A first in Kansas

@GardenGerty (160696)
United States
March 2, 2011 5:13pm CST
Our local school district is the first in the nation to be allowed to opt out of No Child Left Behind. Instead, our junior high and high school students will be tested with a program developed by ACT to demonstrate community, career and college readiness. It is more focused on individual achievement and produces a results more applicable to real life. One of the issues with No Child Left Behind was that it focused on outcomes to the extent that teachers were forced to "teach to the test" rather than to teach things of practical importance. Our elementary students will continue taking the mandatory State Assessments. I think this is a good move all the way around.
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
2 Mar 11
Teaching to the test is not necessarily a bad thing, if the test is actually testing things that are useful. I guess it tends to promote a "one size fits all" style of teaching though, and children are individuals. I hope this is a good move...
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@GardenGerty (160696)
• United States
3 Mar 11
One of the problems that I saw first hand, due to the fact that I was a special education employee was the fact that there were no allowances made on the testing for kids who were special needs, but not labeled as MR. Even with the students who were mentally retarded, we had to find a way to test them and we ended up doing a lot of anecdotal documentation of the topics on the test. For instance, the two third grade girls who had that label that we still had to test we read them a story at their level. They had to tell who the story was about, what the story was about, and many other things. After the teacher and I compiled the documentation, then two school psychologists that did not have any connection with our school had to evaluate it. Children who were learning disabled, dyslexic, autistic, took computerized standardized tests, with no help. It did not really test what they knew.
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
3 Mar 11
They are able to make accomodations for my son here.
@daeckardt (6237)
• United States
3 Mar 11
I don't know that teaching to the test could be anything but bad. I guess it does depend on what is on the test, but for the most part, it would prevent covering material that is not on the test but is in the state standards, but not necessarily tested. I think that is more of a problem in big city schools where there are not enough teachers to be able to individualize lessons, but that would be the best way to reach the most students. I think anything that proves a student is capable of functioning in the real world is a step up from what we have now!
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@carmelanirel (20942)
• United States
2 Mar 11
That's wonderful news Gerty, now maybe teachers will be allowed to teach what is important...
@GardenGerty (160696)
• United States
3 Mar 11
I think it is a good move. It will be a focus on more practical learning that will help kids make a more successful life, we can hope.
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• United States
3 Mar 11
Yeah, the phrase, "dumbing down our kids" comes to mind. They need the practical teachings too, you wouldn't believe the everyday living things kids can't do, like doing their own laundry...
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• Pamplona, Spain
3 Mar 11
Hiya carmel, I have taught my Kids no end of times how to do the Laundry or the Washing as I call it and it goes in one Ear and out of the other. I think they do know it´s just that they don´t want to do it. For the moment I am doing it. I don´t mind as long as they don´t expect me to handle those awful clothes that wrinkle if you just look at them. You iron one crease out and you get fifty back I was really glad I put them both in an English School for a year it really cost me but it was worth it in the end they learned a lot and have never forgotten it either. I had to put them back in Public School after that but at least by then they had a better background and much more know how. Also they learned a lot of English that they never wanted to learn with me.
@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
5 Mar 11
I always thought that was a dumb move if a ki hasnt doen lessins or past all the test they shouldnt be passed to the net grade as they can never get prepared for life outside the class room. And to I do beleive the teachers need to teach! not leaveit up to the parents to figure out what teh teacher wants the students to do. Grand daughter gets a weekly homework and writting on the bottom is to be the directions well if ya cant read them you cant help!. We had to send back last weeks home work with half completed for we couldnt read what was wanted and we wrote on there couldnt read it was blurred in the coping and some words just werent there. I do beleive the teacher should check this all out before she gives it to the kids to do. and then when they hand in I do beleive teacher should grade them! Grand daughter gets that homework back and has never been graded on it!
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@GardenGerty (160696)
• United States
7 Apr 11
At the very least the teachers need to make sure the child understands what they are studying, so the teacher needs to look through it. Homework needs to not just be busy work.
@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
10 Apr 11
SO true
@ElicBxn (63594)
• United States
3 Mar 11
I think that's GREAT! I swear, you can learn all kinds of stuff, but then you can't add up a long list of numbers, you can divide a circle or triangle, but can't keep a check book... it seems to me that there's a lot of stuff on those "tests" that don't apply to actually LIVING!
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@GardenGerty (160696)
• United States
3 Mar 11
I think you have the point there. The skills that the new tests will be testing on should demonstrate in a more valid way that students who are graduating from our high school are ready to be a part of society. They are informed enough to be a part of society and they are ready to go on to college or to the work force.
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@daeckardt (6237)
• United States
3 Mar 11
I was never a fan of No Child Left Behind. Like you say, it caused the teacher to teach to the test and students wound up not being able to function in the real world. It sounds like you have a good thing going if it shows that the student is ready to be a productive citizen. I hope that other districts will look at what you are doing in your area and see if they can do the same thing. How long has this been going on in the district? How successful has it been? Thanks for sharing this!
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@GardenGerty (160696)
• United States
3 Mar 11
This is the first year. In fact the district has been waiting since summer to get the go ahead from the Department of Education to proceed with this alternative. I posted this discussion as this hit the state news tonight. The Department of Education has been going to make a decision for several months now. If the go ahead had not come through, the regular state assessments would have begun this week. Our elementary students still take the regular state assessments.
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@daeckardt (6237)
• United States
3 Mar 11
I hope this works out. It would be a good example for other districts if it works. I think it is really important that high school students know more things anyway.
• United States
3 Mar 11
Sounds like a good change with the district, but wondering though if the students do not educationally measure up, will they provide the additional assistance though? However, it will open doors for further discussion and hopeful changes.
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@GardenGerty (160696)
• United States
3 Mar 11
Basically the No Child Left Behind tested the schools, not the students. The new tests test whether students are suited for college, and are good citizens, and have the skills to hold a job and develop a career. They learn about voting and budgeting and real life skills and are tested on those types of skills.
• United States
3 Mar 11
So this testing will give the system a better chance of knowing at what level of teaching he school is at as a whole??
@KrauseHome (36448)
• United States
7 Apr 11
Personally especially since their is so many cut backs these days with all the schools and school teachers, etc. due to lack of funding, I feel it is Best to try and teach the kids things that will be more practical for them all around instead of having a manditory Test they must be able to pass. For many their is not the skills needed to be able to pass some of these, and for the smarter children they are often too bored. Why cannot we just get back to the Basics that we used to have back when I was in school?
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@GardenGerty (160696)
• United States
7 Apr 11
As an added effect, yesterday the other students through out the state were taking state assessment tests. In our town the students went in groups to do other parts of town to clean, paint and help people and not for profit programs. They were learning citizenship this way. It is a great idea that cannot be taught in the classroom.
@jerzgirl (9291)
• United States
3 Mar 11
That's great! Kids need to learn in a way that stays with them, not just learn how to pass a test. They simply don't remember the information they learned for the test. Anyone can pass a test if they put their mind to it. It takes more effort to learn life skills and applicable academics.
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@GardenGerty (160696)
• United States
3 Mar 11
I think this step is one that all schools to pursue. The problem is, not all children can learn to pass a test. Especially not one that has a learning disability. They can, perhaps, pass the test orally, but not necessarily on a computer etc. I have seen really pretty intelligent kids who think they are dumb because they do not do well on tests.
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@jerzgirl (9291)
• United States
3 Mar 11
I know what you mean. I know people who totally freeze up if they have to take a test for any reason. Yet, they know the material perfectly. They react to tests the way I react to speaking in public. Mind totally goes blank, palms sweat, and nothing makes sense, even when you're reading it. Tests do have their place, but if that's the only criteria of success, then it leaves a lot of people out. I'd say overall GPA should be the biggest factor because that includes credit for attendance, classroom participation, and work done in class.
@SomeCowgirl (32191)
• United States
5 Jul 11
I think anything that moves away from testing only on things that were textbook related and more on practical matters that will effect their lives more in the future is a good thing. Too many school standarized tests are just about the textbooks and nothing more. Teachers have to be awfully creative to teach kids more valuable things that will help them more then just what the textbook says about history, mathematics, english, life skills, etc. I think the Health and Home Ec teachers have it the easiest / hardest when it comes to their exams.
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@GardenGerty (160696)
• United States
5 Jul 11
With the focus more on community and career this will help them with their life.
@katsmeow1213 (28716)
• United States
3 Mar 11
Woo!! I wish they'd bring that here! That no child left behind act really gets under my skin! My oldest son is one that benefits from that law.. he gets very poor grades, primarily because he does not apply himself. He came to me when he got home from school last night, knowing that I had to work and he'd be gone at a babysitter's house all night until bedtime, and he says to me "I need to type up a report". I asked him why did he need to do that now, he says because it's due tomorrow.. and I say "So why are you just getting to it now?" he says "Because I've been busy".. uh, no, he was not busy!! Tuesday night I was at work and he was home with my FIL here.. he had all night to hop on my computer or laptop and print out his report. Monday night I did not work, we did not go anywhere.. he had all that night to type his report. He has like 2 study halls everyday, plus he stays after school everyday for an extra period which is much like a study hall, because my hope is that he'd use this time to visit his teachers for extra help on homework because it was stressing me out when I had to help him with it... so he cannot tell me he didn't have time.. he just put it off for too long and he had no chance to do it last night as he wasn't at home! This is why he gets failing grades, not because he's stupid, but because he doesn't apply himself and doesn't take the time to do the work. There have been years he should have failed.. but they moved him up anyway. My feeling is if he doesn't get it now.. how is he going to get it next year when the work is harder? I almost wish they would fail him to show him that he does need to bust his butt and get the grades he's supposed to.. because skating by isn't going to get him anywhere in life! Might sound tough.. but that's how I operate, I'm a tough love kind of mom. I swear if his grades are bad at the end of this year I will make the school put him in summer school.. or I'll ask them to hold him back.. because I think he needs a wake up call before he hits high school this coming fall!
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@GardenGerty (160696)
• United States
4 Mar 11
Around here for the most part they have not had summer school until they get to High School. I am not sure when it started, but any educational unit a student does not pass with an 80% he must retake in summer school until he shows mastery which is 80%.This is High School students. Even in elementary schools students have agenda books which they write their assignments in. At some schools the parents have to sign that the kids have showed the agenda and that they are aware of what the student has done and needs to get done. You are correct in your approach though. It is his work and he needs to be accountable for it and take ownership of it.
• United States
4 Mar 11
We used to do the agenda book thing.. but then it got to a point where he kept leaving the agenda at school so I couldn't sign it. He's even forged my signature on the agenda. If he did bring the agenda home he'd say he left his work at school. He would go to great legnths to get out of doing homework. If only he'd put half that effort into school work!
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@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
3 Mar 11
Sounds like a winner to me. They need to get back to basics i think anyway.
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@GardenGerty (160696)
• United States
4 Mar 11
They need to have time to teach kids in depth. Instead they seem to have to rush to cram in all the stuff that is on the test.
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@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
4 Mar 11
tHEY DIDN'T GIVE ALL THOSE TESTS WHEN i was in school a hundred years ago, lol. I still resent i wasted 3 years on algebra. two years were required & i had to take one year over, grrrrr. I knew i was going to beauty school & thought taking algebra was a waste of my time & it was. Have never used it in 51 years. Have a good weekend , GG.
@celticeagle (167015)
• Boise, Idaho
3 Mar 11
We need a happy medium. Something for the schools and the parents. 'Practical importance' doesn't seem to be of much interest to the No Child Left Behind people. It never seices to amaze me as to how these political types can talk out of their hats and other side of their mouths as to how much they are going to do for us when it actually turns to be how much good it is actually going to do.
@GardenGerty (160696)
• United States
4 Mar 11
The idea of making the schools accountable and responsible for making sure students are learning is a good idea of No Child Left Behind. It did not work because it becomes a matter of just making sure that the school passes the test.
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@celticeagle (167015)
• Boise, Idaho
4 Mar 11
That was what I was getting at. They care about the bottom line not the child.
• Pamplona, Spain
3 Mar 11
Hiya margi, All in all I hope that the Children learn a joy for learning something new every Day if it´s possible. We had very strict Schooling but they did instill in us a love of learning. Also for them to learn everyday things I think is a great thing like just doing Shopping, learning how much things cost where they came from and how they grew there and why. Things like that. I learned a love for Wildlife which I could not have had otherwise. I loved learning about Animals and such and other Countries. Another one would be for them to learn how to communicate and participate doing Plays making them up if needs be involving all the Class getting them to bring out their inner expression. Okay I really don´t know what else to put here but this is the way I feel. This is what we learned at our broken down School but I will always love it because they taught us so much. They taught very practical things and the basic things too. I posted to Carmel also and I went a bit off track as I have a Guy here right up above me with a sledgehammer knocking down a Wall and then he is using one of those big Drills so he has made my Head bang so much that I could not think for the noise he is still making. So sorry about that one I was trying to tell her what I taught my Kids.
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@GardenGerty (160696)
• United States
4 Mar 11
That is one of the things that is missing in many people's life. My children loved learning, but they learned that before they ever went to school. You are so right that it is important to learn about many things that are not in the books, the natural aspect and the creative aspect as well as practical skills. I am so sorry that they are doing the demolition and construction at your place.
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• Pamplona, Spain
19 May 11
Hiya GG, Lately I see the Children more out of School than in it so I don´t know what is going on there. Apart from the Holidays which are numerous here too. How can they have a love for learning when they are never there in the Class hardly either? When they are in the School they must learn something I don´t know what they teach them anymore. I hope it´s a lot of good and interesting things too. Yes the construction is still going. Some days there is more noise and others less. But we are getting there slowly a lot more slowly because it seems they have run short of vital Cash and the noise has stopped till they get some more Cash lol.xxx
@rameshchow (4426)
• India
3 Mar 11
Digging the the valuable talent from the student is only possible in the school age only. You are doing well. I heard that in USA, there is freedom to open schools and colleges for any one. But there is ranking system in USA which will test the performance of the institution in the Quality and Quantity. Care to enlighten about this. Because in india the situation is different. There are so many rules which can be done with money(corruption).
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@GardenGerty (160696)
• United States
3 Mar 11
From about five years old to about eighteen years old, all children are entitled to a free public education. The tests that have been in place for about ten years were not necessarily testing skills that students need for a successful life. Where I live has gotten permission to give alternative tests. Parents can choose to pay and send students to private schools or educate them at home as well. Students often can get financial aid to help them go to college.Or they may want to go to vocational schools. I do not know much about education for students in India.
• India
3 Mar 11
Here there are many Government schools and Government colleges we have. But coming to school education majority of the people are going to private schools only. Compare with private schools the government schools are filled with fully experienced teachers. But these are not doing their level best. They have to concentrate on teaching. Then we will see the good results in Public schools also.
@Thoroughrob (11742)
• United States
3 Mar 11
I hope that they prove that this works better. I have a child with special needs, and I have to say, that I don't think what they are doing is working.
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@GardenGerty (160696)
• United States
4 Mar 11
I am pretty sure that you have seen how No Child Left Behind does not work for special needs.
@melanie652 (2524)
• United States
3 Mar 11
I think that's good. Now the teachers will be better able to teach the kids what they really need to know. I've never been too impressed with the No Child Left Behind program. Seemed good in theory, but not practical. I hope more school districts follow suit and opt out too.
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@GardenGerty (160696)
• United States
4 Mar 11
I am very positive about the changes that can take place. Yes, every child needs to be educated. Schools need to be accountable for how they are spending our educational dollar. Too many money pits out there.
@drannhh (15219)
• United States
10 Mar 11
I very much agree with this approach.
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@GardenGerty (160696)
• United States
7 Apr 11
It is a good way to get practical about education.
@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
5 Mar 11
That's how schools were when I was growing up and it worked quite well. It wasn't until people came up with all kinds of crazy educational "progress" and teaching methods that things began going south. Add to that the number of kids with two working parents or just one parent supporting them and you have a recipe for the destruction of a generation. I'm glad your school district is making a sensible choice in the interest of the children, not politics or other reasons.
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@GardenGerty (160696)
• United States
7 Apr 11
As an added effect, yesterday the other students through out the state were taking state assessment tests. In our town the students went in groups to other parts of town to clean, paint and help people and not for profit programs. They were learning citizenship this way. It is a great idea that cannot be taught in the classroom. I think the program is called citizenship,college and career in our district. We have always tried to emphasize citizenship, and it is neat to see the school putting it into practice. !
@Shellyann36 (11384)
• United States
3 Mar 11
I think that is great! Our news broadcast mentioned something recently about teachers helping the kids taking the EOG's to cheat and giving them the answers. It is so stressed here in our state that teachers, principles and everyone in the school system are so scared of losing their jobs if they students do not perform well. I think this will be more well rounded! I would wish that my state did the same thing.
@GardenGerty (160696)
• United States
3 Mar 11
The idea that no child would be left behind was a good one. Tests do not really measure success or an education. I was an excellent test taker, it was fun for me.or many students tests are terrifying. The funding of districts is so tied to performance on the tests that it becomes a major stressor on all involved. If your students do poorly, you may lose funding or even local control of the schools, if your students do outstandingly well you are suspected of cheating. It would be better for all concerned if the focus changed from test performance to life performance.
@gloryacam (5540)
• Philippines
3 Mar 11
I'm not sure because I haven't read about it, but from your description, it seems like the policy is not giving more importance on the quality of education of kids because they study what they're having in the exams, not what they really need to know and learn about. Am I correct? Is it like a salesman wanting to do his quota? It's good your school district is out of it.
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@GardenGerty (160696)
• United States
3 Mar 11
You have understood pretty well. The sad thing is this program was put into place by the Federal Government. I do not think politicians understand what it is like to be in a classroom. Not all kids do equally well on tests, not all students learn the same way.