Social Security has done it again!
By mentalward
@mentalward (14690)
United States
February 16, 2011 8:45am CST
I just received my disability payment for this month. When I checked my bank, I saw that my check is now around $150.00 LESS than it has been since I started receiving it!!!
No, they haven't sent me anything explaining why. I am not working. I am not earning anywhere NEAR the amount they allow us to earn while on disability. I have had no other form of income and I have not elected to get Medicare part B, C or D. (Part A is free... or it was.)
Has this happened to anyone else on Social Security Disability or SSI? I'm going to be calling the local SS office here to see if there is a reasonable explanation but I can't imagine there is any... reasonable, that is.
They told us that there would be no cost-of-living increase because, as they say, the cost of living has not increased in the past year. (Yeah, sure.)
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25 responses
@ada8may21 (2405)
• Philippines
16 Feb 11
I am sorry to hear about that, I would also be disappointed if I was in your situation right now. To know that you depend on that monthly check you received then they got something out of it without even informing you. I guess you have the right to know it first before they would deduct such amount. In my case, I've never experience such things and never heard of anything to any of my friends about that. But I guess the best action that you need to do is to call them about your case.
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@mentalward (14690)
• United States
16 Feb 11
I just did try to call but got a recording saying that all lines are busy and to try my call again later. Normally, they give us the option of holding and waiting for the next available representative but, if they've reduced everyone's check then I imagine they are being flooded with calls right now.
This is our government, for sure. They take everything they want from us but we have to almost die before they give us a dime. I was fighting them for seven years before they finally approved me for disability and this is money that I earned while I was working, it's not like it's THEIR money from their own pockets!
I can't stand our government. I don't know too many people who love it... probably only those who work for it or who have never had to rely on them for anything.
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@ada8may21 (2405)
• Philippines
17 Feb 11
That is really a terrifying experience for the government system in your country. You really have to fight for it, and it not an easy fight. Just for you to get what you deserve. I just hope this will get better, if you cannot talk to anyone. You may also go to your nearest government office that handle such issues.
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
16 Feb 11
OMG. yes yesterday my son said something about Obama messing with social security again and he didnt finish telling me cause he got a call right then. i forgot it till just now. when i saw this, i about flipped and went to check right away. i got my full amount. so i dont know why they are messing with yours im so sorry. hes messing with peoples income that paid into SS and letting the illegals and people that never paid in get free everything.
@mentalward (14690)
• United States
17 Feb 11
Well, before Obama it was Bush, before Bush it was Clinton, before Clinton it was Bush Sr., etc., etc., so I wouldn't blame Obama. He's just a cog in the wheel of the destruction of the US.
I used to do legal transcription, mostly Workers' Comp cases. A lot of them were Mexicans and a lot of the Mexicans were illegal immigrants. Yet, they STILL got their day in court and some of them actually received Workers' Comp money! They should have been thrown right back into Mexico as soon as it was discovered that they were working here illegally!!! That made me so mad!!! Oh, and this was while Bush was in office so Obama could not be blamed for that.
Our entire government is screwed up so bad I doubt it will ever get straightened out. Maybe it just has to fall before it can be rebuilt but that's going to hurt everyone.
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
17 Feb 11
not to argue but right now our state of arizona is making a stand against illegals and its been said we could be sued over it. plus Obama seems to think we are doing wrong??
@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
16 Feb 11
I think we'd all better get used to living on less. Even though they say that they won't or haven't changed SS I believe they'll be doing it in little ways. I'm not sure what they would have done with yours but once they reduce something it usually stays that way. We can never get rid of a tax but if they cut benefits it never comes back.
I hope it's a mistake that you can get corrected. $150 isn't a lot to those shameless politicians but it can mean choosing between food and medicine for the average person.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
16 Feb 11
Isn't that typical of men? They don't stop to think about what happens to others and they probably wouldn't care anyway!!
Hang in there. Take over making the payments yourself, don't trust him to do it. If you want something done right you have to do it yourself.
I hate the IRS. I think everybody does. I don't understand why people won't demand the Fair Tax or something like that, they are like sheep meekly trotting along to the slaughterhouse.
Enjoy the fresh air and calm down. Don't give your husband the power to make you angry or feel badly. Remember, you are in charge of yourself, not him!
@mentalward (14690)
• United States
16 Feb 11
I called Social Security. It took awhile to get through so I thought that maybe this was a bigger problem than I had thought but it turns out that they were just being THEM, inefficient, incompetent, etc.
What they told me, when I finally got through, was that, "This is a treasury issue. They are mailing you a letter explaining everything."
Oh, wonderful. They're sending a letter AFTER the fact! Well, that's our government for ya.
Turns out they are screwing me because my husband, once again, has screwed me. He avoided calling IRS about the taxes we owe (from my receiving seven years worth of benefits in one chunk [even though they never added a PENNY of interest the entire time they were holding MY money] and also because of the profit he made from the sale of his house AND his "forgetting" to file income taxes). He told me he was going to call them to arrange payments A YEAR AGO! He never did so, of course, IRS thinks we're avoiding them and trying to get away with something.
So, they're taking money they KNOW they can get, my disability money. My husband did call them about a month ago and made arrangements to pay a certain amount each month. They agreed to that, at least that's what they said. I guess it just wasn't enough for them, though, and decided to screw me, too.
I'm so fed up with my husband!!! He's been a miserable ogre since his surgery. Then, last night, he decided he was cold so, instead of putting another blanket on himself or adding another layer of clothing, he turned up the heat to 75 degrees!!!
I woke up sweating and could almost not breathe, it was so hot! I turned it down to where it has been all winter, 72 degrees, and I also opened a window. I told him to put more on if he was so cold because the temperature in the house has been 72 degrees all winter and he's never complained about it before.
Of course, now he's not talking to me. What he doesn't know is that suits me just fine.
Yeah, if I leave him now, he'll probably just stop paying IRS and they'll end up taking every penny of my check since it's a sure thing.
Our government won't give US a penny in penalty or interest but they start tacking it on the second you owe them anything.
So, I'm rather pi$$ed at our government and pi$$ed at my husband right now. I think I'll get outside for awhile and do some gardening.
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@mentalward (14690)
• United States
16 Feb 11
Oh, I forgot, something you said really rang a bell. "If they cut benefits it never comes back." Well, when I first started getting disability, they took money out of my check for Medicare Part B for four months, even though I had told them specifically that I did not want Medicare Part B. I was told that I would get reimbursed for those four months (nearly $400.00) but I have yet to see a penny of it.
If I complain or raise a ruckus, they'll most likely stop my benefits or make my life so miserable I won't want disability anymore. It's no better than communism, except we're lied to. Communists KNOW what they're not going to get. We have to find out only when we need something or expect what we've already paid for.
I'm so angry right now!!!
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@danishcanadian (28955)
• Canada
17 Feb 11
My husband collects Social Security, and disability payments, and as yet, we haven't noticed any decrease. However, he's going to get an increase of about $500 next month, because they FINALLY realized that his son is in his 20s, and in the friggen MARINES, therefore too old for his mother to be collecting child support on him.
@mentalward (14690)
• United States
17 Feb 11
Oh, that's wonderful news!!! I mean, it figures that the government took it's time about making the adjustment but I'm happy to hear that they've realized the mistake and are correcting their error. Awesome!!!
@mssnow (9484)
• United States
17 Feb 11
Sorry to hear about your troubles. From what I hear Social security is going down hill fast and by the time I retire I will probably not be able to count on them to help me out. So I would say in a way you are lucky to get what you do from them. Hopefully they will get it fixed soon for you. I know how frustrating it is to expect money and not get it.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
17 Feb 11
You're not the only one going through a hassle. Once again I'm being "reviewed" to see if I'm still eligible for my benefits...Like WHAT? Of course I am.
I went through this crap in November 2009 when I got a letter saying they needed to hear from me to see if I was still eligible (for crying out loud been getting benefits since 1996). Well I couldn't personally go to the office so began making phone calls to the caseworker at the office...all I succeeded in doing was leaving messages and I called on an almost daily basis..nada, nothing. Then I sent in documentation to prove my case, I sent it Priority/Certified/Return Receipt so I was able to track when they got it...nada, nothing, for all I know it's STILL sitting on someone's desk. Then in January 2010 got a duplicate letter of the first one, saying we need to hear from you. WHHHHHHHHAAAAAATTTTT? What happened to all my phone calls and the messages I left, my documentation--so again was calling. I even called the 800 number and at least I got someone to talk to and even she couldn't understand why no one was getting back to me. Then crap the fan when I got another letter about two weeks later saying "Since we haven't heard from you we are discontinuing your benefits" Urgh--I called that representative of my Congressman and she was able to arrange a phone interview with the supervisor at the SSA office--I answered a zillion questions, many of them just plain dumb--like was I ever in prison? Sheesh they have all their data on me so they would know I haven't.
Anyway I'm still going through this crap/nightmare all over again--I've gotten in contact with that representative again but STILL waiting.
Oh yeah, don't you just love it that there hasn't been a cost of living increase on our benefits since some genius deemed no cost of living occurred..by whose standards?
@mentalward (14690)
• United States
17 Feb 11
I am really close to actually despising our government. They don't care about anyone who doesn't work for the government. Why should they? After all, us "commoners" just pay their salaries with our tax dollars.
They took out the premium for Medicare Part B for four months once I finally started getting the checks, even though I told them I did NOT want Part B. It took them four months to FINALLY stop taking that out of my checks and said that I would receive a check for those payments, almost $400.00.
I have yet to see a penny of that and I'm sure that if I complain about it, they'll give me a hard time like pulling me in for a re-evaluation, too.
They made my sister get evaluated every year and she had muscular dystrophy for crying out loud! I guess they had to pull her in every year because, well, they've witnessed so many medical "miracles" in their careers. Yeah, sure.
They do it because they are pompous a$$es, for the most part. They act like they are better than everyone, yet their official titles are all "civil SERVANTS". Maybe they need to be reminded of that occasionally but, we need to remind them anonymously, otherwise they'd just cause us more grief.
Yeah, I do despise our government.
Oh, I learned that this newest issue is from the Treasury Dept. We owe income taxes because my husband never did call them to make payment arrangements. He was supposed to do that around a year ago but conveniently "forgot". I'm sure IRS assumed that we were ignoring them, so they came after the only "sure" source of income we have, my disability payments.
I hope karma bites them all in the butt big-time one day. I hope they need disability or even welfare some day and they have as hard a time as they've given people like you and me. I don't normally wish anything bad on anyone but I really can't stand government workers... at least not the majority.
I hope your issue gets resolved soon and with much less anxiety than they caused you last time. Ooooooooooohhh they make me so MAD!!!
@mentalward (14690)
• United States
17 Feb 11
Oh, I almost forgot. I got that letter, too, telling us that there has been no cost of living increase in the past year. Sure, right. I bet whoever actually mailed those letters complains all the time about the rise in the cost of living. They don't care about us. After all, we're just numbers to them, file folders. We're not human.
@neildc (17239)
• Lapu-Lapu City, Philippines
16 Feb 11
i know how hard you fight for this disability and we were so happy when you finally get it after 7 years. but i also feel bad that this is happening to you now. i now you have no other source right now and you depend on this monthly payment to get in full. but how come they are doing this to you.
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@wongchoiyee (7413)
• Malaysia
17 Feb 11
Can I know how long you will be receiving this social security money? Are they paying even after you are 55 years old?
@mentalward (14690)
• United States
17 Feb 11
I will be receiving it (hopefully) until I am no longer disabled or until I die. I have fibromyalgia along with some other disabling health problems and, so far, there is no cure for anything I have. The best that can be done is to control the symptoms a little.
When I reach 65, I should be able to get retiree benefits along with disability benefits because I worked and paid Social Security taxes from the age of 14 until I could no longer work, around the age of 48 and, still, I did try to work after that in part-time jobs but, with the way my symptoms are, changing from day-to-day, I could not even work part-time.
It is bad enough that, for the past three years, our government has concluded that there has been no increase in the cost of living. Of course, THEY are getting raises all the time but those of us who cannot work, even though we don't get enough to live on to begin with, they are making sure that we get less and less every year because the cost of living IS going up all the time.
@commanderxo (1494)
• Canada
17 Feb 11
Hi babe.
I'm very sorry to hear that you're having so much trouble. Like you, I've been battling my own government up here too for the last six years, re: receiving a disability pension. Apparently, every time I apply (and RE-apply!) I've been turned down. According to "them", it is in their opinion, that I do not fall within the guidelines of what they consider a disabled person to be...which I can appeal...should I want to basically drag out the process...until I finally give up trying. This IS their ploy, and as I happened to find out only recently, they do this to EVERY person who applies. Want to know HOW I found out? It's written in their regulations...a sort of "constitution", if you will. It says that every person who applies for the Ontario Disability Support Program (or ODSP as it's better known), that it is their DUTY to the taxpayers of Ontario (Canada for those who are unaware), to DENY applications REGARDLESS of doctors' evidence, since them deem them not to know the legalities of how it all works. Therefore, it is up to the individual to PROVE to the contrary.
Update:
Last April (2010) I once again applied under the direction of my Social Assistance representative AND my doctor. After being denied twice, again, I under the rules can ask for an impartial tribunal to review my case, whereupon if I can further produce evidence, they have the FINAL right to either grant or deny any monies.
My case will be heard this coming April 14th at 9:00AM. This will be THE final decision...FOREVER! If I do "win", monies will be received retroactive to the date when I applied last year...NOT counting back for all those times I applied over the last six years. Those don't matter; just this latest one. AND IF anything else arises regarding my health while I'm waiting to be heard, that too doesn't count. They will only consider what state my health was in at the time of filing, being April 2010.
I get your anger and frustration, and can only wish you well.
Taking on a government as you know, has never been easy.
Here's to our equal successes.
Cheers;
cdrxo
@mentalward (14690)
• United States
17 Feb 11
Read the last paragraph if nothing else.
I found out that the money was taken by the Treasury Dept. because they felt like it. We owe taxes. My husband was supposed to call IRS a year ago to make payment arrangements. Because he didn't (for whatever reason), IRS assumed we were ignoring them and put a lien on our house and froze our bank accounts. That made my husband FINALLY call them and he made arrangements to pay $400/month until it's paid off. Apparently, IRS felt that wasn't enough and, without bothering to tell me, they decided to take even more than what was agreed on. At least our bank accounts have been released by IRS but I still despise them. I'm going to try to give our government the least amount of tax dollars possible by growing even more food this year so I will cut way down on food spending, plus I'm going to look into adding more solar panels to what I have already. The hope is that, one day, I won't have to pay a penny for electricity because what I pay the electric company, they pay taxes on to the government. I'd like to eliminate MY tax dollars from the scenario, as much as possible. Oh, I'm also driving less, only going out about once a week now so I buy less gas. (I need a horse and wagon.)
Your government sounds exactly like ours. Well, Social Security WILL approve someone if they've lost both arms and legs or at least half their brain in an accident or shooting AND show that they can't function.
You know what put me over the "winning" edge? my level of depression. Not the depression itself but how depressed I was. When I had my last hearing before a judge, he sent me to a psychiatrist for a re-evaluation. (I had already been to one who said I was fine to work.) This psychiatrist was great because he asked the right questions... or maybe it was because I got help from a fellow mylotter about what to do and what not to do. She said "don't cry". Well, I TRIED not to cry but when the doctor was asking me to describe what I can and cannot do and how it makes me feel, it was all too much for me and I started crying. BUT, I immediately apologized for crying. I said, "I'm sorry, I didn't want to do this" (meaning cry). I honestly think that is what convinced this doctor that I was totally honest about being extremely depressed.
Now, here's the last paragraph. I have a very good feeling about your hearing on April 14th. That is my birthday, you know. I like to think it was a good day, is a good day. Never mind that the Titanic hit the iceburg on that date or that Abraham Lincoln was shot on that date. You know, my hearing was on FRIDAY THE 13TH and I WON!!! Your hearing on April 14th will be in your favor. I just know it! Dates that have a bad rap can be extremely good. I know!
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@commanderxo (1494)
• Canada
18 Feb 11
Thank you for that gracious, "pat on the back".
You have no idea how good it is to hear SOMEBODY say that to me.
Check this out.
Section 13 of ODSP's Act
13. Subsection 4(1) of the ODSPA defines a person with a disability as follows:
4. (1) A person is a person with a disability...if,
(a) the person has a substantial physical or mental impairment that is continuous or recurrent and expected to last one year or more;
(b) the direct and cumulative effect of the impairment on the person's ability to attend to his or her personal care, function in the community and function in a workplace, results in a substantial restriction in one or more of these activities of daily living; and
(c) the impairment and it's likely duration and the restriction in the person's activities of daily living have been verified by a person with the prescribed qualifications.
Now I ask you...
First of all, who isn't MORE qualified than your doctor?
I've have COPD, DDD, a torn left rotator cuff, and occasional blackouts with loss of memory since 2003. My doctor INSISTS I DO NOT return to work. I take daily medications for all of the above, and there is NO cure for any of them. Each day they will, and do, get progressively worse.
Tell me...do I not fit the criteria described in the Act? Yet I'm constantly being denied, and have been since 2003. Huh????
However, I DO wish you all the best. I will use your strength to guide me.
Oh and...Happy Birthday, in case I forget.
And again..thank you for your support.
Be good. Be safe.
Cheers luv;
cdrxo
@LadyMarissa (12148)
• United States
16 Feb 11
http://ssa.gov
OMG Marty!!! I think you can go to this link & sign up to see your information online. They should explain there what deductions have been made. Even if you can't see your information today, it is worth signing up for just in case you need it in the future!!! I DESPISE dealing with them, but you really should check with them right away!!!!
@mentalward (14690)
• United States
17 Feb 11
Thank you, vandana. I agree that healthy people who are defrauding the Social Security system because they are just plain lazy should be made to pay back every single penny they've received if they are ever caught. I just hope they are caught.
I know there are a lot of people out there pretending to be disabled but, luckily for them, I do not know any of them. If I did, I would definitely report them, even if they were very good friends of mine because, if I found out they were defrauding the government, they would no longer be a friend of mine.
I would give anything to be able to work again full-time. The best I can do is to find odd jobs proofreading here and there. I am allowed to earn up to a certain amount while on disability but I couldn't earn anywhere near that amount. I just went outside because it is absolutely gorgeous outside today (74F degrees) and did some trimming of some of my trees and bushes. I was outside about 20-30 minutes and could hardly stand up anymore. Right now, I hurt so much I won't be able to do anything for the next two days because of what I just did outside. Yeah, I'd give anything to be healthy again!
@KrauseHome (36447)
• United States
21 Mar 11
Well I think personally they do not ever consider people who are considered Disabled as ever needing income. They feel most people could live with someone, or should be able to work no matter what the situation. I know that my Health issues are not a laughing matter either, but due to being married, etc. they continued to say I was not elidigible unless I claimed severe depression still, and would take medications for it, or was unable to almost not be able to walk. So it can be a irritating process, and hope there was an explanation for your situation for sure.
@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
23 Feb 11
Hi Marti I hope that you have got this sorted out in the meantime, that is disgusting and I just do not know how they get away with it, here they have to inform us of everything whether the money goes up or down
How can they say the cost of living has not gone up, it has gone up every where including here in the UK
I really hope that it is all sorted for you now
@CatsandDogs (13963)
• United States
23 Feb 11
Hey Martie, I'm a wee bit late in responding but here I am anyways. lol Is it because of having to pay for medicare? Which I find to be really stupid because disability is just that, disability. They give it to you and then take it away with having to pay for medical insurance. What if someone didn't make that much? I'm sure they'd still take what ever the amount is out of their check. Low life scum bags! ARG!!
@moonlitmagikchild (22181)
• United States
23 Feb 11
wtf! mine went up after the first of the year.. i heard before 2011 it was the same then in jan it went up 15 bucks or so.. is it from your plan d? thats what made mine go down in 2010
@leenie50 (3992)
• United States
16 Feb 11
Hey Marty,
They already took money away from me. My deduction is just a little less than yours. That is probably because you get more. And the letter comes about a week later. They say it's the premium. Like I can afford to live on what I was getting before. I think they are trying to eliminate everyone our age and older. They really hurt me financially. Good luck with the SS office.
Love Ya
Leenie
@mentalward (14690)
• United States
16 Feb 11
Hi Leenie. I don't have a lot of time right now because my husband is expecting a physical therapist any minute now but I wanted to say that this is not a premium for anything since I don't get anything but Part A from Medicare and that is supposed to be free.
I found out that it's from the IRS. We owe them taxes, mostly thanks to my husband's lack of doing anything about what we have owed and his "forgetting" to make payment arrangements with them. Basically, he was ignoring their letters. So, we have a lien on our house right now and he has made arrangements to pay $400 a month on these taxes until they're paid off. Of course, they didn't mention ANYTHING about deducting this money from my disability checks.
They don't give you enough to live on in the first place, then tax you on what is already not enough, simply because you're married to a man who is working. It wouldn't matter what he makes, either. I have to pay taxes on every penny they give me. Of course, they didn't give ME a penny in penalties or interest when they were holding all that money for seven years but they sure do add it when you owe them!
I despise our government and will do everything I can to cut down on every single tax penny I give to them. We're only paying their salaries, not helping the government help us because they couldn't care less about us.
Gotta run now, I hear a car.
Take care, Leenie!
Love ya, too!
Marti