Wisconsin Firefighters Shut Down Bank that Funded Governor Scott Walker
By gladys46
@gladys46 (1205)
United States
March 11, 2011 2:26pm CST
Reported at AlterNet, yesterday Wisconsin firefighters collectively began withdrawing their funds from madison's M&I Bank -- whose executive and board members were among the highest donors to Gov. Walker's campaign.
Members withdrew over $100,000 from the bank, with some report that number being as high as $190,000. That hefty chunk of change, that run caused the bank to shut its doors and close for the day at 3PM.
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Will the Koch brothers replenish Madison's M&I Bank?
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13 responses
@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
12 Mar 11
Alternet has a few details wrong, if that is what they reported. A coalition of union supporters sent letters to many businesses, the M&I Bank included,promising to be kind if they would support the unions or to boycott if they supported Walker. Some protesters withdrew $192,000 from that bank. The bank did not close because of the withdrawals, they closed on the advice of police because of the protesters.
And, so what? I suppose that to you and to me, $192,000 sounds like a lot of money, but it's not enough to close a bank or even seriously affect them. I note that M&I's last shareholder letter lists assets exceeding $129 Billion.
Here's some real news on the story:
In related news, a group of protestors targeted the M&I Bank branch on Capital Square in Madison Thursday, leading to the bank’s early closure. A bank spokeswoman said the branch was closed under the advisement of Madison police on Thursday. It reopened for business today. Numerous protestors entered the bank on Thursday and withdrew their deposits there. According to the Wisconsin State Journal, protestors withdrew a total of more than $192,000 from the branch on Thursday.
It didn't close because it ran out of money, it closed because of the rabble rousers. No business willingly opens its doors to troublemakers and ruffians.
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@sierras236 (2739)
• United States
12 Mar 11
Thanks, I didn't get that part of the news.
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@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
12 Mar 11
I didn't include the part about the firefighters except in the mention of the "coalition" that sent the letter. It wasn't pertinent to my response. I am not in the habit of doing a copy and paste of entire news articles and I think that a posting that consists of entirely pasted material is prohibited by myLot TOS.
There is no "real story" if you get your news from Alternet, sorry. You can get a lot of slanted, biased tripe, though.
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@gladys46 (1205)
• United States
12 Mar 11
Rollo, it's interesting that your "real news" does not mention the "firefighters"!! I suppose in an effort to ignore them, the writer of your "real news" didn't think that was important even though the fact is, in pertinent part the firefighters support of Wisconsin's teacher's union and their complete rejection of the governor's stripping teacher's of their bargaining rights. The "real news" is also that the governor did not include the firefighters in his collective bargaining stripping. So, the "real" story is that firefighters, in solid support, took their monies out of a bank that supports the governor!
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@terryt52 (243)
• United States
11 Mar 11
Who cares they are a bank that got a bail out. We need to get unions under control. I believe that all people deserve to make a honest living. Most union workers are over paid. I say Go Scott Walker and may the other state governors take a lesson. I know in my state the newly elected is working on the unions.
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@kenzie45230 (3560)
• United States
12 Mar 11
You're right, Terry. Governor Walker is doing exactly what he was elected to do - mostly by TEA party conservatives who want less government, lower taxes, fiscal responsibility and free markets. These unions have fleeced taxpayers long enough.
We're going through the same thing in Ohio. Thank goodness we got a conservative elected. Here, they're working on getting rid of collective bargaining for benefits and pensions for ALL government union employees, including fire fighters and police. It's about time.
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@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
12 Mar 11
The Fire Departments are a government monopoly and we the people have no way to strike back at them if we disagree with them. This is exactly what is wrong with Public Unions we the people have no where else to go. Even in the case of education if I take my children out of school I still have to pay for it. If I try and not pay for it the government will simply take my property and lock me up.
Maybe we should push for private fire protection like some cities have and save some money. Lets go to school vouchers and let the parents decide where to send their children to be educated. Lets have a private company or companies take care of street repairs and snow removal. Don't forget private garbage collection.
It is their right to do what they did. Several years ago some communities tried to cross train employees so that they could do more than one job. the Unions would not do it. Now maybe we can do that and save time, money and lives. Lets have all the police and fire cross trained as para medics. Think of the money we could save to put into M & I Bank.
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@daeckardt (6237)
• United States
12 Mar 11
I think your cross-training suggestion is really good. If people could act in multiple capacities, then you wouldn't have to hire as many people to get the same amount of work done. And if the police and fire were trained as paramedics, there would always be medically trained people on the scene of an accident much sooner and like you say, that would save lives. I also think that privatizing most of the services currently provided by governments would make a lot of sense as well. Thanks for suggesting this. I wish there was a way to make it happen.
@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
11 Mar 11
The very fact that this action by the firefighters has been publicized will have many people going to that bank to make deposits next week in support of the Governor. After all, there are two sides to this issue.
The union members need to realize that with this bad economy they cannot keep going on without paying their fair share just like private sector workers. The unions have brought this upon themselves by constantly demanding that their members be treated "special".
Wisconsin is the only state where public union members can look forward to making more than they earned each year when they they retire and receive their pensions and Social Security. Some other states (Colorado) pay out a higher percentage of their saleries at retirement; but, their public workers do not participate in Social Security; so, they don't get any Social Security when they retire.
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@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
12 Mar 11
Here's an interesting look at all the polls and why some favor Governor Walker and some favor the unions. Seems it is all about the questions you ask. the more emotional you make the question the more people vote the emotion. However, when the issue is phrased as getting spending under control through this bill, the poll favors Walker. Emotion over logic - that is what the unions are trying to use to win over debate. But because when the emotion is removed and only the pragmatic issues are involved, people vote with their logic. That is why I don't believe that this will hurt Walker in the long run, when things get better in the state this will only be a hiccup.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_scott_rasmussen/what_you_can_learn_about_wisconsin_dispute_from_differences_in_poll_questions
For example, Quinnipiac found a 45% to 42% national plurality in favor of the governor by asking, “In order to reduce state budget deficits, would you support or oppose limiting collective bargaining for public employees?” On the other hand, Pew found a 42% to 31% national plurality opposed to the governor by asking, “From what you’ve read and heard about the dispute between Wisconsin’s governor and public employee unions over collective bargaining rights, do you side more with the governor or the public employee unions?”
Quinnipiac put the collective bargaining rights dispute in context as a potential way to reduce the state budget deficit. Pew described the entire issue as a collective bargaining dispute and never mentioned the state budget deficit. When the deficit is mentioned, the governor does much better; when it’s all about limiting collective bargaining rights, the unions do better.
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@kenzie45230 (3560)
• United States
12 Mar 11
I haven't seen those polls. What I've seen is that the people who voted Walker in are thrilled that he's doing exactly what he said he would do.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
12 Mar 11
http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/515607/awesome%3A_wisconsin_firefighters_shut_down_bank_that_funded_walker
Here's the latest:
UPDATE: Stranded Wind over at DailyKos has photos of the protest outside M&I, and says the ante has been upped to $600,000! 'What these pictures show are six hundred ordinary citizens descending on the M&I branch near the Wisconsin Capitol after learning of their purchase of the gubernatorial election last November. Two firefighters with old school ideas about saving had over $600,000 between the two of them and they demanded cashier's checks on the spot.'
What a clever and PEACEFUL way of fighting back! Hit them in the wallet, the same way they're being hit.
I'm not sure what the Koch brothers can do legally other than make a deposit to cover what was taken out! Of course, that would be like a nickel to someone like me.
Annie
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@sierras236 (2739)
• United States
12 Mar 11
Something a little odd about those numbers. So, the protesters on average pulled out a $1000 each.
@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
12 Mar 11
That's like a nickel to a bank like M&I which reported an increase in transaction deposits of more than $2.5 billion in the last quarter of 2009 over the third quarter and boasts assets exceeding $129 billion.
I would be interested in why you and Gladys think the Koch brothers would take any interest at all in this bank.
The bank was closed on the advice of police because of those six hundred "ordinary citizens". It's not safe to have 600 people in a bank at one time. Firefighters should know this.
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@gladys46 (1205)
• United States
12 Mar 11
Hi Annie ... you're really hilarious!
It really dosen't matter the amount withdrawn to me ... it's the ACT ... a very forceful act by those firefighters ... I'm proud of 'em!
Those protesters and all their supporters, like firefighters understand clearly that their very financial futures have been threatened by a puppet for government corruptors such as Koch brothers.
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@artistry (4151)
• United States
11 Mar 11
...Hi gladys, When you a start a brutal assault, be ready for the backlash. Governor Scott Walker may just have a short career as governor. This weekend and going forward hundreds of people will be out on the streets and in the neigborhoods in Wisconsin to collect names on a petition of recall for the governor and six Republican Senators. The word is that at least three senators are vunerable to lose their seats, the Dems are then in control with three R's gone. The governor has ticked off enough people in Wisconsin that he should be concerned about his career, maybe the GOP will vault him into being the nominee for 2012.
I for one have no problem seeing him lose his job, the other man should have been elected perhaps he would be less cruel. Close the doors huh, well other banks better get ready. Not good to have runs on banks but the GOP started it all. Cheers.
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@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
12 Mar 11
And what happens if he wins the recall and the Dems lose the Senate because there are recall petition for many of the Democrat Senator who ran when the going got tough. That would give him a totally free hand to cut the size of government.
Let ma ask how may Republicans left the state when Gov Doyle and the Democrats gave the unions more bargaining power in 2009?
http://www.aftface.org/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=546
Remember the law of unintended consequences.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
12 Mar 11
Why does it bother you so much that the unions will have no money to support Obama in 2012?
Maybe we'll see how the election process is REALLY suppose to work. You keep going on about the Koch brothers running the show because of their wealth. How is it ok for the VERY rich and powerful unions to rig an election then? If one side of the issue is wrong for manipulating the system with their wealth, the other side is just as wrong.
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@gladys46 (1205)
• United States
11 Mar 11
Hi artistry! Indeedy! I just heard a Wisconsin rep. by the name of Fitzgerald on a clip Chris Matthews aired of him on FOX saying specifically that it they crush the unions in Wisconsin there would be no money to contribute to President Obama's campaign! The world knows now that the governor and his rubber stamper's intent was to distroy unions in Wisconsin ... how clever was it to sever the collective bargaining bill to avoid a legal quorum!
I suppose republicans are hoping that the electorate suffer big time amnesia and apathy as they demonstrated for mid-term elections. We shall see!!
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
12 Mar 11
Who cares? If they want to bank somewhere else they can just go ahead.
You really should check a reputable source instead of a liberal group like alternet. That's why you never have your facts straight. Alternet lies and misleads its readers to promote an agenda. They even admit that they have an agenda. If you read a story there, I recommend checking a REAL news source to get the full story before buying the tripe they sell. In this case they regurgitated a story they got from DailyKOS, the absolute worst of the left wing blogs. You may remember them as the scumbags who started that lie that Sarah Palin's son was really Bristol's son. There is no level they won't stoop to and no lies they won't tell to smear their opponents.
Either way, if people don't want to bank there for whatever reasons, that's fine. They didn't shut the bank down by withdrawing money like you claimed, but others have already told you that.
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@sierras236 (2739)
• United States
11 Mar 11
So, it is their right to move their money to whatever bank they want. Just hope they get some good deals on new checking/savings accounts at their new bank and that they haven't lost money during the move. (I would have advised them to stay away from BOA or Chase.) Opening new accounts at some banks usually means some sort of fees.
They probably closed the bank due to a lack of actual cash at the bank and had to wait for funds to arrive. Banks only keep a certain amount of money on hand. The rest of that money goes towards loans.
@sierras236 (2739)
• United States
12 Mar 11
So, thanks to Rollo, they closed on the advice of the police. I do stand by and say if the protesters want to withdraw their money, that is their right. Hopefully, the fees won't be too high at the next bank they go to.
@3SnuggleBunnies (16374)
• United States
12 Mar 11
I don't think they are hurting anyone by withdrawing their money. They just closed down a branch for a day or so til the next cash order comes in. A place like them will not miss that amount of money, somewhere small like a little credit union would hurt but not M&I.
@daeckardt (6237)
• United States
12 Mar 11
I am not from Wisconsin and I don't follow the news at all so I don't know what's going on in the world except when I see discussions in Mylot. From what I can see, the people chose to pull their money out of one bank. I have done that before, but not for political reasons. If many people want to take their money out of the bank, that is their right and privilege.
After reading all the responses in here, I think I need to get more information and not necessarily from that source. If it has to do with unions, I wouldn't join a union if you paid me to. There was one job that said if I didn't join the union after 90 days that I couldn't work there any more. Needless to say, I quit the job.
I generally don't get involved in politics, but sometimes specific parts can be interesting. If we can make a point by pulling money out of a particular bank, then go for it. I would rather not worry about who donated to whom. It is just a headache to me.
@Youreyes4Today (2356)
• United States
12 Mar 11
Wouldn't it be cool if we the people could write a new bill that says,
All Govenors, Senators, House Reps, Presidents and such in those capacities, that there pay match to no more than what the employee's are paid. That if there is a pay reduction to help the economy, they are no longer exempt. That they walk with us and take the pay cuts too.... Oh and have to pay for their own gas, homes, schools, and groceries out of the pay they earn with their jobs.
If they want to talk the talk, I believe they need to walk the walk, in other words, NO BACK DOORS FOR THEM EITHER...
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
12 Mar 11
There are reports of several public employees (union members) who do make more than the Governor. There was at least one Madison Bus Driver who made more than the Governor.
http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt_and_politics/article_24af32d4-13f4-11df-86b2-001cc4c002e0.html
To find what the top Wisconsin Government Officals made (elected).
http://sunshinereview.org/index.php/Wisconsin_state_government_salary
I guess we do live in a perfice world.
@daeckardt (6237)
• United States
12 Mar 11
Youreyes4today,
I like how you suggest that they should have to pay for food, schools, gas and everything else. There are too many "back doors" that elected officials and wealthy people in general get away with. They need to be just like the rest of us.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
12 Mar 11
And this is a good thing because?
They care nothing for the other depositers.
So much for the 'democratic process'. Our country is descending into anarchy.