A quote from Mark Twain on Religion

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@barehugs (8973)
Canada
March 3, 2011 6:29pm CST
There is one notable thing about our Christianity: bad, bloody, merciless, money-grabbing and predatory as it is - in our country particularly, and in all other Christian countries in a somewhat modified degree - it is still a hundred times better than the Christianity of the Bible, with its prodigious crime - the invention of Hell. Measured by our Christianity of to-day, bad as it is, hypocritical as it is, empty and hollow as it is, neither the Deity nor His Son is a Christian, nor qualified for that moderately high place. Ours is a terrible religion. The fleets of the world could swim in spacious comfort in the innocent blood it has spilt. - Mark Twain What can you say to that?
8 responses
• United States
7 Mar 11
I can say that Twain is entitled to his own beliefs...I'm not authorized to judge another. Certainly his views differ from my own.
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• United States
8 Mar 11
Actually, my friend...I've kinda seen guys fight over the same woman...so you sure made an excellent point!!
@1hopefulman (45120)
• Canada
4 Mar 11
So, is he saying that Jesus Christ is not a Christian? If so, how does he back up his argument?
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@barehugs (8973)
• Canada
4 Mar 11
Mark Twain's quote states -Measured by our Christianity of to-day, bad as it is, hypocritical as it is, empty and hollow as it is, neither the Deity nor His Son is a Christian, nor qualified for that moderately high place. This clearly says that Jesus was not a Christian! The Great Christian Scam did not begin until long after the purported crucifixion, would this not make it impossible for Jesus Christ to have been a Christian?
@1hopefulman (45120)
• Canada
5 Mar 11
A "Christian" simply means a follower of Jesus Christ. That could not happen till after he lived. I understood that he was saying that Jesus Christ was not a good example of a human being. What do you mean when you say "The Great Christian Scam?"
6 Mar 11
I agree with 1hopefulman. @barehugs: Christ IS real. The Bible is real. Believe it!
@Gordano (795)
• United States
4 Mar 11
I totally agree with the first part of that quote, till it said "in a somewhat modified degree" the rest of that quote make absolutely no sense to me since it is blasphemous to the Almighty creator praise be to Him, My dear friend you need to understand that God's divine revelation brought to the humanity (in the original versions of the sacred books) is a perfect plan for the guidance of human beings in all aspects, being under God's law is something that honor everyone who choose to life under it, it means that people don't kill, don't steal, don't bear a false witness ETC because these are good values not because of the fear of being caught by the police, needless to say that there was no police in the ancient times. many of the sacred Books in the Bible are corrupted/falsified (some people like to say heavily edited!) by the religious leaders of the Children of Israel in the old time, this is why Jesus Christ was sent to them, and this is why All the debates of Jesus were against the religious leaders not against the common people of Israel and this why the message was taken from them later and was given to their brethren, Islam is All about the Law and only Muslims preach it, But the Jews don't preach the Law after they taught that it is only for them and others are dogs, not only they don't preach the Law but also they always employ someone as a deceiver to deceive other people when they fell that they will adhere to the Law. Jesus in the Bible used to recommend the Law for those who asked him repeatedly what should they do to inherit the Eternal life, But Paul (a Jew) preached that the Law is a curse!! and preached inheriting the eternal life (for the wicked and the righteous) Just for believing that God killed the God to please the God!! it should be noted that Paul is the founder of churches, and Christianity is based on the deception of Paul, in fact Christianity is a religion about Jesus, not the religion of Jesus which is All about the Law. the hell is not invention I believe in the existence of the hell since it is mentioned in the Holy Quran (the final pure version of God's divine revelation) but you need to understand: the Hell for whom ? it is for criminals and murderers who spend their life in the corruption of the earth and harming other people, and keep doing this during their life till they die without repent, and not the hell used by priests to threaten their followers to keep them under their control, as I said, the hell exist but you we need to know the truth about it, Can you imagine What the security of punishment leads to? the security of punishment is hazardous, it leads to more and more criminals and murderers, there must be a Law and punishment for breaking it, it is a must for every society for its benefit and God's Law is for All the humanity as a society. some evil people used to brake the Law calling things by other names, they used to kill and call themselves freedom fighters! used to steal and call themselves bankers and money lenders!! used to commit adultery and call it love making!! for all of this there is a judgment by our Almighty creator who know not only the truth about our deeds but also our insides. and finally, I hope that I don't offend anyone by my response, I believe in a quote by Bill Cosby: "I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody." Best regards!
@barehugs (8973)
• Canada
6 Mar 11
Its been said that we, "live in a hell of our own creation!" if this is the case I wish you the all the best! May the good Lord bless and keep you and may the Devil always be one step behind!
• Adelaide, Australia
7 Mar 11
An excellent response with plenty of extra information added for effect! I don't see how Mr Twain is blaspheming God / the creator in any way. Rather his whole point is to show how completely divorced Christian Churches are from Jesus' teachings. As I recall from his other writings, Mr Twain has shown a great appreciation of God & his creation elsewhere. The word "invention, as Mr Twain often used it, does not necessarily mean that what was invented was original. Old English words have somewhat different meanings at the time they were used. We can see from his other writings & diary entries that Mr Twain did believe hell to exist, in some form or state, but not the hell that the Christian Church "invented". That's very true about so-called "Saint" Paul, or Saul of Tarshish. The story is very long, but well worth one's reading. And at it's conclusion all of Christendom would be justified in crying their eyes out endlessly, ripping their garments in sorrow & mourning & pouring a mountain of ashes upon their heads! Saul was Herod's grandson! He infiltrated Jesus' own people, the Essenes / Nazarenes & destroyed them from the inside-out, obliterating them from the face of the earth. Then he used his powerful position of government influence to get the government of the day to adopt his new church & turn it into a dues paying institution so Herod could get his tax money. Saul's "conversion" was a big lie & the Essenes filled their holy scriptures with calling St Paul "spouter of lies", "man of the lie", liar, etc. Saul, Timothy, Barnabus & Silas were just part of a group who went around arresting & destroying men, women & children who belonged to the Essene sect until they were extinct.
@savypat (20216)
• United States
4 Mar 11
I don't think Christianity has any corner on these things, study most other religions and you will find the same. This seems to be a reoccurring human trait, one would hope that with the next step in evolution we would spritually grow beyond the need to enforce or destroy each other for differences.
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@barehugs (8973)
• Canada
4 Mar 11
A scarcity of Clergy, empty Churches, and a growing indifference by the public is writing on the wall for the religious faithful. Organized religion, Like a runaway train, has almost reached the end of the line. What will it take to start over? When will we take the next evolutionary step. Only God Knows, and She isn't talking!
@savypat (20216)
• United States
4 Mar 11
maybe we are just not listening.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
4 Mar 11
Unfortunately, just being religious is not enough. Much atrocity has been done by 'religous people'. Witness today's mid east. Just because a Church body does something in the name of God, does not mean God condones it. In fact, in scriptures there's the warning that just because you called yourself by Christ's name, does not mean He will acknowledge you in the end. It's really sad that the Truth of God's love has been overshadowed by human hate, greed and avarice. But if you believe in God and the devil, you realize there is warfare between the two for the hearts and minds of human beings. And since mankind has free will and is not a robot he is free to abuse the love his Creator has for him. Would you have God intervene? put a stop to all the killing in His name. Then He would be a tyrant no more worthy of praise than those killing in His name.
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@barehugs (8973)
• Canada
4 Mar 11
We have had more than enough evidence of late, to prove that atrocity is nothing new for the Religious. The sad thing now, with the coverups uncovered,and Billions of hush money paid by the church to victims and their families, is that the religious sit quietly in the pew, while the Church Heirachy continues as before,to sweep it all under the carpet, and no one has ever said,"We are Sorry!"
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
5 Mar 11
And we may never hear an I'm sorry from those in power, barehugs. And I for one realize how important that is to those who've suffered. I believe with all my heart that the hottest fires of hell are reserved for those who brought harm in God's name to innocents. I have to believe that to keep my sanity. For if there is no ultimate judge on behalf of those innocents what is there in life worth living for? God sees. He knows who is right and who is not. He is a loving God who cares for the suffering of the innocent. It will all come out in the wash, as they say.
@tessa9 (1085)
• Philippines
4 Mar 11
They always say that one topic that will definitely spark a conversation is religion. If you want to get into a fight talk about religion. I'm a Christian and I always feel on defense every time other people criticize what I believe in. That maybe close minded of me but I love what I believe in so why is that somebody else's business. To each is own, to each is own.
@barehugs (8973)
• Canada
4 Mar 11
Oh! Far be it from me to fight about religion! I am a lover, and pacifist from way back. To each his own (I always say) and may the Devil take the hinder-most!
@barehugs (8973)
• Canada
4 Mar 11
I am just quoting Mark Twain- Remember!
@Pose123 (21635)
• Canada
4 Mar 11
Hi barehugs, Mark Twain did not mince words and was not afraid to speak out against even the church which had so much control over people. He knew the church had great power over the masses, but clearly not over him. The Christian church was never patterned after the teachings of Jesus. It great to know that it doesn't have the control it had over people in the middle ages. Blessings.
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@barehugs (8973)
• Canada
6 Mar 11
Thanks so much for your response! (And I'm so glad your feeling up to it!) Mark Twain was an illustrious thinker, and a Great visionary! I have always enjoyed his writing, and have reread his books many times!
4 Mar 11
sorry, it is a test.
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@barehugs (8973)
• Canada
4 Mar 11
This is an actual quote from Mark Twain. Of course its controversial, and I have not given it my blessing. I will happily speak to each response, and I am hoping for many replies.