If white people would only try harder, they'd be as well off as Asian-Americans.
By Taskr36
@Taskr36 (13963)
United States
March 19, 2011 3:32pm CST
If you agree with this statement, you are racist against white people. Much to my surprise, I myself am racist against white people.
As many of you know, this tripe came from a study designed to prove that the tea parties were racist and the question of trying harder was actually comparing black people to white people, not white people to Asian-Americans. The left, including the NAACP, jumped all over this stupid poll, that was clearly conducted by people with an agenda who had no idea how to do a proper poll. That question alone doesn't show racism or lack there-of, what it shows is that some people think society gives all races a fair shot while others do not.
Personally, I think everyone has a fair shot and I believe that the reason Asian Americans earn more than white Americans, or any other group, is that they believe in the American dream and by far work the hardest to achieve that dream. The fact that a racist president imprisoned many of them in concentration camps less than 70 years ago has done nothing to change that. They don't use it as an excuse for failure. In fact, many survivors of Roosevelt's concentration camps made excellent lives for themselves including celebrities like George Takei and Pat Morita.
There is NOTHING racist about the statement above, but those who want an excuse to fail will eagerly cling to the idea that it is and that society is to blame for their failures, not their own work ethic.
Do you think people just need to try harder to be better off? Do you think our society is racist and designed to make sure that Asian-Americans succeed more than other races?
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
20 Mar 11
I believe that the left continuously calls on the race card. If they have nothing productive to say (which is most times) then this is a favorite.
People that use racism as an excuse for their failure will always be one.
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
19 Mar 11
That's that great social science for you. There's no "science" in it at all. You implant a thought to make people say what you want them to say.
When the question was asked to TPers, there was no answer given--in terms of agree/disagree, the only options--which wouldn't make them out to be racial/ists.
Agree? So you say blacks don't try hard enough.
Disagree? So you say blacks can never be as well off as whites.
The big revelation was that TPers thought in terms of race. Well, no f'n sh&t! That's exactly how it was framed. If you're a white TPer, already accused of being a racist, and someone comes along asking you racially-charged questions, you know it's curtains. Refuse to answer, you're a racist; anything you do say, it can and will be used against you in a court of public opinion. It's bogus.
The question isn't actually a question. It's presented as statement of fact: black people are not as well off as white people. FAIL from the start.
The question posed is legitimate in the sense that all people can succeed in America. But when it's presented to people as if all black people are disadvantages and all white people are well off, it's completely ridiculous and people should be ashamed to carry that crap around.
Go through Kentucky and Alabama and countless other places and see that trailer courts outnumber projects by 12:1 and then say white are somehow well off.
Ahh. This has been bothering me for a year. I despise this sort of twisted crap to play a victim and to twist people into becoming racists.
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@rogue13xmen13 (14403)
• United States
20 Mar 11
It's so true! If whites try and work much harder and smarter, we could be on the same level as Asian-Americans. My Asian friends work so hard because so much pressure is put on them to be smarter and better than what they are.
@rogue13xmen13 (14403)
• United States
21 Mar 11
Yeah, many of my Asian friends, if they do not succeed in life, it's not just a "your a failure" from their parents, it's a "you have completely dishonored the whole family and you should horribly ashamed of yourself", it's pretty much the end of the world for that person. Failure is not an option, you have to succeed, that's it! There are no "if's", "and's" or "but's". Success is it.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
21 Mar 11
You're right. It seems that they are taught from birth to achieve and that success is not only possible, it is expected. Many American families fail to instill that in their children with some teaching their children that their dreams are unrealistic and discouraging them to avoid disappointment if and when they fail.
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@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
19 Mar 11
I do not see how they can really believe that white people are worse off than Asian Americans in the first place.
Just take a look at the Forbes listing of the richest people in America - Asian Americans aren't there!
Here is a link to the listing - http://www.forbes.com/wealth/forbes-400
Everyone has a shot at getting rich in this country and you don't even have to be real smart or work real hard. Also, I know a lot of hardworking people of all races/ethnicities who never get anywhere.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
19 Mar 11
Asian Americans average an income that is $12,000 higher than the average person in America and $7,000 higher than the average white person. There may not be any on the Forbes 400, but think, when was the last time you saw an Asian person on the side of the road begging for money?
http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2011/tables/11s0694.pdf
@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
22 Mar 11
I think a lot of the problem is how we measure sucess.
Money and possessions should not be the only measure of success. Many people with high educational degrees never make a lot of money and a lot of money does not make people happy.
There has to be balance in a person's life. They need more than high grades in school and making more money than someone else to be a "success".
Many Asian Americans push for high levels of education and good grades. Many other Americans go to far teh other way and do not push at all. We need to find a happy medium. Educated people who are qualified to do jobs that they enjoy and a satisfying home and family. That is true "success".
@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
19 Mar 11
When I see a girl of Asian descent who moved to the US at the age of 10, speaking no English, who becomes valedictorian of her graduating class in high school, I realize that there is something that sets her apart. Perhaps it has to do with her individual intelligence and drive, but that doesn't explain the great success of so many Asian-Americans.
I think that much of it is a matter of culture and what is valued in that culture. If hard work and academic success is valued and the importance of goals is stressed, the achievements will be higher.
Are we stressing hard work and the importance of goals when we teach classes bi-lingually to "help" non-English speaking students? Maybe we are hindering their success, because we are telling them we don't think they can succeed without our help, without special treatment and accommodations.
I still believe that anyone can succeed if they have the drive and the ambition, if they want it badly enough. If we are not instilling that sort of drive in our children, we cannot expect them to succeed.
A Chinese-American author came under fire lately for her book, Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother, in which she wrote that Chinese women make the best mothers. She details the strict rules imposed on her as a child - all studies, no play. There were studies and music lessons but no television and no sleepovers.
Our American culture has become one of excuses and special accommodations. Although there are times these are necessary, they are too often the norm rather than the exception.
So, I think that Asian Americans are smart, driven, hard-working and wired for achievement. I think a lot of white Americans have become lazy with an overdeveloped sense of entitlement. Am I a racist? No,I am a realist. Denying something doesn't make it untrue.
Non-Asian mothers may not want to employ Tiger Mother methods as they think they are too draconian. But maybe we don't all have to be as permissive and undemanding as we are. The best thing about comparing and contrasting, even if it's considered non-PC, is that we can learn from each other.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
19 Mar 11
I agree, it's a cultural thing. My wife is a piano teacher and there is a massive difference in the way Asian parents deal with their children's music education than other parents. For one thing they don't make excuses if their child doesn't study. They simply make sure the kid does his work to study and practice at home so she knows they'll never come in with excuses about why the child hasn't mastered what they were taught. They are by far the easiest students.
Personally, I would not use the "Tiger Mother" methods, but that's because it's not how I was raised and it's not natural for me or my wife. If I felt I was raised poorly, and needed to break a pattern, I would. As it is I'll stick with what I know and do my best to be as good as my parents in some ways, and better in other ways.
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@lynnemg (4529)
• United States
19 Mar 11
I think that there are many problems with society and the country as a whole It is not a race issue, but a PEOPLE issue. If any person wants to better themself, they have to work hard to reach their goals. I don't care if you are a man or woman, black, white or pink with yellow stripes....the fact remains the same....you are your own person and only you can change the situation you are in. If you want something, you have to work for it and you have to work hard. You cannot sit around belly-aching about the things in your life because that isn't going to help you at all. You have to be willing, as a PERSON to stand up and get motivated to make your life what you want it to be.
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@djbtol (5493)
• United States
20 Mar 11
I think everyone needs to try their best (regardless of race). If they are not willing to do that, then they do not deserve to receive handouts. Unfortunately, those who live off of handouts are in the perfect training program to stay there.
For those who want to focus on race, then I would say the the minorities have been given quite a head start in the US and must be absolutely lazy if they are not leading the pack.
Even apart from race, there will always be inequalities in money and power. Those that come from money and power will certainly have more opportunities to get ahead in life. That is not something to be mad about, it is just a fact of life.
Those who do not have the social standing they want, are then challenged to go after it with everything they have. Many have done that and made great strides.
@sid556 (30960)
• United States
22 Mar 11
Hmnn, could it be that our government will give them loans at a really low interest rate to come over here and buy gas stations, convenience stores? Once they buy them, they get rid of all the employees and hire on their own families. If they were to come to America and start over without all the help that our government gives them, I wonder if they would be as successful??
@dainy1313 (2370)
• Leon, Mexico
19 Mar 11
Hello Taskr36 I think that fool people, with lack of intelligence are racists. Where their mind ends the racism begins. In my country we do not have Asian-americas, but there´s racism, though.
I think that when people strikes with the end of their brain, they need to feel superior in one way, and there racism begins.
My country, as every country of the world is very racial mixed by now. Spain with mayas, aztecs, chichimecs, and so on. Then europeans and americans get mixed here too. We have no asian roots. But racism is live.
I am brunnette, and my husband is blond. So I am sensible to racism. I know that in my country the blond people (specially light eyed) is more accepted, since we almost are bruns and with dark eyes. Read something funny, cute and tender: I lived in Paris for 6 months, too long ago, I was in the subway tunnel and suddenly a lovely blue/green eyed blonded mature woman, stopped me. She grabbed me by my shoulders and said: OMG you have BROWN EYES!!!! Hahahaha I´ll never forget that lovely woman.
So, I think that when we can´t love people, that means even we can´t love ourselves, we became looking for foolish excuses.
God just looks to the soul. Don´t you think so? Blessings!... Dainy
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
21 Mar 11
People inherently gather in goups of the familiar. After all, I do not like to drive fast or ride in a fast car, so I tend not to hang around race car drivers.
This has nothing to with racism, its just human nature. People trust what is familiar. People like to be around those who are like themselves.
The REAL racism is when one group uses political power or physical intimadation to force the other group into submission. The REAL racism in our world is overlooked and not seen, because we are all so worried about being politically correct. It demeans those in this world who LIVE WITH actual hard core racism, for the word to be bandied about as it is for no good reason.
And then, if we take an objective look at who it was that promoted and fed into the racism in our own countries past there'd be more liberals and democrats with hoods on than not. It was the democrats who were the majority pro slavery in the 1860's.
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/jimcrow/stories_org_democratic.html
Yet they are the ones throwing the word around at republicans.
Do we try and make sure one race succeeds over another, not in the case of Asians. For the most part, they are a very motivated and responsible people. Motivation and responsibility=success. I'd worry if they weren't successful, that would mean something else was holding them back.