren Buffet and other investors creating a private system, even with some seed money from the fed. However, there has never been a profitable commuter rail system, and probably never will be.
And don't dump the "it will be good for farmers and small business" crap. Give me specific examples of how it can. The small towns in Wisconsin have been told how great it will be too, but so far all anyone can cite is how easy it will be to go out of the small towns to shop in the big cities. They say that works both ways, and that people in the cities will be able to shop in the small towns... but they don't went they have the convenience of cars... why would they just because there are trains?
Now, I have nothing against cities getting together to create systems that will connect them. But those are for the cities and counties to fund, not the federal government.
Sorry, but no one in less populated areas will benefit from trains. All they will see is higher taxes... which is the point in the first place.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
10 Feb 11
Yes, people in other countries use trains much more than cars. Why? Because the tyrants that run those countries tax gasoline to the point that it's cheaper for the people to use the trains... even then though, the trains run as such dismal losses, it takes vast taxes to keep them going. So your heroes who run other countries are raking their people over the coals twice. Isn't that so swell of them.
@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
31 Mar 11
Ted, I just had a few minutes to get back here and I read your response and it is BS.
It's not a matter of me and Warren Buffet funding this thing. It's a matter of survival for this country.
If there was a way to support railroads, I would but as a public utility, I can't invest in RR stock and neither can any other American although they can purchase RR's as Mr. Buffet has. Frankly, I've already bought what I can afford to in companies that make RR boxcars and equipment.
The fact that the states are in the hole means nothing. The railroads are federal and need federal subsidizing NOW, if we are going to survive. If we have a third rate railroad system in the years ahead, we will be a third rate power in the years ahead.
You say that people in other countries use railroads more than we do because "tyrants" tax gasoline in their countries. What difference does it make HOW the price of gas goes up? Bottom line is that it is going up and it will rise here also. It's now around $4 per gallon I think only a fool will expect it to go down.
Bottom line is "RAILROADS RUN ON ELECTRICITY".
@afzeng (9)
• India
9 Feb 11
From my point of view Obama is doing the right thing in the rally of development giving good response to the call of today's science and technology...there should be a mandatory rule to bear the cost of repairing as the service is for almost all people and is the property of the denizens of a state...But this view is the best one and I request earnestly all well thinker to help Obama setting up the Rails..I wish its success
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
9 Feb 11
It will help the people of some cities at the expense of all Americans. I guess you enjoy a good money pit, as long as Obama backs it.
@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
9 Feb 11
SOunds to me like it is going to be up the east coast mainly in new Englad and they already have the T that runs it maybee just in Mass as thats where I rode it but to it could have ran farther up or down the coast states and Cal wont get it for they cant ge tthe funding and looks like Nevada isnt even talking about one any more or not at this time.
@laglen (19759)
• United States
9 Feb 11
AHH probably because Amtrak does so well? Or maybe because all of these states have all of this extra money lying around? What with their roads and bridges being in such sterling condition? Oh yeah, then there is the train clause in the Constitution. It comes before the "nobody will ever get sick again" and right after the "chicken in every pot and internet in every house" clause. So clearly this should be TOP priority. But I do wonder about the 20% of America that wont be included in this scheme. That is just favoritism for people in the city. We need to have light rail going past everybodies household. This way, we wont have to walk anywhere.
*** please please please tell me you caught the sarcasm
@olivebranch56 (910)
• United States
9 Feb 11
I don't understand why our elected officials, who are supposedly well educated, and claim to know what we want can not look a few years ahead to what they are actually signing us up for. All they seem to see is the green in front of them, and in MHO they are trying to think ahead to see how they can skim off the top for other things than what the money is designated for.
I was so shocked the other night when I watched the local news, we have schools closing around us left and right in Charlotte, NC. Teachers being laid off all over NC, and what does the city of Concord do? Where I live, they get a grant is it to help save teachers jobs? Does it feed the children who go to bed hungry or without a bed to sleep in at night? Does it even save some stray animals? No! No! No! AND NO!
It is for a solar panel for a new parking deck the city has erected. Not only is the deck not in a good location to uptown, making it that much harder on commuters, why in the world would a parking deck need solar panels? People in this city can't pay their electric and water bills, but we need a solar panel system for a parking deck!!!! I will never understand how people who claim to be so intelligent and educated can be so stupid! Oh wait....I guess we get what we pay for in education.
@dark_joev (3034)
• United States
8 Feb 11
I live in Portland Oregon which has a transit system that is ran by a Company not the state. It runs okay and for the most part is pretty easy to get around the only thing is that they are split by three different counties in the state Multinomah and Clackmas being the two biggest in the three.
I personally think the Idea is a good one as it would be making trains that go faster like bullet trains so it would be really a fast train but I also think that building a completely new system over just upgrading the current train system in this country is a huge waste. As the current Train system works really well. I also think that having the states take care of the parts that are in them of this system isn't a good Idea as some states like Wyoming don't have the people to pay for a system like this and could states opt out? I mean I know that Washington Oregon and California would be for it but I am not sure if enough of the middle states which are mostly farming would really want or use a train system like this as they currently use the existing train system to move there goods to port cities.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
8 Feb 11
These government funded trains haven't made a profit in DECADES. They are a complete waste of taxpayer dollars. Add to that the fact that these high speed rails are a joke. Most people who want them are too stupid to realize that the "high speed trains" will be sharing the tracks with LOW SPEED trains which will make it impossible for them to take advantage of their full potential.
@sid556 (30959)
• United States
8 Feb 11
I remember the railways from when I was a kid and I get kind of nostalgic thinking about them but they got rid of them for a reason. They have already spent time and money getting rid of the tracks and the railroad ties etc etc. Now to re-build everything??? Just doesn't seem cost effective with the cost of maintainence and fuel etc. It just doesn't sound like a good plan at all. Let's just hope that it doesn't go through.
@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
8 Feb 11
I used to be very enthusiastic about bringing back trains--until I realized how much it would continue to cost the states for decades. Building them now would cost billions and bankrupt most states. And I don't think anyone would use them. I used to think I would but then I thought about how I would get around once I was in the city and I can't afford car rental prices nor taxi fare.
There are just too many drawbacks.
Does that man ever think anything through?!