Slice of memories who will never be published (1) : the value of things.
By topffer
@topffer (42156)
France
February 9, 2011 1:10am CST
When I was a student I rented during a few months an attic room. I was in Paris but the inhabitants of this building were directly coming from the Russian Empire. My landlord -- he was not really, but was authorized to sublet a maid's room -- was an old, poor, retired, depressive and mustachioed man born in Paris from a couple of Russian emigrants. He was divorced and alone and struck often at my door to offer me a drink. The walls of his flat were covered of paintings and drawings made by Russian artists arrived in Paris after 1917 like his parents. Many were portraits or sketches of him since he was a child, many others were contemporary art. I remember I asked who was the author of a large blue, black and red panel who was fixed on the door... in the toilet room ! He had a large smile and said : "He painted also this one, and this one, and this one, and..." He stood up, took a photo album, showed me a man in a small restaurant's orchestra : "Sergei was a great player of balalaika !" I concluded that my landlord would not earn a lot if he wanted to sell his paintings...
Ten years later, I was invited in a rich house, and I recognized on a painting in the corridor the same shades of blue and red. I could not hold : "What a surprise : I know somebody who has at least ten paintings of this player of balalaika." My host stared wide-eyed and replied : "I would like to have ten Poliakoff : I bought this one $100,000 and it was a great deal." Well, everybody can make a mistake : a large painting of Serge Poliakoff -- who played balalaika in restaurants during many years to survive in Paris --, like the panel I saw on this door is worth... half a million dollars today, maybe more. My poor landlord was not so poor.
Buyers and sellers are making the price of contemporary art. Owners of Paid To Click sites and members are making the price of a click : some new members at myLot find natural to receive emails at $100 each. I have often made errors on the value of things, not only on the art that you can see in the toilet rooms.
And you ?
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@mysticalecstasy (472)
• Pakistan
10 Feb 11
I have never been introduced to art! Not properly at least! The only art which i remember is when i was making it in grade 4 or 5. My teacher had asked all of us to draw triangles one in front of the other, an exercise to help us understand how one would place things in different spatial orients! I added all the triangles to each other making a ... Well something different!! My teacher made all the my drawings after that!!!
I had the pleasure of staying in my home city for a couple of years in our old house! During my stay i became very attached to it! Lately when a discussion arose regarding the sale of it, i very plainly and clearly enlightened others of my views! Later when i was talking to my mom, she says she was brought up there but with her father gone and all she does not want to cling to mud and bricks!! She said she could find her father holding out his arms for her in warm reception or hugs to soother away her worries there so what use does she have of it! For her its no longer a home, its just a house!! I can understand how she feels though i haven't been able to grow myself onto this idea! I have never been acquainted with my ancestors who lived there but i have heard about them from my grandmother so much that i feel as if i have known them personally! The thought of losing something that belonged to them, something they so lovingly built demolished to give way to some modern day contraption breaks my heart!
Renovating it is very expensive but i am willing to share it! I probably may never be able to repay the debt, but i still want to do it. I don't want to loose what little connection i have with my ancestors! Its feels as if a piece of you is being torn away!
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@topffer (42156)
• France
11 Feb 11
I am ancient and have nothing to do with Brad Pitt. I know 19th and before art, and also some useless details about the life of 19th century artists.
Many of us do not know the history of their families, but some others still know it. Passing your history on to somebody else is your responsibility. Personally, I don't have an overweening pride or contempt for it, so I will not write it.
I wish you to be able to manage your life according to your aspirations.
@mysticalecstasy (472)
• Pakistan
10 Feb 11
Do you know you sound practical, and sad and poetic! I would like to read what you have written someday! I have a feeling i am missing out on a lot! I already love discussions!!
Your right and i know in my heart my mother is right too but i guess i just need time to adjust to this thought!! I just find it depressing that we are no longer educated in our family histories! half of what we fight through has already been faced and defeated by our ancestors and its sad to not be able to learn from them even though they are no longer there!! I loved listening to my grandmother reminiscing about her childhood and our great grandparents! She even brought out the old family tree and then my grandfather pointed out all the mistakes in to her and she got all miffed!!
Your right in saying there is no use in caring for walls when the people who lived in them are no longer alive! I just don't want to loose my heritage! I want to be able to educate my future generation too! Let it shape them into good individuals as it rightly should! i want them to be of a class which has become extinct! But i guess clinging to the lifeless walls won't help!!
Do you know even my family has a sword of one of these battles too! In our case the Mughalian era!!
My education in art is very much lacking as i have already said!! I was introduced to the usual names and all but that is just it! It was know the names of painters of this generation or that country etc. This is one area which i would like to look into! This and world traveling!!
Buy you sound suddenly so ancient!! Do you know what pic i have in my mind of you after reading the "before i am able to survive" old Benjamin Button sitting in a wheel chair!! Who knows maybe you will be dealt the same card!!
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@mysticalecstasy (472)
• Pakistan
11 Feb 11
My mother doesn't wish that for me!! Do you know why!! Because they are so unnatural not conforming to normal!! She usually adds the element of may God add benefit for you in them or mold them for my success!!
Well i guess we really need to start working on some kind of formula for staying young!! Your totally losing it!!
Say would you trade the human part for vampire!!!
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@jennyze (7028)
• Indonesia
9 Feb 11
Sometimes we just undervalue things because we do not know who made them. I am not the exception here. A neighbor compiled some cartoons out of the garbage and in a year, voila he rebuild his house completely to show that he has money, he bought a car, and he had more than 20 employees to collect cartoons from the garbage pool. I was kind of pitying him for he had to dig a garbage to live, but who is the fool?
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@topffer (42156)
• France
9 Feb 11
Hello Jennyze,
If he began without a car, he had to lot a work, and maybe it is the key in a work like this. I am living today in a town who had a lot of paper mills -- and now a cartoon industry, but it is another story -- and you need one near your home to be successful in such a business -- collecting cartons --. He had a lot of luck, or he thought a lot about it before beginning.
We have a proverb in my country that says : there is no stupid job, there are only stupid persons. What is good is that you can take it in good or bad part, depending of the success of a business . It seems that your neighbor is not stupid.
Have a good day.
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
10 Feb 11
hi toffer I am happy because I am content with what I have and I might not seem that way to someone looking on as I am stuck here in this dismal retirement home as we were and still are homeless. bu t I choose
to be happy as sad is not making me feel wonderful and happy is'
making me feel well: happy.I am not impressed with all that expensive'
art at all. I love to look at it in museums but not to buy even if I had the money which i do not. A l I want is to one day soon get back into an apartment and out of this retirement place.I can usually tell good art from junk when I see both.
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@topffer (42156)
• France
10 Feb 11
Hello Mrs Hatley,
You are better than me. I am not able to say what is good or junk in contemporary art. I don't know it enough to have an opinion on a painting or a sculpture.
It is a good philosophy to be happy with what we have, and I wish you to find soon the apartment of your dreams and leave this place for old people : you show us everyday that you are not old enough to be there !
@thesids (22180)
• Bhubaneswar, India
9 Feb 11
Hi topffer
The moment I start to think I will become negative and so I stopped thinking thing. There are always things happening differently with different people and that makes them special (or here rich)... I am happy I am rich the way I think, the way I live, the way I see things, the way I enjoy things... maybe these would have been better if I was monetarily rich... or may be it would have been worse... who knows!
I am happy the way it is today as it couldnt have been better than this today for sure!
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@topffer (42156)
• France
10 Feb 11
It is like everything : you can train your eye and your ear to be good. Collectors of paintings or engravings have tons of documentation. I am collecting book, and I can "hunt" a particular book during years and follow him from hands to hands since the day it was printed, until I will be able to get mine hands on it... When you have a true passion for something, you don't count the hours you spend to learn more about it and you wake up one morning with a very good "eye" or "ear".
@inu1711 (5285)
• Romania
9 Feb 11
Hello Topffer,
If you had known the correct price for those paintings back then, you wouldn't have been here now.
You are right, the price is set between the buyer and the seller. I felt it myself a few weeks back. I bought a piece of land for our dream house but the price I paid for it was so much smaller than the price on the market! I paid exactly how much the seller asked for but I was surprised to hear the real price on the market. It was eight times higher. In fact, the taxes I paid for when I signed the papers was a little higher than the price I paid for the land itself.
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@inu1711 (5285)
• Romania
10 Feb 11
I try to imagine you carrying the stolen door!
I think I did everything right with the land. To be sure everything is OK with the papers I waited for so long to sign them! The former owner needed 6 years to put them in order but now nobody can contest my right of property on that land.
I think I'll have to wait a little more until I lay the first stone of my dream house. I'd like to have all the money I need when I start the construction. I hate to borrow money from the bank and I hope we will be able to build the house without any credit if we wait a few more years.
Consider yourself invited to the house warming party , but note that this won't happen too soon.
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@purplealabaster (22091)
• United States
9 Feb 11
I love your stories, Top, and I am learning something every day from you! I agree that the monetary value that people place on items is not necessarily anywhere near the sentimental value that they are worth or even the amount that others would consider paying for these items. Usually monetary value is a great deal lower than sentimental value, but sometimes I do wonder why people would pay such I high price for some things. I checked out some of the contemporary paintings by Serge Poliakoff, and I suspect that I would have also hung them in the "toilet room" as you call it.
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@CaptAlbertWhisker (32748)
• Calgary, Alberta
9 Feb 11
Was he able to get benifits from his art and earned from it? was he respected and renowned at France already, I just kinda remember the tragic stories of some artist just like Vincent Van Gogh. I dont have paintings on my wall but I would like to have some of them. I usually prefer birds eye perspective paintings of cities, towns or forests
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