Some Serious Questions
By debrakcarey
@debrakcarey (19887)
United States
April 10, 2011 12:20pm CST
Is it hate speech to speak out against an ideology intent on world domination?
http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2010/08/hate-speech.html
Is it racist to critized Islam?
http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2010/09/is-it-racist-to-criticize-islam.html
Should we treat Islam as a religion that deserves respect or as a political ideology intent on world domination?
http://www.inquiryintoislam.com/2010/08/islams-prime-directive.html
How can we critiseze Islam, are we not guilty of hatred and abuse too?
http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2011/03/achilles-heel-of-west.html
61% of the Quran is about non Muslims. Writings about what Muslims should do is religious. Writings about what non-Muslims should do or how Muslims should deal with non-Muslims is political. Islam is not just a religion, it is a political ideology.
Countries in Europe are basically held hostage to Sharia Law. Free speech does not exist when newspapers have to cave into Islam and agree not to publish cartoons due to riots and asssassinations and destruction of property. If Islam reveres the Prophet, that is religious. If they force others to revere him, that is political.
Think about this when you defend Islam. Yes, I agree, there are many peaceful Muslims. And everyone has an inalienable right to practice their religion in peace. I've had serious and productive conversations with those peaceful Muslims. I have no problem with the Religion of Islam. But I do have a serious problem with the Politics of Islam. What about you? Please take the time to review the links provided.
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5 responses
@urbandekay (18278)
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10 Apr 11
I am a little surprised to see you defending the right to criticise but there is an old expression; sticks and stone...
Racism is really about how we treat others not about censuring speech
all the best urban
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@urbandekay (18278)
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10 Apr 11
Indeed it is not but then let us say cultural prejudice, but where as all people are equal, that is of equal value not equal capacity not all cultures are equal.
For instance, it would be ludicrous to suggest that the culture of Nazi Germany or South Africa under apartheid is equal to my own or many others. Which is alone not to say that any culture is without value or that their is some linear hierarchy of cultures. That aside, both cultures can benefit from interaction and criticism
So, clearly it is not racist and nor is it culturally prejudice
all the best urban
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
10 Apr 11
Prejudice has a negative meaning in the minds of some people. Is there ever a case where prejudice is a good thing? As in the truest sense of the word, to prejudge as good or bad? Can we judge a thing and not be negative in our intent. I'm leaving myself wide open here, I know. 
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
10 Apr 11
Glad to see you urban.
The question is...is it racist to criticise Islam? If the critsism is justified or brings about constructive dialoge, is it racist? And btw...Islam is not a race, it is an religious political ideology. Just for the record.2 people like this
@Netsbridge (3253)
• United States
10 Apr 11
Telling the truth or speaking up and out, however hurtful, is not racist. If the truth being said happens to be against the acts of an entire bunch all of the same race or ethnic group, then it is not the fault of the speaker that the entire group agreed on malicious and diabolic acts against people!
@Netsbridge (3253)
• United States
11 Apr 11
Debrakcarey, you and most people somehow refuse to see that all the government entities you have mentioned above are the the worst terrorists on planet Earth! I can guarantee that almost everyone on the lists of the US, EU, England, France, NATO, UN, etc. are on these lists for merely having enough commonsense to understand the activities of these governments!
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
11 Apr 11
This is a list on terror organizations on wikepedia. If you scroll down you can clink on links to Australia's list, England's list, EU's list and even a Russian list of terror organizations. All or most are Islamic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_designated_terrorist_organizations
Another from the US State Department. Out of 47 listed, 36 are clearly Islamic organizations.
http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/other/des/123085.htm
It's pretty clear to our state department who the terrorists are. I only wish our college professors and other liberals were as aware.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
13 Apr 11
I by no means support the UN. I've never said I support the activities of these entities when it comes to war or their human rights records. I do not know where your coming from when you say I refuse to see anything?
The listings I posted are just facts, nothing more. And I'm sure the groups on them feel they are freedom fighters and NOT terrorists. But that doesn't mean squat to me when they go about fighting for freedom by targeting and killing civilians going about their daily lives. You say they have commonsense to understand the activities of the governments (and UN) listed, do they? You've spoken with them about their goals? That's a pretty sweeping statement to make considering they all have different goals. Some want complete destruction of the US and Israel, some want to defeat the Sunni's and take control of the Saudi oil fiels. It sounds as if you sympathize with these terror groups? Do you? Help me understand where you are coming from if I am wrong in how I take what you say. If it is wrong for the European countries and America to go to war, what makes it right for these terror groups to go to war? Isn't it wrong to kill innocent civilians, no matter who is doing it?
@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
11 Apr 11
Since Islam is not a race, it is not racist to criticize it. As for the rest, we in the USA have freedom of religion and should recognze that those who practice the religious aspects of Islam jave every right to do so. As for the political aspect of Islam, the USA has an established political system based on our Constitution and any political system which seeks to establish itself outside of those sacred Articles is acting against the law and the individuals responsible should be subject to the same punishments that any other person would be subject to. If my neighbor assaults someone, he can be put jail. If he beats his wife or kills his kids for whatever reason, he can be put in jail or executed. Muslims should not be excused for the crimes advocated by Sharia law by hiding behind the name of a religion.
@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
11 Apr 11
Yes, it's true many of our leaders are sraying far away from the Constitution. I always come back to this: The sacred Aticles are sacred, but people have tried to throw God out of every facet of our society and he is showing us what will take his place if we turn away from him. When I see those things on the news and think about Sharia law, I pray...a lot. Maybe God is sending us the Muslims because we ARE still a Christian nation and they need what we have to offer. Not politics, but Christ. We can still overcome the evil with good.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
11 Apr 11
I agree with you. But have you not noticed that we aren't acting within those sacred Articles, haven't been for a while now. I've seen court cases where criminals like you have described, OJ being one...who are NOT punished for their crimes because of the liberal mind set of our judges and citizens.
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@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
10 Apr 11
Hi debrakcarey,
This is a huge discussion and can not be finished within few lines.
Like the hatred between a Christian and a Jew there has been contradiction in the perspective between Hindus and Muslims.
I had no idea that in Europe clash between Muslim and non Muslim has been a long long story and now this is overt. The under carpet thing came out when France disallowed Muslim women wearing Burka.
Personally II am not against the principles of the Quran or the Muslim but as you have put stress on that is political thing I too do not go with them. I will give you just an example. You know Cricket is very popular sport event in the Asian subcontinent and the big name there are Pakistan and India. While Pakistan is an Islamic country, India is secular. That the religion turns politics is the game is when in the international match Pakistan wins over India the Indian Muslim are overjoyed and throw parties and if India wins there is nothing enthusisastic gesture from their side.
Now what is this? You are Indian, you are get everything from India and treated equally as a Hindu is treatwd why you are tilted towards Pakistan? Is it your being Muslim or Muslim politics or what
I have been still looking for an answer but have not reached to any suitable one as yet.
I will come again....
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
10 Apr 11
You bring up a good point. They will turn their back on their nation of origin and side with their co religionists. Even if it is 'only' about a sports team and who wins. Could it be that they would turn on India if a Islamic country invaded or threatened politically? I think so. That is why I fear the growing Islamic influence in my own country. My leaders would tell me that these are simply Americans who deserve more protection for their beliefs than I enjoy. But their beliefs are such as that it is their religious duty to impose them on me. Where is the logic of that?
I do take exception with your statement on hatred between Christian and Jew. I've studied this subject and it is an exageration. There are many Christians such as myself that support Israel's right to exist specifically because of our common scriptures. There has in history been 'Christians' who hated Jews...but if you look into their true beliefs on other things you find that they weren't following the teachings of the Bible or of the founder of Christianity, who was a Jew. It is not a teaching of Jesus to hate the Jews. It was not a teaching of the apostle Paul (who is credited with writing much of the New Testament) to hate the Jews.
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@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
10 Apr 11
Well, I accept that the ill feeling between Christians and the Jews has been more talked about than it is.
That Mohammedanism is not simply a way of life has been proved in many a case. Assam, where I live (we live ) is in the North East part of India sharing international boarder with Bangladesh. After the erstwhile East Pakistan got independent in 1972 and had their name as Bangladesh then started the flow of the Bangladeshi immigrants to our province Assam. Now situation is that in the Legislative Assembly Election they have become a big factor as to who will form the government.
See, where the religion and where the religion boosted politics. If the infiltration does not stop within 10 years from now our state (province) would be under Islamic rule or it could be attached to Bangladesh.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
10 Apr 11
And how do you feel about this? I would worry very much about the possibility of being under Islamic sharia law. Is it an issue in your community?
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@Jo1272 (49)
• United States
11 Apr 11
I consider myself a Christian. In my belief we are to love our brothers and sisters. We are taught not to judge on any basis or idealogy. I think the politics of Islam and the confusion of the people have negatively impacted the Islam people.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
11 Apr 11
I too am a believer in Jesus. But I would point out to you that He dealt with individuals and the New Testament teaches the same. God does love the world, the people in it. But each individual is responsible before God for what is in their heart. I love the Muslim people. I've had some really great friendships with them online. And I listened to them tell me about their beliefs with patience and understanding. BUT when I said anything about my beliefs, they cut off the conversation and friendship.
If you look at their doctrine (so to speak) there is no denying that their politics is a direct result of the prophets teachings. Whereas Jesus taught that we are not of this world and His kingdom is not of this world, Mohammed taught that Allah wills the entire world to follow Islam. The word Islam means 'submit' and that is what they are working for. Their religion and their politics are one in the same.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
14 Apr 11
How's this for confusion Jo?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REQdgJRhfPE
