Could Pima County AZ be the 51st State .. Namely Baja Arizona?
By gladys46
@gladys46 (1205)
United States
March 1, 2011 2:22pm CST
An article (dated 2/24/11) found in the AZ Daily Star written by Rhonda Bodfield and Andrea Kelly gives an account of a political committee made up of attorneys, including the former chairman of the Pima County Democtratic Party and a Libertarian and public defender David Euchner has formed to try to get Southern AZ to secede from the rest of the state. "Start our State" is asking other like-minded counties to join the effort.
Pima County, AZ has more than 1 million residents which is comparable to the size of Rhode Island and the country has a bigger population than seven other states, including Montana, Vermont, the Dakotas and Wyoming, according to the U.S. Census Bureau's 2009 estimates. The country is bigger than seven states, including Rhode Island, Connecticut and Delaware according to the World Almanac.
Paul Eckerstrom, co-chair of "Save Our State" said it's not a ploy and not merely a political statement ... that the State Legislature has gone too far to the right. In particular, a round of legislative measures challenging federal supremacy "really does border on them saying they don't want to be part of the Union any longer." "Well, I want to be part of the United States," Eckerstrom said ... "It's no longer a laughing matter."
The groups treasurer, Libertarian and public defender David Euchner, coming from a different political mind-set says "Republicans were swept into office nationwide on a promise of helping to fix the economic and spending problems. Meanwhile, every bill we've heard about here in either anti-abortion laws or anti-Mexican laws. These are not laws that are geared toward the real problems that we have."
Organizers concede that there are daunting hurdles. They must first get on the ballot, then get approval from the Legislature OR from state voters to allow the exodus. A new constitution would have to be approved, plus they'd have to get the OK from Congress and the president. Eckerstrom said that doesn't matter, that his group is prepared to circulate petitions statewide if need be. "Our attitude is whatever it takes, we are going to follow that process."
Maine, once a province of Massachusetts, petitioned for statehood, it took a long time, and the Missouri Compromise to get it done in 1820 ... and West VA broke away from VA after VA seceded from the Union and was granted statehood in 1863.
Peter Hormel, a Democrat and the other co-chair of the effort, said the group has gotten a positive response since it put the concept up on Facebook, but he knows there are skeptics. "It isn't a new idea, but it's gotten so bad in Phoenix that at some point, you're obligated to do something about it, all we can do is put it on the ballot and see what happens."
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Does it appear that republicans have gone too far, that they have actually over-reached so far that the American people (such as more than 60% polled in WI) are rejecting their extreme policies .. most of which have nothing to do with balancing budgets?
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
2 Mar 11
Interesting. I do need to correct one thing before I go further though, the creation of a new state does not require the approval of the president. Only of the approval of the legislature of the state being split and the U.S. congress is required for new states.
One tricky part is going to be in writing their new state's constitution. This in itself is a messy and involved process, with every single individual word being chosen carefully. But the real hard part is likely going to be getting the Arizona legislature to approve the split.
I am, not going to comment on whether or not "Does it appear that republicans have gone too far, that they have actually over-reached so far that the American people (such as more than 60% polled in WI) are rejecting their extreme policies" as the rest of America is irrelevant to internal matters for Arizona and I generally don't respond to things like "extreme policies" unless it is to inquire exactly what one means by "extreme"...since I am fairly certain already what you define as "extreme", it's a moot point.
Good find though. I was totally unaware this was going on.
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@gladys46 (1205)
• United States
1 Mar 11
Well no Laglen. As I read this article and the statements made by these committee people, they are absolutely weary of the cuts to schools, as well as AZ's proposed plans to slice and dice which federal laws they will enforce. The people of this very large county say they are yet suffering from the "Great Recession of 2008" battered the state's take from sales, property and income taxes and public-land sales and that the republican legislature has chosen to chop its per-student funding to unacceptable levels.
You might please know that President Obama's Admin. has increased AZ's border security by signing a $600 million Border Security Bill for more border Patrol Agents and Inspectors ... that was done in Aug. of 2010. The President also added 1,200 National Guard Troops to AZ's Southwest Border ... all of this came after only 18 months of President Obama's election. In fact, President Obama has outdone his predecessor on border enforcement spending and deportations of illegal immigrants. The fact is also that there are more Border Patrol Agents than ever before in the history of this country!! You might want to research the House Homeland Security Committee Hearing of July 22, 2010. Surely, you won't get these facts in tiny minded "conservative" mediums!!
Anyway, the subject article talks about this committee's assertions of outrageous over-reaches by AZ's republican leaders and this county's desire to secede from those mind-sets that they describe as "a very different set of politics ..."!
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@gladys46 (1205)
• United States
1 Mar 11
It is NOT illegal for this county to petition for statehood! They are NOT the ones attempting to secede from the UNITED STATES as TX threatened to do. Seems the State of AZ is doing just that with its definance of obeying federal laws!! I find you most often very wrong sierras on most issues!!
Maine seceded in 1820 for statehood by proper petition from Mass. and West VA broke away from VA in 1863 by proper petition as well. Of course the Civil War occurred 1861-1865, however, this county ... REPEAT, is not suggesting seceding from the UNITED STATES!!
AZ is still getting hit hard as we ALL are from GW Bush, Inc.'s Great Recession of 2008 .. period!
btw .. it's "secession" "secede" ... not "succession" .. very different meaning altogether. In haste, I make many typos myself but, you completely change signifant definition.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
1 Mar 11
Well I certainly think it IS a laughing matter. It's never going to happen. Creating a new state isn't easy or fast and I don't think these people have the fortitude to see it through. They're just making a stink and trying to get some headlines.
If this kind of thing were that easy, I'm sure the conservative parts of California would have seceded long ago to avoid being part of that bankrupt state.
@sierras236 (2739)
• United States
1 Mar 11
Secession is illegal. Yeah, it took a Civil War to declare it Unconstitutional. The problem is that they don't have a shot to pass this. You know if they want to fix things, then they would be challenging their representatives that were legally elected into the State Government. Frankly, even if the Democrats had control the State would be no better off. Case in point, the Democratic States have their own budget issues. The only difference is do you want higher taxes or spending cuts? Pick your dealings. Pima County has a huge illegal immigration problem. Sounds like these guys are completely ignoring that issue on their political website.
Don't be fooled. They can say they are not politicians but that fact is evident. This is just another political group pushing more political ideas.
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
2 Mar 11
The illegality of secession is somewhat questionable, but it hasn't been tested in any real means since the civil war (though Vermont came with in a few percentage points of doing so in a ballot option in the 90's).
But this isn't secession, it is the creation of a new state, something that is completely legal and constitutional.
@sierras236 (2739)
• United States
2 Mar 11
Aye, except if you read between the lines, they only way they could change the economic factors would be to secede from the US government. Otherwise, they are basically in the same position they are now. A budget deficit and no way to fix it other than to raise taxes or cut spending.