Would you desire an obedient spouse/partner?

@dpk262006 (58676)
Delhi, India
March 15, 2011 12:17am CST
Hi friends! Should your spouse be obedient or not? This was the topic of discussion between me and one of my colleagues. She was of the view that she does not want very obedient partner, while I was of the view that in our hearts of heart, most of us desire to have an obedient spouse/partner. My question to all of you is - Would you like your partner/spouse to be obedient of even if s/he is not obedient, it is fine with you. Please share your views. Thanks for your views in advance.
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• India
15 Mar 11
Another googly from Deepak… I wonder if I should recommend you to the Indian cricket selectors now LOL Now… obedient partner???!!! Well to me, one of the basic principals of a marriage should be equality… our Indian tradition may well pride itself on creating the image of the ever obedient wife as the ideal wife, but the very term for ‘wife’ is ardhangini, meaning ‘the other half’…now, since human civilization is globally patriarchal, naturally we don’t think of the husband as equal or otherwise (naturally, he is superior) but the very definition ‘the other half’ means that both partners are by default, equal…so again, no question of obedience here. Civil marriage is a union between consenting adults… here again, it is expected that both are capable and matured enough to take cognitive decisions for the betterment of their married life… naturally, there should be no question of obedience. Men and women are individuals with their own specific roles and goals in life… it can never be that one of them is an absolute expert in the other’s domain… a healthy marriage should therefore give enough space, dignity and recognition to both to express their views in their own field of expertise… this should not be interpreted as obedience but rather as a cooperation between the spouses for ultimate success and happiness in married life. PS: By now must've understood that I would never desire an ‘obedient’ husband… something that we call ‘joru ka ghulam’ in Hindi and hen-pecked in English. Of course, this takes us to a completely different discussion as to whether hen-pecked husbands are actually weaklings or too much in love with their wives
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• India
16 Mar 11
An obedient hubby would be rather a cause of alarm for me… it would either mean that our marriage is stagnating, or he’s avoiding me or he’s too stupid to argue logically and with dignity…no, marriage for me (at one time) meant, coming to blows with hubby (we are college mates and same age) and a perfectly lazy and well-spent day means a day spent in just chatting and arguing (about everything) with hubby!!! BTW…the way India is performing, I do believe there would be plenty of vacancies for spinners with a magic arm but Sachin???!!! there’s only one of his kind ever (so no chance for me)
• India
16 Mar 11
PS: When are you going to enlighten us about hen-pecked husbands???
@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
15 Mar 11
Hi Sudipta! If my discussion is a googly, then you play it like Sachin Tendulkar and I would also recommend you to BCCI for selecting you in the Indian Cricket team ..........lol! I appreciate your views that wife is called the 'other half' and so is the husband and ideally, there should be an equality between both the partners. I agree that when both have consented to marry and respect each other, there shouldn't be any question of obedience, yet some of the wives/husband expect it. I accept your views that if speace and dignity is provided between a husband and a wife, married life becomes sweeter. I wish your hubby should read your remarkable response that you do not want an obedient hubby. A discussion on hen-pecked husband is a good idea.. Many thanks for sharing your excellent views.
@jennyze (7028)
• Indonesia
15 Mar 11
Nah, I would not want too obedient spouse/ partner that would make life so boring in the end as if he does not have his own opinion, worst I would suspect that he is biding his time to rebel. Not that I want a too strong opinionated spouse/ partner either. I just want someone that can be a good life sparring partner to live with.
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@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
15 Mar 11
Maturity comes with age. It is interesting to know that you do not date younger guys ..........
@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
15 Mar 11
Hi jen! I found your views interesting. However, I feel that obedient does not mean that he would not have his own opinion.. It appears that you want a balanced and matured partner, who could love and respect you. All the best and thanks for dropping in.
@jennyze (7028)
• Indonesia
15 Mar 11
Yes, I guess I always wanted a mature partner. That's why I don't like dating younger guys.
@celticeagle (166976)
• Boise, Idaho
15 Mar 11
Obedient? One who is independant and wise. Easy to talk to and respectful of my feelings. Obedience is for the dogs or some animal you feed and take care of expect to do as you want it to. A wife or husband are individuals with thoughts and feelings all their own. They have no reason to odedient. That is horrible!
@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
15 Mar 11
Hi there! Your views appear very radical and practical to me and I do hope that if you have a partner/spouse, he would feel blessed to have you as his partner. Your views tell that you respect individuality in a relationship and it is a great sign. I really appreciate your views. Plus rated.
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@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
15 Mar 11
You have every right to hold you views and stand for it.
@celticeagle (166976)
• Boise, Idaho
15 Mar 11
My views seem pretty normal to me. I could never be in a submissive relationship.
@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
16 Mar 11
just married - The picture was taken soon after they were married.
Hi deepak, no see for a long time. Well, coming to your topic I must put up that I want an understanding, sympathetic, patient, lovable spouse, not exactly an obedient one who would run when I say run. Before my marriage I had several offers coming from different corners and on inquiry I knew some of them were beautiful but not post graduate, some were post graduate but the bearing was not acceptable. And some were around ten years junior to me. Finally I met a girl who matched all the things I was looking for. Now we have been married for ten years and with a son having a peaceful life. To conclude I would say that not obedient one should see if the would be spouse would be compatible to your ways of thought and action. Nice discussion.
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@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
17 Mar 11
Hi rajib! I was irregular on mylot during second half of 2010. However, am back on mylot in 2011 and I keep taking part in various posts besides starting my own. Have seen your picture, you both look very good and I've posted my comments on your picture. I can understand and appreciate your point that you wanted an understanding and patient spouse, which you got in the form of our Bhabhiji. And I do hope that she is a compatible match for you. Thanks for dropping in and liking the discussion. Deepak
@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
17 Mar 11
Hey deepak, jab bhabi keh diya to ik rishta sa ban gaya. Yes she is is a woman of substance, though it sounds pompous.
@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
18 Mar 11
Of course hum yahaan kadiya jodnay k liyay hai (we are here to join links and make a bonding). You are lucky that 'she' is your wife.
@jaiho2009 (39141)
• Philippines
15 Mar 11
hello dpk, That depends on what to obey. I don't hold my partner like a slave that he has to obey everything that i say. In every relationship,there are things that husband/wife must obey mutually. But it doesn't mean,that every word from your spouse should/must be obeyed. I am not demanding my partner to obey everything that i say. Being obedient doesn't mean to act like a robot or programmed to do everything that a master asks you to do,and obey. Have a great day
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@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
15 Mar 11
Hi Jai! It means you would give due liberty to your partner and would not press him to obey everything like a Robot. However, you would like him to obey some of your commends, is not it? Many thanks for dropping in.
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@nishant5n (1067)
• India
15 Mar 11
Hello, Since you said, "She was of the view that she does not want very obedient partner." The answer is hidden in your discussion. Male -- by nature has dominating attitude due to masculine hormones, so they want obedient partner. Female -- by nature are emotional due to feminine hormones, so they want a bit dominating (quality of masculine gender) partner. So, when we are talking about males, they always wish for an obedient and submissive partner. Because they would love to have a soft, emotional, and delicate partner in the form of female. I think every male will ask for these qualities in his partner; otherwise, there will be no difference between him and her. Female on the other hand love to be ordered by their partner or lover. They want someone who can show his command over her. Someone who has authority on her. They like to be ordered. (This is correct for every female, but yes in limits). Therefore both genders have opposite choices. Since this is the basic nature of their gender due to the inherited hormonal composition of their body. If both by nature are submissive or dominating then there will be no match between them. They both will be identical in their attitude and household will become a war-place then.
@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
15 Mar 11
Hello! Welcome to my post! nishant, at the outset I would like to say that I am thorougly impressed with your analysis. (plus rated). It appears as if you are a Psychologist of have studied human psychology? You have explained very well and I will have to but agree with your analysis based on male and female harmones. But you will agree with me that exceptions are always there and this theory may not hold good in all the cases. I accept your views that both the partens can neither be dominating nor be submissive, as it will make the married life difficult for them. BTW, you have not stated your own wish?
@SViswan (12051)
• India
15 Mar 11
@Nishant...though that is technically true and was valid for a previous generation...it doesn't hold true anymore...atleast in the majority of the cases. It is not hormonal (has been proved) but it is a sociological concept. The hormonal aspect in males and females are undergoing a change due to changing food habits and lifestyles...and that is why we have the metro males and the dominating females...more of them in today's modern world. Earlier, women were EXPECTED to be submissive and would bottle up their emotions and thought process.
@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
15 Mar 11
Before I add anything here, let us see, what Nishant has to say on this.
@SViswan (12051)
• India
15 Mar 11
lol..you know my answer to this one. We have already discussed this. I wouldn't want an obedient husband. Just as I would not like to bossed, I wouldn't want to boss over my husband either. In a relationship, I believe that the couple are partners. And by that I do not mean that responsibilities should be equally divided. But the views and opinions should be given equal importance....and it is not of importance who gets the upper hand. Mutual respect is important. Obedience is not important....but the thinking should be put across properly. I know for sure that I wouldn't be happy if I had an 'obedient' spouse who blindly followed all my rules. I know I wouldn't be able to say anything because I wouldn't be able to put it across properly. But my spouse would lose the respect I have for him...in that case.
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@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
15 Mar 11
Hi! I appreciate your views SV and I understand that you wish to convey that mutual respect and regard for each other is very important in one's married life. If one of the partners blindly follows the other one (as you say) it is also not fair, I agree. Space and invididuality is important between two partners and if both understand this point, then I think married life could be better. Many thanks for joining and sharing. PS - May like to see the response at S.No.2
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
15 Mar 11
Hi Deepak I do not want an obedient partner but I do not want a “tyrannical “ partner. I asked my husband if he would like an obedient partner for which he replied he did not want an “obedient “partner but he neither wanted a “disobedient” partner. He wanted only a person who “lives and let lives”[ I can of course puff up and say “collars up”to myself.] To let you into a secret , I was called an "obedient" woman by acquaintances and friends who knew me.
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
16 Mar 11
Incidentally, Deepak, I tried posting another continuation to this response which just failed to get through twice. There I had written thta my husband objects to this statement of my being an "obedient' person. And moreover, Iwould also like to add one thing. 'Obedient' ought not to be the word used Deepak, in relation to partners. The word itself would bring people's backs up.'Compliant' or' flexible/adaptable' may be accepted. In our patriarchal system it is an accpeted fact that women are slightly more compliant than their menfolk.
@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
16 Mar 11
Hi Kala! Good Morning! To live and let live is the best proposition for a married couple and if one of them desires taht the other should be 'obedient' or 'disobedient', that would be considered as 'extreme' situation. It is interesting to hear that you used to be an 'obedient' woman in the era gone by.. Thanks for dropping in.
@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
16 Mar 11
OK! I take your point that obedient word should not be used in relation to partners.
@tjburcham (690)
• United States
16 Mar 11
I don't no what your meaning of obedient. Are you meaning submissive? No thoughts of their own? I think it's wonderful to see a couple that are independent but work together in all aspects of eachothers lives.
@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
18 Mar 11
tj! Very well said. I wish you get the desired partner.
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@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
17 Mar 11
What qaulities would you like to have in your partner? Would you like her/him to be submissive or otherwise?
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• United States
17 Mar 11
A partner in life is just that. An equal. Working together with love and encouragement without compromising the relationship to eachother. To allow for individual growth as well as growing together. Respect for themselves and eachother.
@ckyera (17331)
• Philippines
18 Mar 11
hi dpk! of course I would want an obedient partner but not to the point of him acting like my slave. lol! I think it would be good if both of us will be obedient with each other at the right time and situations. I think that way, conflicts will not rise coz we are able to satisfy each others want.
@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
19 Mar 11
Hi ck! Nice to see you here on board. I agree with you that even if we want an obedient partner (to some extent) s/he should not be treated as slave. Mutual respect and understanding is important between two partners so that life could run smoothly. Thanks for dropping in. Have a great day! Deepak
@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
20 Mar 11
I agree with you that if mutual respect is there, everything will follow. Keep enjoying your 'free' internet, as long as you can.
@ckyera (17331)
• Philippines
20 Mar 11
hi deepak! yeah! and i am also very happy to be back and enjoying the "free" internet connection that we have now. lol! yup! respect and love should always be there and everything will follow, i guess.
@saphrina (31551)
• South Africa
15 Mar 11
Hi sweetie. What is obedience actually? You get that from a pet. No person need to be obedient in a relationship. Just be yourself and everything will be just fine.
@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
20 Mar 11
Was not your leish obedient?
@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
16 Mar 11
Hi Saph! The dictionary meaning of Obedient is - dutifully complying with the commands or instructions of those in authority and Obedience means The quality or condition of being obedient. It is appropriate when someone uses these words for pets. However, some of the parteners expect their spouse to follow their leads/instructions. I can understand your point that one should not lose one's indviduality. Thanks for dropping in.
@saphrina (31551)
• South Africa
17 Mar 11
Sounds funky to me, though. Sorry, there is no way i will ever be obedient then. My leish went missing.
@jennyze (7028)
• Indonesia
15 Mar 11
Nah, I would not want too obedient spouse/ partner that would make life so boring in the end as if he does not have his own opinion, worst I would suspect that he is biding his time to rebel. Not that I want a too strong opinionated spouse/ partner either. I just want someone that can be a good life sparring partner to live with.
@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
15 Mar 11
You submitted your response twice .........lol!
@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
15 Mar 11
No need, hopefully, it happened unintentionally.
@jennyze (7028)
• Indonesia
15 Mar 11
Wow, So sorry, I guess I should reported myself on abuse now.
@SIMPLYD (90722)
• Philippines
16 Mar 11
Well of course i would like an obedient husband. But not that obedient , wherein he doesn't even contest what you are suggesting or saying. It will not be a sound relationship, if the husband is so obedient of the wife and vice versa. It would be better that each of their ideas should be discussed before the implementation of something . That way, the best if being brought out from the both of you.
@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
16 Mar 11
Hi simplyed! Atleast you showed the courage to say that you desire an obedient hubby, even if the degree of obedience may vary.. I agree with your rest of the views about equality in partners. PS - The picture in your avatar looks very good.
@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
17 Mar 11
You appear beautiful in this picture with your smiling face.
@SIMPLYD (90722)
• Philippines
17 Mar 11
Thanks! That picture was taken last year though. But i still look the same until now.
• Fiji
17 Mar 11
Hello :) i think that when your partner does everything you want and always agrees with you is interesting only at the beginning. then you just become bored of that. because you see that he/she just loses himself/herself in you and always waits for you to say what to do and what to think. so i do not think that the obedient partner could make anyone happy
@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
18 Mar 11
Welcome to mylot family! Your points are worth considering and should be acted upon. Very well said.
• Fiji
18 Mar 11
thank you very much :)
• Canada
18 Mar 11
My husband and I do not believe that one spouse should obey another. There is no room for obedience in equal relationships. People need to work together as a team, with no one leading, and no one following. For too long women have been expected to be obedient to men, and in some countries, this is still an expectation. The world needs to change, and people need to be treated as equals, no longer being oppressed by ideas of domination, submission, and obedience.
@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
18 Mar 11
hi danish! You and your partner appear to be very lucky as you have a good level of understanding and you believe in independence of each other. Wish you all the best.
• United States
15 Mar 11
The only way I would be obedient is if I were to marry . But with this my poor husband would never get close to me. I wouldn't let him. It would be warfare. And I wouldn't respect him. but then again I wouldn't respect a obedient husband either. I would mistrust each " yes dear" he would say. I would assume he is planning something. In short I wouldn't trust any husband of mine. But If I'm a girlfriend, I get to be myself fully. And I don't instantly obey Any rule. It has to be explained.But talking anything out isn't a problem when you love And respect each other. And since I'm free to be myself , I Want my guy to be himself. I'm lucky , with my guy we agree on almost everything! Neither " obey" we just agree to do whatever.
• United States
16 Mar 11
Thanks my friend.
@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
16 Mar 11
Hi there! I can understand your points and it is heartening to hear that you are lucky with your guy and you have great level of understanding between both of you.
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@nangisha (3496)
• Indonesia
17 Mar 11
I think having a obedient partner will be boring. I think its better with someone who I can share what in my mind even we end up in fight and its better than just silent. I think relationship is to make both happy and not just one. So I there is one person who force to obey the others its really suck and unhealthy relationship.
@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
17 Mar 11
hi nan! You do not want to feel bored, therefore, an obedient partner does not suit you. Are you married?
@katie0 (5203)
• Japan
17 Mar 11
I surely would like. My selfish part loves that, but it's not fair. I had other boyfriends but now I have this one that doesn't listen to me 100% and you know what? It's good, he is the one that really made me grow up. To our selfish part an obedient is great, to learn things in the school of life? Nope. We have to have differences and someone that also put us back where we belong.
@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
17 Mar 11
Hi Kat! Atleast you showed the courage to state that your selfish part wants an obedient partner, whether it is fair or unfait, that is a different issue. You are right that when you have differences with others, you get to learn a lot. Thanks for sharing.
@annapplez (208)
• Australia
17 Mar 11
You have used the word partner and that is really important. A relationship is a partnership not a dictatorship. Although some rules should be followed of course, like fidelity and honesty, I don't think anyone should be expected to follow directions like a puppy. And it's not really being obedient if your partner is considerate enough to request rather than demand.
@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
17 Mar 11
So you wouldn't like to have an obedient partner but the one who has the guts to put forth his/her views?
• India
17 Mar 11
Obedient determines a hierarchical relationship between persons. In such a situation there is no mutual obedience. On the other hand marriage should be based on man woman relationship based on love and trust and cannot be hierarchical. For where there is love, obedience becomes mutual. We live in a world where values are determined by patriarchal system. So an absolute obedience of wife is expected. Where there is love, mutual respect and mutual obedience will unfold.
@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
17 Mar 11
Very well said. Welcome to mylot.