Bongbong Marcos said his father would have turned PHL into another Singapore.
By adnileb
@adnileb (5276)
Philippines
February 23, 2011 7:38am CST
I don't know much about the previous Philippine presidents. I just learned them in History class and nothing else. Now, as I browse the news from the internet, I read the one that says Marcos would have turned the Philippines into another Singapore. This was contradicted by Mr. President Noynoy that Marcos had the chance to uplift the country. What is your opinion regarding Bongbong's statement?
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14 responses
@rsa101 (38166)
• Philippines
24 Feb 11
As far as I recollected it under Marcos Regime our place was really in a bad shape. Corruption was so rampant that it is part of the daily lives of almost all politicians who were loyal to him. I think that was the situation before. I do not think if we allowed him for some more years it could have deteriorated further and we are again under military control once again. Our insurgency was at its height back then. So I really could not imagine our country could have been like Singapore.
But I could see the stark difference of our province now than before. I can literally see her growing and developing already and I can see that it is becoming popular tourist destination already. Under Marcos rule my province was not even recognized as that back then. We were just a province and nothing else.
@rsa101 (38166)
• Philippines
25 Feb 11
I was still young back then that is why the impact of it was not that strong is I was an adult back then I would have been lured to join the insurgents which was at their strongest during that time. I know some of the teens and young adults who hated the administration had turned to the mountains to hide and rebel.
Now, I understand the impact but all of it is in the past indeed. We still see the corruption but it is now exposed unlike before where it is an acceptable norms in the government. Now sometimes we could see the evil happening and when we could there is a chance to change the system already.
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@adnileb (5276)
• Philippines
24 Feb 11
I guess what happened to your province also happened in other provinces. Before they were just jungles and the people act as animals afraid of the lion. Tortured and killed. I can't imagine it would happen again at this time. Maybe they will ban myLotting if that is still happening. =(
I think they don't want happiness everywhere that's why they kill people.
Hope there will be no more kind of leadership that's rude.
Have a nice day rsa!
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@adnileb (5276)
• Philippines
25 Feb 11
There's always a chance but the problem is, they always stop the cure by killing. When someone already know there bad side, the tendency is they will torture the person or worst, they will kill them. That's why we can't get any better no matter how many times we find solutions if the system ignores it, there's no real cure.
=(
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@visavis (5934)
• Philippines
23 Feb 11
Politically may be it is imposible because we know his family background and his present political level. But who knows, we cannot judge him or whoever from their words only. what if will happened - is there any possibility? see you around
@adnileb (5276)
• Philippines
24 Feb 11
Well, that was a long time ago. And until now, they're assuming of what could happen if Marcos continued his leadership. But we really can never tell. I guess they should stop talking about the past, it's nearly four decades and they couldn't forget everything. In order for this country to move on, each of them should forget the past. They're fathers are both ex-presidents so we can't resolve issues by mentioning their weaknesses, hence they should help each other for the better Philippines.
Have a nice day!
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@ybong007 (6643)
• Philippines
24 Feb 11
If that statement came from the opposition or someone else other than him, his sisters or even his mother then I believe him. I don't take is against him since he could be speaking as a son and a son has to respect his parents no matter what. But we just have to read his statement, Bongbong said he's father COULD have turned us into another singapore, maybe there's truth to that since i believe that all politicians has the right intentions when they join the politics but as they say power corrupts and the reality is Marcos failed to turn us into another singapore in the twenty years that he was president. Yes, he tried but due to his thirst to remain in power he failed.
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@ybong007 (6643)
• Philippines
25 Feb 11
The main problem is the people, we are so used to looking up to those who, in the first place, are suppose to be working for us. That's the main reason why they are called public servants. It's a fact that we have a less than perfect system but instead of making it better, those who are in the best position to make the necessary amendments are the ones who find loopholes to go around it for their own good.
@adnileb (5276)
• Philippines
24 Feb 11
The statement came from Bongbong himself. =)
That's true that people change because of power and wealth. And a good leader shouldn't be looking by how much money he/she can get by governing his/her people or by how powerful he/she can be. But that's what happening ALWAYS, no matter who our leader is. Can't we find a true leader? The honest and responsible one. Hope someday he/she will come to be our leader. Or I guess I'm wishing too much because it can't really happen. LOL...
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@ada8may21 (2405)
• Philippines
23 Feb 11
Well Bongbong Marcos statement its just an burst of a child. Bragging what his father have done where in fact, he may have done good things, But if you are going to sum it up he has a lot of bad things that would turn the investors stay away from our country. I really disagree with him when I've heard it in the news. He is just saying that because he is the son of Marcos. But if you are going to ask those who are not related to Marcoses I dont think so they would agree to Bongbong Marcos statement.
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@ada8may21 (2405)
• Philippines
23 Feb 11
You bet, adnileb that Philippines would not improve if we keep on looking for the past and try resolving the past issues. If everyone wants a new Philippines which is I want also. We need to plan ahead and look for tomorrow instead of bragging what is past and past will remain past and it will not do any good for our future.
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@greenpeas (998)
• Philippines
23 Feb 11
That is like one of the funniest jokes I heard from Bongbong Marcos.
What? He is serious? Really?
Ferdinand Marcos is one single reason why our country almost collapsed economically. If People Power did not removed this stubborn yet ailing dictator, our country will turn into an oligarchy-like rule, with Imelda taking over once Marcos succumbed to his kidney ailment. Of course the ruthless Gen. Fabian Ver will be the enforcer of all summary executions and tortures. The entire RAM group would have been annihilated, so does the entire opposition. Martial Law would have ben re-imposed and we will back to the 1972 scenario where anybody who even dares whisper against Marcos will be arrested.
Ferdinand Marcos plundered our nation dry, and turned a once # 1 Asian country in terms of economy into a basketcase. Thousands of people were summarily arrested, tortured and killed. Make no mistake. History revisionists will try to say otherwise, but the truth remains.
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@zeciram (161)
• Philippines
24 Feb 11
In my opinion, with the intelligence and skills possessed by former Pres. Ferdinand Marcos, I believe that he could have indeed transformed his country into another Singapore. After all, most of the structures and improvements which were constructed during his time are still existing and operational up to the present.
I can only assess him by his achievements since I was just a child back then. I did not experienced first hand or at least I am not aware of the real situation of the country during his time. From what I've heard, he was a victim of a power hungry woman.
@adnileb (5276)
• Philippines
24 Feb 11
Actually zeciram, after reading all the 10 posts, I'm now confused! LOL...
I'm having confusion if Marcos was really a bad guy or not. Whew! I'm also having second thoughts on what to comment. Hahahaha!
You mean Ferdinand Marcos was just a victim of Imelda?
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@chiyosan (30183)
• Philippines
23 Feb 11
I thonk our country was richer back then... Filipinos were never generalised as maids during marcos' time. Maybe people would bombard me with hate messages or contradictions... But i guess opinions are free to be voiced out here.
Marcos did a lot of things fo the country... Id say there arent any difference now with before... Now all public officials are taking a piece of the country. All and no one is exempted in being a corrupt official.
I hope noy will just stop answering all comments he hears... And just start working to put this country in a better position.
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@adnileb (5276)
• Philippines
23 Feb 11
Yes, I agree with you, he should just start working at his best for the country. I think this applies to all politicians, they should not waste their time on nonsense things. Recalling the past doesn't seem to help for it will only make the misunderstandings alive again. We should make this country corrupt-free and the officials should be the one stopping it and not creating it. The Filipinos are the ones who suffer and every image of us reflects the very image of the country. Hope they settle everything as soon as possible.
Thanks for your opinion chiyosan!
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@jamed28 (1903)
• Philippines
25 Feb 11
I'd been trying to search the Internet on what were the Forex rates in 1965 when Ferdinand Marcos was elected as president of the Philippines. And I'd seen it was USD1.00 = PhP3.9092 in 1965. Marcos was out thrown in 1986 and the Forex rate at that time was USD1.00 = PhP20.3698. Well I guess it only shows that the Philippine economy gone down so deep.
Well it is for you do say who to blame.. I'll just provide you with data..
Here are the list of Philippine Presidents and Forex Rates (for USD 1.00 versus Philippine peso) in these years:
Elpidio Quirino: 1948(2.00) - 1953(2.00)
Ramon Magsaysay: 1953(2.00) - 1957(2.00)
Carlos Garcia: 1957(2.00) - 1961(2.020)
Diosdado Macapagal: 1961(2.020) - 1965(3.9092)
Ferdinand Marcos: 1965(3.9092) - 1986(20.3698)
Corazon Aquino: 1986(20.3698) - 1992(25.4926)
Fidel Ramos: 1992(25.4926) - 1998(40.8008)
Joseph Estrada: 1998(40.8008) - 2001(50.9544)
Gloria Macapagal Arroyo: 2001(50.9544) - 2010(46.2642)
Benigno Aquino III: 2010(46.2642) - present( as of February 24, 2011: 43.82)
@luram626 (30)
• Philippines
26 Feb 11
Well as far as I know the late President Marcos had a great plan for the Philippines, he made the Philippines No. 1 richest country in Asia, he was able to build infrastructures we are still enjoying today, corruptions were very minimal, "its true that many bad things happened during his administrations because he knows that Filipinos are very hard headed people and he just want them to be disciplined(that's what my father said)" His administration spiral out of control when his wife ordered to kill the Senator... and that is why I believe he was just a victim. Now speaking of Corruption in our nation, after the Marcos's administration it seems starting from the Barangay SK Chairman to Governor to Congress and up... corruption is rampant and we are now one of the poorest country in Asia. i believe if Marcos would have been able to control/discipline his wife, Philippines would have been another Singapore.
@adnileb (5276)
• Philippines
28 Feb 11
Super bad wife.. tsk.. tsk...
Maybe what you said was made if only Marcos had her wife disciplined. Sometimes when a person gains power and money, there's a big chance of being evil. True that money is the root of all evils. But then, past is past. We have to move on. I wish we could move on even though slowly, at least surely. =)
@SIMPLYD (90721)
• Philippines
24 Feb 11
I couldn't help myself from getting angry with Bongbong when he said that. How dare he forget the atrocities his father brought when he declared martial Law ! How could he make Philippines another Singapore when he and all his cohorts keeps getting the people's money for themselves!
@jeanneyvonne (5501)
• Philippines
24 Feb 11
Like you, I have only a vague idea of what transpired in the martial law era since it happened prior to my birth. Most of my information from that period are from media - printed or electronic. Though the portrayal of media can be commented as biased in its treatment of that time, I believe that some of those biases have concrete roots.
Regarding the statement of Bongbong Marcos, I think he thinks too highly of his father and he does not reflect on what the people felt during that time. Sure, the Philippines might have been another Singapore. However, the characteristics of the people does not exactly match on that type of government. There might be discipline, order and financial growth but it will drain the Filipino spirit and essence that unique to our nation.
I cannot comment on the late President's capabilities; I did hear that he was a brilliant statesman. However, that brilliance is wasted and blackened by the rule and the events that occurred during his time in office. His intentions might be good and for the benefit of the people but his actions spoke others. His actions and the people's reaction to it are the ones that the people cannot forget no matter how forgiving and kind our people are.
@adnileb (5276)
• Philippines
24 Feb 11
I also heard he was brilliant. Actually, I went to his hometown and get to see his body preserved. I also saw the pictures of some events, all of which came Imelda's face. Seldom I see Ferdinand's appearance maybe because she's the first lady. The biggest picture that was on the wall was when he ranked 1st in Bar exam as a lawyer. No wonder he became a bad leader. He patronized his power so much. That's why our country became worst from being a topnotcher in terms of economy status.
@jhaidro (877)
• Philippines
23 Feb 11
The only thing that I know about the late President Marcos is that he is a dictator. Most of the people during his time went against him because of the way he runs the country so I think that it is unlikely that the Philippines will have a lot of improvement under his governance.
I think that whoever is going to be the president, given little support by the people, this country will go nowhere. Problems of the country is a normal thing. I think that instead of going outside and having a protest, why don't we just have a meeting with the president's representatives and talk about the things that may be done for the solution of the problem.
It is not always about the man on top, it also has so much to do with the people.
@adnileb (5276)
• Philippines
24 Feb 11
You're right! It's always about the people. Why they can't understand that? They always come up with a protest which definitely ends to nonsense. We're one nation, why protest? Why can't we have a president we really like? I haven't seen any president that has no protest. We, the people should support each other so we can have one thinking. The protesters should talk to the presidents in a calm manner.
PNoy's regime just started and no sign of protest yet. I hope there will be no more.
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@adnileb (5276)
• Philippines
25 Feb 11
I'm really confused now on the real problem.. LOL
Is it the leader or the people who chose the leader?
They say prevention is better than cure. We can prevent this in the first place by choosing the right leader. But no matter how well we choose, if power and wealth surrounds the leader, everything changes. And that's super bad for our country.
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@murkie (1103)
• Philippines
24 Feb 11
probably true. or the philippines might have been even better than singapore or any other asian nation. i vaguely remember a discusssion on tv that the phil may have been a superpower had marcos' plans been materialized. sadly though that he was overcome by his ambitious cabinet and the meddling church.
practically speaking, infrastructure was one of his priorities. major roads, bridges and others were constructed during his time. i think even those being constructed today were some of his long term plans (but claimed by whoever is seated). public works and the military were two of the gov't departments with the most alloted budget.
there was also a rumor that the president of china during that time was quoted as saying that beijing be developed like manila.
@jamed28 (1903)
• Philippines
25 Feb 11
Hahahahaha..
Well Singapore indeed rose to prosperity because of their leader Lee Kuan Yew. An Marcos is no Lee Kuan Yew. Lee Kuan Yew was never convicted of any corruptions in his government. Although he stayed too long as the prime minister of Singapore but he stayed there because the people of Singapore wanted him to stay in power unlike our great Ferdinand Marcos who have his way of staying in power even the Filipinos didn't want him in Malacanang anymore.
In 1965, when Marcos became a president of the Philippines, USD1.00 was PhP3.9092 and SgD3.0612.
When Marcos flew to Hawaii in 1986, USD1.00 was PhP20.3698 and SgD2.1771
by the way.. "SgD" is Singaporean Dollar.
Well, as you can see, we are already broke when Marcos was out-thrown in 1986 and Singapore is already prospering.
@fallenprince (37)
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25 Feb 11
i think Marcos would have done it...base on his projects such as the nuclear power plant, we could have enjoyed cheap electricity,also we are 20 years ahead of china in marcos time, but now look at china they are one of the major countries in the world, if you ask those who lived in marcos's time they would prefer that time than now...i wish that there would be someone who will have the same vision as marcos.
@jamed28 (1903)
• Philippines
25 Feb 11
Excuse me. The Bataan Nuclear power plant was never in operational. It was one of the largest depth of this country and I think we owed it and we are still paying for it to White Westing House. And we even spend millions of dollar yearly for the maintenance of this plant just to avoid nuclear leak.
@murkie (1103)
• Philippines
25 Feb 11
You're excused. But do know the reason why the bataan nuclear power plant was never operational?
this power plant is supposed to be a response by marcos in the ongoing oil embargo in middle east. marcos thought nuclear power could be a substitute for oil to address the country's energy demand.
construction began in 1976, but was suspended just before its completion due to whatever protests the opposition could think of.
when marcos was succeeded by cory, the construction was totally abandoned, due of course to public outcry (due mainly to the chernobyll explosion). that was the time when power outages occur almost everyday.
now, about 25 years later, the philippine government is still paying for something that was never really used. had the nuclear power plant been operational, we might have had a decreased dependence to oil imports, the energy demand would have been more satisfied, and energy just might have been stabilized.
and it was westinghouse, not white-westinghouse.