20-30 Years Ago Did You Ever Think Life Would Be Harder In The 2000s?
By Janey1966
@Janey1966 (24170)
Carlisle, England
February 13, 2011 7:32pm CST
The way we communicate has certainly changed..and the types of jobs have definitely changed because we don't make anything anymore. A lot of it is office-based.
However, is anything we do now any better than 20-30 years ago? I remember the jobs recession way back in 1982 and it was bad but nowhere near as bad as it is now, especially for the young. This time round it is affecting every generation that can work. There is no generation that is immune from job losses. Frightening thought.
There are people who say that we are actually going BACKWARDS as a society. The poor are getting poorer and the gap between them and the rich is widening. Someone on the Carlisle FC messageboard likened it to Victorian Britain. Basically, it amounts to the "haves" and "have nots."
Where did it all go wrong? I had so many high hopes for this century and I actually blame the failed fireworks display in London 1999 on New Year's Eve. The UK has been on a downward spiral ever since.
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@hofferp (4734)
• United States
14 Feb 11
I don't know that life is harder in the 2000s. In the early 80s, I was in my early 30s working my butt off. I thought I'd slow down in my 40's (the 90's), but that didn't happen and I didn't slow down in my 50's (2000's) either until I retired with over 30 years of service with one company. I remember having to do everything the hard way. I was one of the first in my office to pick up and regularly use a computer. The others in my office saw how fast I was getting things done and would try and get me to do their work, since I had the computer... B.S. with that... I talked my boss in to getting computers for everyone. I was also one of the first to use the internet (the one Al Gore invented ). I got our Commanding General to approve policy that all his managers would use the internet, e-mail, etc. "at least once a day" (that was the mid/late 80's). I can guarantee you that none of those managers believed that some day they'd be living and breathing on that computer... So, in a way, I think life is easier, because of technology, but now everyone expects more (improved performance), so you're still working your butt off...
I do agree the gap between the rich and the poor seems to be widening. Obviously, the policies of the past don't seem to be working, so something different is necessary.
@hofferp (4734)
• United States
15 Feb 11
Thanks, Janey. I'm not on the leading edge like I was when I was younger...now, I'm just trying to keep up with the new tecnologies, advances in methodologies, etc. Have you ever tried to contact some of your old co-workers? It might be kind of fun to see what they're up to?
@derek_a (10874)
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14 Feb 11
Hi Janey, I think you have a point here. Things have really more or less always been the same. I remember back in the 60s when my Dad said to me as a teenager at the time, that he felt sorry for the kids growing up in a country that had such financial problems! All I can say, that yes, it was a struggle, but if I think of my Dad's younger days, it was awful. They had no money to eat meat every day, and would just about manage to have a chicken dinner now and again. They didn't have radios and couldn't afford a car. When he joined the army, his wages were a pittance, and then during the war, my mother's house was bombed along with everything she owned. There was just her and my two eldest sister standing looking at a pile of rubble.
I try to look at the positive side and I think that is neceessary because otherwise seeing such blackness all the time, will become depressing. I have a computer.. unthinkable in my dad's days, even if they were around. We have a TV, always have food on the table. Don't have to get out of bed in the morning and shiver with the cold in the winter. There's are lots more things. But I think maybe we are conditioned by the media to worry about how bad things are going to be. They put on the news what people want to hear and there is a tendency (and it's in me sometimes too) to see the badness and ignore the blessings. And it's all really a state of mind.. I know we have problems here in the UK, but I think we always did, as far back as I can remember anyway... _Derek
@derek_a (10874)
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14 Feb 11
Thank you Janey for giving BR. It's very appreciated. My mother lived in a small 2 up and 2 down during the war in Swansea, Wales. The Germans always bombed it because the then town (now city) was a major port that exported coal, steel etc. all over the world. My mother's house was near the town centre that took a lot of bomb hits. She was lucky that she was out at the time or I wouldn't be writing this now. Later my grandmother's house was hit and she was in a shelter - one of those steal ones, but had to be dug out because all the bricks and stones landed on top of it. She survived but had terrible shrapnel wounds. Having heard the stories from my parents, I consider myself to have had a very fortunate life. _Derek
@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
14 Feb 11
Brilliant post, as always Derek. Thanks so much, I always love reading what you have to say.
My parents had terrible childhoods and Mum, in particular, vowed that, if she ever had kids she'd bring them up the best way she could. Yes, she was skint a lot of the time but we were never, ever without food on the table or clothes on our backs. She had to wash her only uniform for school because her Mum couldn't be bothered. I had 3 skirts, 2 blouses and 2 cardigans for school and I ALWAYS, without fail had clean uniforms every week to wear. No way would I go through what my Mum had to endure. This is why I think she's the best and mention her a lot on here as she's so darned cute!
You are right about the media too..all doom and gloom. I do try and stay positive and I've actually had a good day today, through one reason or another but it's wondering if there's ever going to be light at the end of that tunnel that niggles away in my brain, trying to darken my mood..but I won't let it. I'm stronger than that, as you know.
By the way, where was your mother's house situated? That must've been terrible, her house being bombed like that.
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@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
14 Feb 11
"Where did it all go wrong?"
I think that it all started to go wrong around the time of the agricultural and industrial revolutions. The industrial revolution in particular. The agricultural revolution just started the ball rolling and the industrial revolution just kicked it up another gear. This lead to the corporations gaining massive control as everyone left their self sufficient lives on the farms and moved to the cities to become slaves to the system.
To answer your question. 20-30 years ago, I had big ambitions as most teens/children do. I certainly thought that I would have a lot more than I do now and less debt, but I never imagined that I would have travelled like I have, so it is not all bad.
@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
14 Feb 11
The plough seemed like a good idea at the time, but it has actually been a major contributor to the loss of the worlds topsoil. This is a major problem throughout the world and one of the reasons why our food does not have the same level of nutrition that it did years ago. When the land is stripped of vegetation and dug up, it is then susceptible to erosion from water and being blown away by wind. The depth of the topsoil right around the earth is not very deep at all, really only a thin film that we cannot afford to keep losing.
This is even more extreme here in Australia than most countries. Plants can only get the amount of nutrients that are available in the soil. So whether we are eating plants or animals, we are not getting the same levels of minerals and vitamins that we should from the earth. The over use of chemicals and GMO foods have also contributed to this soil degradation.
@boilingblood (23)
• Pakistan
14 Feb 11
yeah we are all going backwards to the dark times...its all because we are spending so much on wars and weapons...if we invest 50 percent of the money we invest on weapons for removing poverty and improvement of standard of living the world will be like a paradise for us!! but these woodenheaded and cold hearted people will never understand it..!!
@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
14 Feb 11
That's a good point you make there. Governments can always find money for wars and weapons can't they? Get rid of all that and we become rich overnight! Simple!
Welcome to MyLot by the way.
@HarryS88 (32)
• Indonesia
14 Feb 11
I think twenty and thirty years ago were better than today. In my country, today is the hardest day to earn a living. Unemployed are almost everywhere. The haves-not are increasingly difficult to earn money. The factories are closed due to incapacity.
Twenty years ago we could gain something by spending 1 dollar only, but 1 dollar seems worthless today. It means the 2000s is much harder than before.
Hope this year will be better.
@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
14 Feb 11
Hello my friend and welcome to MyLot. You are right, money doesn't go anywhere now does it? Our £1 coin for example is practically worthless..doesn't buy much.
I hope this year will be better too.
@SViswan (12051)
• India
14 Feb 11
lol...I guess I shouldn't be responding to this discussion. 20-30 years back life was care-free and I couldn't think beyond a day....a week at the most! I got everything I asked for and had a stress-free life. Though I was aware of major events of the 80's and later, it didn't really affect me on the personal front and even when we kids had to move back to India with mom and dad stayed back to change jobs, it didn't have much of an impact on me. I didn't know why it was done and what was happening.
I'll come back to this discussion in another 20 years from now :P
@sudiptacallingu (10879)
• India
14 Feb 11
At least you have some solace in the failed fireworks... most of us don’t even know what hit us LOL and at least you understand that it’s the youth / middle aged who are most hit.
20 – 30 years back I was just a kid who saw both her parents working it’s not that they seemed stressed out most of the time.
Now as a working mom, I really really envy those years... mom never really appreciates and she thinks I’m just working too hard, but its not so. If I’m not ready to work this hard, there are plenty out there who’ll kick me out for lesser pay!
And then money’s just going down down down... no matter how much we’re earning, it seems we’re just not being to save enough for a rainy day.
@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
14 Feb 11
That is so true about not saving enough for a rainy day. Yes, I could've saved more than I did over the years but, even way back I wasn't earning enough to do that. I could save for bigger things rather than to get loans out but there was never anything left over for that "rainy day" which is retirement, of course, although I will have a pension, such as it is. I have no savings at all now and no prospect of having any. A friend of my Mum's who is in her 90s doesn't even have a bank account and hides money under her mattress! I wish I'd done that! Staying away from banks may be the way forward but not many employers pay cash in hand now, and that in itself is open to exploitation isn't it?
@barehugs (8973)
• Canada
14 Feb 11
When I was growing up, we had no hot water, no electricity, everything was done by hand, The farm was worked by horses, cows milked by hand, and in hot weather the milk soured before it arrived at the cheese factory.Do you really think society is going backwards? Have and have- nots you say? I don't know anyone who is without electric lights, do you?
@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
14 Feb 11
Yours is an extreme example, if you don't mind me saying so. I'm sorry that I am generalising but I'm on about the jobs situation in so-called developed nations where the 1980s were a lot different than they are now. I do realise that most people have electricity now..I'm not stupid.
@picjim (3002)
• India
14 Feb 11
I first entered the job market in the mid eighties.I managed to get a job within a year of my graduation.Compared to the jobs i'm now getting i was satisfied as regards the type of job and the work environment.I feel now the conditions of work and quality of work have now taken a turn for the worse.The difference in salary as you say between different classes of workers has also widened.
@hardworkinggurl (37063)
• United States
14 Feb 11
Oh my in 1982 I was still freshly in high school, and although I had a great many issues with regards to not having a family I certainly believed like would be sweeter.
Ugh, no it did not, perhaps a bit coating of sugar but the lemons keep counter-reacting my feelings.
You are right the poor are continuing to get poorer and the rich continue to offer the poorer many lucrative ways on how to assure of it and their way of getting richer.
@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
14 Feb 11
Exploitation you mean? Yes, that will be on the rise, unfortunately. What I'm hoping for is the Chinese and Indians demanding more cash. At the moment, those countries are exploited due to poor working conditions that no-one inspects, and even poorer wages. If there are uprisings (similar to Egypt and I hope to God something good comes out of those protests) then we may get somewhere. 2011 is supposed to be a good year for people power, according to astrologers anyway!
@rog0322 (2829)
• Cagayan De Oro, Philippines
14 Feb 11
Hi Janey,
You may be right. This may be the hi-tech society but things haven't changed for the greater majority of the citizens. It was just like then and now, unemployment, a few rich on the upper class and a lot of poor on the downside.
We are heading for the dumps if we go on like this. Years ago, I went on a basic survival existence, living from the land to cut down costs. Now its basically the same style, with modern amenities like paved roads, running water and electricity. Of course, it is still life on the line, about to go down at a moment's notice.
@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
14 Feb 11
I like your avatar..looks nice and sunny in your country.
You are right my friend. We're getting nowhere fast aren't we? I guess if one is in the hospitality trade or working for an awesome company like Virgin Atlantic I reckon jobs will be safe..unless there are too many of them in the first place...which does happen doesn't it, especially when times are good.
The other day I was annoyed because I was looking at the National Health Service website for admin jobs. Now, the NHS, like everyone else, is SUPPOSED to be cutting back on recruitment BUT the jobs I found were Consultants and Surgeons and the salaries were unreal! There were no admin jobs at all and I know for a fact that some offices are under pressure due to lack of staff. How come the NHS can find money to recruit surgeons and the like but no admin? Without the admin nothing gets done, it's a fact.
Oh well, at least Spring is round the corner!
@changjiangzhibin89 (16762)
• China
14 Feb 11
At present science and technology is forging rapidly ahead .That of 20-30 years ago cann't be mentioned in the same breath.However in some ways there is a reversal indeed.Since economic globalization,no country can escape from economical slump.Meanwhile state system and institutions will go through the rigorous trials.
@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
14 Feb 11
The ironic thing with all this progress, especially communication and anything to do with electronics and computers..it all takes power from coal or whatever..and all that is running out at an alarming rate. Even now, if the whole world turned off its computers for an hour (rather like that Earth Hour once a year..but that's with lighting, mainly) many systems would collapse. We're all taken it for granted yet for the starving of the world, nothing has ever changed for them, especially in places like Ethiopia. It's cruel of me to say this (and I apologise) but imagine if that country and others like them were to awaken from their slumber? There would be no land for the wild animals to graze on, lots more will become extinct, resources will become scarcer. When will it all end? This progress? I have no doubt that if the Moon or Mars ever becomes colonised we will ruin those environments as well. Man has an inbuilt instinct to destroy.