Unions in the US
By ParaTed2k
@ParaTed2k (22940)
Sheboygan, Wisconsin
March 14, 2011 2:29am CST
Ok, I'm confused here. The left seems to act like everyone is clamoring to be in a union. They talk about how great unions are, how much labor appreciates them, and act like no one in their right mind would ever choose not to be in one.
But the reality is, only 12% of the total work force (private and public) bothers actually being in one. Out of that percentage, many are in states where they are given little to no choice if they want to be in a union or not.
How many Americans would actually choose to be in a union if they had the choice NOT to be? and if they are so important to workers, why aren't more willing to join voluntarily?
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@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
14 Mar 11
While only 12% of the entire workforce belong to unions, for public employees it is much higher, over 30%. Why such a difference? Could it be that unions are so successful in raising money to elect candidates who will meet excessive union demands? Is it that public unions have so many elected officials in their pockets that they can guarantee more to their members? Is it that more public unions can require union membership for employment?
It's been my experience in the private sector that the suggestion of unionization comes about either when the company is truly so deaf to the needs of its employees that a unions seems to be the only answer, or the union is brought up and encouraged by the employees who do a poor job to begin with and want job security without having to perform well. I have personally experienced the latter.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
14 Mar 11
No, the entire combined workforce is 12% (actually 11.9%) unionized, that is private and public. Now, some states have a higher percentage, which may explain the discrepancy.
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@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
14 Mar 11
Right, of all workers only 11.9% belong to unions. But of those workers who are in the public sector, 36% are unionized.
"In 2010, 7.6 million public sector employees belonged to a union, compared with 7.1 million union workers in the private sector. The union membership rate for public
sector workers (36.2 percent) was substantially higher than the rate for private
sector workers (6.9 percent). Within the public sector, local government workers
had the highest union membership rate, 42.3 percent. This group includes workers in
heavily unionized occupations, such as teachers, police officers, and fire fighters."
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.nr0.htm
People who work for government are much more likely to be unionized than people who work in the private sector.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
14 Mar 11
Ah, ok, now I see what you mean.
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@MrCoolantSpray (1005)
• United States
14 Mar 11
In several industries, in several states, union membership is a pre-condition of employment. You can't be a teacher in CA (I think) without belonging to one of the two major teacher's unions. Regardless of how you feel about unions extracurricular PACs, you have to pony up the dues each month. It puts a lot of money in the union coffer, when the state requires union membertship.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
14 Mar 11
Yup, isn't it ironic how the unions talk about "workers' rights" but one of the things they work for is depriving workers the right to decide if they want to be in unions or not.
Unions care about union leaders, that's about it.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
14 Mar 11
So, just because I know a union person will come and ask...who were all those people at the protests then?
@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
14 Mar 11
Personally, I would not join a union and if it was a pre-condition of employment I would look for another location/state/company that did not force workers to join.
Unions did have a place in our society before; but, most of them have outlived their usefulness and are simply parasites that produce nothing and do nothing but waste employees hard earned dollars.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
14 Mar 11
I've never joined a union that I wasn't forced to. In my experience, which is all in the public sector, all public unions remove any performance based system of raises and rewards.
They also do everything in their power to prevent crappy employees from being fired. They negotiate excessive "disciplinary steps" to be sure that no matter what an employee does, the employer is required to go through an ungodly number of steps that accomplish NOTHING as they involve verbal warnings, verbal counselings, written counselings, departmental written counselings, etc. Everything is a counseling and there's never any real threat unless you are that worried about talking to your boss or boss's boss.
Basically, unions are great if you are lazy or incompetent and want job security and guaranteed raises. If you leech the system long enough you will be impossible to fire also since unions make seniority more important that job performance. If you're a hard worker, and someone who works hard to get raises and promotions, unions are terrible as they ensure you will get no more recognition or reward than any other employee unless you have seniority.