Do You Believe The Third Temple Will Be Built In Our Life-Time?
@FRANCISCOANDLEE (750)
United States
February 24, 2011 8:16pm CST
By accident I stumbled upon an article discussing the events taking place in Jerusalem where the preparations are taking place to build the new Temple, training of the priests..the new Sanhedrin, and building materials have already been made.
www.templeinstitute.org
I don't know just what to make of it. Opening a discussion to help with some more insight.
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@flowerchilde (12529)
• United States
2 Mar 11
Some dream of doing it but I don't think they will, because the Mosque is over the spot and I don't think it's going anywhere as world sentiment is usually against Israel. Bible prophecy students seem to think it will be built because of the prophecy of Daniel which says the "daily sacrifice" or "place of" "will be taken away". This leads them to think that the Temple and temple sacrifices will be re-instituted, but logic suggests to me it never will, as that age is over and the U.N. and others would go ballistic over sacrifices. I think "Sacrifices" also refers to prayers and thanksgiving, etc, as the bible calls those "acceptable sacrifices". And there is actually a place on earth and in Israel that is a place of such daily sacrifices, the Wailing Wall which is part of a wall of the buildings or walls of the Temple in the time of Jesus, but (Mt 24:1,2) Jesus when the disciples said "look at these great buildings and the temple" and Jesus said "see this temple and all the buildings? I tell you not-one-stone shall remain standing one upon another." Well, there are still some stones standing atop one another, thus far, the Wailing Wall (Western Wall). So I believe a time comes when this will be taken away.. torn down and done away with.
Daniel says three and a half (Hebrew) years after they take away the daily sacrifice, the abomination that makes desolate (666 surely) will be set-up. ("an blessed is the one who waits and comes to the three and a half years and 45 days later") Daniel 12:11,12. These are actually written by Daniel in days rather than years, and then the days are usually interpreted as years, but it's hard for one to wait and come to one thousand three hundred and thirty five years! That's a rather long life!
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@FRANCISCOANDLEE (750)
• United States
2 Mar 11
Let me clarify my intent so you don't get the wrong impression, as I am ONLY discussing this and not trying to dispute nor invalidate what you say...just mature, insightful conversation...
Now, you said you don't think it'll happen because....BUT, for YEARS EVERYONE doubted that Israel would EVER become a nation again...said it would never happen...but it did, not that long ago. 1948
The sacrifice...that I'm not clear on at all...because Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice, and thereafter animal sacrifices were no longer needed.
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@FRANCISCOANDLEE (750)
• United States
2 Mar 11
Every one talks about the stones and cornerstones in the literal sense...what if they are metaphors? Jesus used them A LOT! People, corporations, etc., use them all of the time...I have heard bands refer to the drummer as the cornerstone...
...so what if those predictions and what Jesus said, Daniel and Ezekiel were ONLY metaphors? Maybe the cornerstone is an action, a country, a city...or a man.
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@FRANCISCOANDLEE (750)
• United States
2 Mar 11
Zechariah 10:3,4
Isaiah 28:16
Psalm 118:22,23
Matthew 24:14,16....the Holy place doesn't have to mean a temple...just the Mount?
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@1hopefulman (45120)
• Canada
25 Feb 11
Since the year 70 there has been no temple in Jerusalem. Will it be rebuild? I would say more no then yes and even if it was rebuild God has no more interest in it.
Matthew 21:42-43 (New International Version, ©2010) 42 Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures: “‘The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone; the Lord has done this, and it is marvelous in our eyes’? 43 “Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit.
Matthew 23:37-38 (New International Version, ©2010) 37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. 38 Look, your house is left to you desolate.
Matthew 24 (New International Version, ©2010) 1 Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2 “Do you see all these things?” he asked. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”
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@FRANCISCOANDLEE (750)
• United States
25 Feb 11
Isaiah 2:1-4
Matthew 24:14-16
Daniel 9:2-7
Thessalonians 2:3-4
Ezekiel 38-39, 43-45
I appreciate your thoughts and knowledge, when you have time, would you help me better understand the listed references I gave you?
Thanks!
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@1hopefulman (45120)
• Canada
25 Feb 11
Isaiah 2:1-5 (Young's Literal Translation) 1The thing that Isaiah son of Amoz hath seen concerning Judah and Jerusalem: 2And it hath come to pass, In the latter end of the days, Established is the mount of Jehovah's house, Above the top of the mounts, And it hath been lifted up above the heights, And flowed unto it have all the nations. 3And gone have many peoples and said, `Come, and we go up unto the mount of Jehovah, Unto the house of the God of Jacob, And He doth teach us of His ways, And we walk in His paths, For from Zion goeth forth a law, And a word of Jehovah from Jerusalem. 4And He hath judged between the nations, And hath given a decision to many peoples, And they have beat their swords to ploughshares, And their spears to pruning-hooks, Nation doth not lift up sword unto nation, Nor do they learn any more -- war. 5O house of Jacob, come, And we walk in the light of Jehovah.'
Look at the verses closely and you'll see that it has nothing to do with the literal nation of Israel. Can you see the nation of Israel get rid of it's army and weapons including its nuclear bombs?
Were you aware that today there is another Israel?
Romans 2:28-29 (Young's Literal Translation) 28For he is not a Jew who is [so] outwardly, neither [is] circumcision that which is outward in flesh; 29but a Jew [is] he who is [so] inwardly, and circumcision [is] of the heart, in spirit, not in letter, of which the praise is not of men, but of God.
Galatians 3:26-29 (Young's Literal Translation) 26for ye are all sons of God through the faith in Christ Jesus, 27for as many as to Christ were baptized did put on Christ; 28there is not here Jew or Greek, there is not here servant nor freeman, there is not here male and female, for all ye are one in Christ Jesus; 29and if ye [are] of Christ then of Abraham ye are seed, and according to promise -- heirs.
Galatians 6:15-16 (Young's Literal Translation) 15for in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation; 16and as many as by this rule do walk -- peace upon them, and kindness, and on the Israel of God!
There are two Israel's today: a fleshly one and a spiritual one. There are temples of stone and there are temples of peopel devoted to doing god's will. 1 Corinthians 3:16 (King James Version) 16Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
All the Scriptures of restoration are fulfilled spiritually and not physically. Jesus here was not speaking about a physical temple but a spiritual one, his body. The true temple today is made up of true Christians and they are the temple that no one can destroy because of the resurrection. Jesus' body was a true temple and if they destroyed it, God would just raise it up by resurrection. John 2:19 (King James Version) 19Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
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@1hopefulman (45120)
• Canada
25 Feb 11
Matthew 21:42-43 (Young's Literal Translation) 42Jesus saith to them, `Did ye never read in the Writings, A stone that the builders disallowed, it became head of a corner; from the Lord hath this come to pass, and it is wonderful in our eyes. 43`Because of this I say to you, that the reign of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth its fruit;
Matthew 21:43 (New International Version, ©2010) “Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit.
In the first century, the Christians were the ones that produced to fruits and preached the "kingdom of God" in all the known earth. Both Jesus and Paul foretold an apostasy from the faith but in the last days there would be a separation between real Christians and counterfeit Christians.
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@peavey (16936)
• United States
25 Feb 11
The rebuilding of the temple has been on ongoing wish/dream/project for many, many years now. I didn't know there was an online site about it.
I don't know whether it will be built in our life times, but I think it's possible. How the drama in the mideast plays out will determine when the temple will be built. With the world situation the way it is right now, anything could happen.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
25 Feb 11
The Temple Foundation has been soliciting donations to build the Temple since the 1970's. Later, at least two yeshivas (training schools for rabbi's) began indexing people who are descended from the priests and levites to train to conduct Temple services and rituals. Yeshiva Torat Haim and Yeshiva Aterit Cohanim both train students in Temple practices and have since the mid 1980's in Jerusalem. The Temple Institute has sponsored the creation of musical instruments, and the implements to be used in the Temple. Behind the scenes, these and many other organizations have laid the groundwork for a 3rd Temple to be constructed in very short order and be fully operational. Once construction of the 3rd Temple begins, all these opposition views will quickly melt away as Jews around the world realize that this is their opportunity to participate in an historic event, the rebuilding of the Temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. It is the purpose of this article to provide the scriptural basis for the rebuilding of a literal Temple in Jerusalem before Messiah returns, and since this article is written by a Christian, it will include references from both the Tanakh (Old Testament) and New Testament of the Bible.
In the Olivet Discourse of Matthew 24:15 and Mark 13:14, Jesus told the disciples about the end-time events and the abomination of desolation which will take place in the Temple in the middle of the end-times 7 year period.
Matthew 24:15 Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in THE HOLY PLACE (let the reader understand)...
The abomination of desolation is when the antichrist stands in the holy place of the rebuilt Temple and falsely declares to the world that he is God. This occurs in the middle of the 7 year end-times period. So if the peace treaty between Israel and the PLO signed on September 13, 1993 was the peace treaty of prophecy, then on February 24, 1997, the abomination of desolation should have occurred in the Temple in Jerusalem. There is no Temple in Jerusalem, and no world leader has declared himself to be God, so we know with 100% certainty that the September 13, 1993 peace treaty was not the peace treaty of prophecy. Let's go back to the book of Daniel to further expand on Jesus' words in the Olivet Discourse.
Daniel 9:27 And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate.
The text states that in the middle of the week, a week of years, the sacrifices and grain offerings will be stopped. The sacrifices and grain offerings will be started again at a rebuilt Temple in Jerusalem and have to be occurring for the antichrist to stop them. At the same time in the middle of the 7 year period, something called an abomination of desolation will be performed. We have to jump over to Daniel 11 to see what that is all about.
Daniel 11:36 Then the king will do as he pleases, and he will exalt and magnify himself above every god, and will speak monstrous things against the God of gods; and he will prosper until the indignation is finished, for that which is decreed will be done.
In order to show the consistency of scripture, let's jump over to Thessalonians to show that the same prophetic thoughts are displayed.
2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 Now we request you brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering to Him, that you may not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the Day of the Lord has come. Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the Temple of God, displaying himself as being God.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
26 Feb 11
Thank you. I look forward to more discussion.
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@FRANCISCOANDLEE (750)
• United States
26 Feb 11
I apologize for the short question...it kinda sounds like the Pope..the Pontiff....I know I'm wrong,but when I read what you quoted, that's what jumps out at me. I would love to continue this discussion, but must wait till morning....
Thanks so much for the input, I look forward to discussing this more!
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@PastorP (1170)
• United States
26 Feb 11
Somewhat yes. Israel was re-established in 1948 and you have mentioned Temple preparations which are true. I subscribe to "A Torah Minute." From this, I see devout Jews are hoping to rebuild.
Now, I said somewhat yes because I hold to the pretribulation view of the rapture of the Church, but I realize I could be wrong. I expect to be out of here by rapture. However, they could start building anytime (providing some things take place) and the rapture occur later.
The NT gives clear indication the Temple will exist when the Antichrist shows up.
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@flowerchilde (12529)
• United States
2 Mar 11
I find it interesting that the (Greek) word used here is not the one used in the verses about Jesus cleansing the Temple (overturning the tables, etc) but is the (Greek) word used when Jesus said "destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up" speaking of his body, and also the verse which says "do you not know that you are the temple of God". But I may be wrong and they will rebuild the temple, but it just doesn't ring true to me all the times I have done indepth study of bible prophecy and the Book of Revelation.
..also the theory of evolution declares man to be the higher power, and surely it does lead to man being a man of lawlessness, as Paul said already there are many anti Christs in the world, and the spirit of anti Christ... one of the prophecies of the anti Christ is that he will not honor any god or gods.. Daniel 11:36-39, which for some reason makes me think of Rev 20:5 (beheadings)
The verse is 2 Thessalonians 2:4.
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@FRANCISCOANDLEE (750)
• United States
27 Feb 11
Yes, and it states the anti-Christ will enter this temple and proclaim himself God, am I right?
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@PastorP (1170)
• United States
17 Mar 11
Greetings FRANCISCOANDLEE and flowerchilde.
Aye, FRANCISCOANDLEE, that is correct.
For, flowerchilde, you are correct that the same Gk. word is used for 2 Thess. 2:4 as in the other passages you mentioned. But here is the actual definition from Strongs:
1) used of the temple at Jerusalem, but only of the sacred edifice (or sanctuary) itself, consisting of the Holy place and the Holy of Holies (in classical Greek it is used of the sanctuary or cell of the temple, where the image of gold was placed which is distinguished from the whole enclosure)
2) any heathen temple or shrine
3) metaph. the spiritual temple consisting of the saints of all ages
In a case like this, the meaning is narrowed down by the context and words used in the sentence it is contained in. Given the fact that the man of sin is going to be sitting in the Temple would mean 2 Thess. 2:4 actually refers to the bldg. Per Daniel 9:27 and other passages animal sacrifice will be re-instituted for the Great Trib so we can safely expect a building to be built.
@RobtheRock (2433)
• United States
25 Feb 11
I don't know how old you are, but I don't think it will happen in my lifetime. I wouldn't bet my life on it though. I think it's possible that it will happen in your lifetime. I am a Christian and I have my ideas. I don't think I'm mistaken to believe that the new Temple must be built by Israelis or Jews. Moslems and any one else cannot build it. Am I correct?
@FRANCISCOANDLEE (750)
• United States
25 Feb 11
True, the temple must be built by the Jews. I don't know too much about exactly just what is taking place, and I hadn't heard about the Temple being built prior to this evening when I was book shopping...just looking for the new hard-back books when I stumbled upon a book just released that talks about about the Temple being built. I did not order the book but started searching the net to see what I could find out, which there are quite a few sites about it. The Temple is very significant and important, and I don't want to believe it if it's a conspiracy, but I also don't want to think it's a conspiracy if it isn't.
Thank you for your input!
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