ID to vote

I agree, most CITIZENS and thinking people have no problem showing their id to vote or receive benefits.

oops s/r "benefits"

You got that right. It is by no means an inconvenience. I've never understood how people could leave their driver's license at home. If a person is going somewhere, he or she is usually going to take money. Money (paper or plastic) is almost always stored in some kind of wallet or purse, and for the last 50 years they've had little slots specifically for driver's licenses. It's like the wallet makers are making it easy for us. Whodathunk?

maters - I agree. And if they are legal citizens, if they are homeless, how likely are they to vote anyway? Debra - great point!

Hell of a standard to set!

He wait a minute masterfish...our prez don't have to show any of those things, why should we?

mrcool, thank you again. sheesh, I go to work and all hell breaks out in my discussion! lol thank you

There was much complaining, and I still see bumper stickers lamenting his election 11 years later. As for Obama, he hasn't proved anything. The records are sealed (if they exist) so nobody can be certain. We can't prove anything one way or the other until we see hard evidence. If he's got nothing to hide, why not let it out in the open? He's acting like a liar, and that keeps the birthers going.

Avonrep1, we are not a democracy. We are a republic.

Here you have to register in advance. These are simple requirements. If you cant remember that there will be an election in two months, you most likely dont even know who is running or why.

How can they know I am not voting in your name?

I've wondered that. Show up in the morning dressed in business clothes and vote for yourself, then show up again an hour later dressed casually and vote as your neighbor, then show up at shift change dressed one way and vote as your workaholic boss, then change clothes and vote again as someone else. I'm sure it happens, and with these small-time elections I'm sure few people notice or care.

He is right on track in that strategy as well.

I agree. Voter fraud and disenfranchising voters is a Democrat specialty. Read the history of Reconstruction and what happened when the Democrats got back in power afterwards.

And then there's ACORN. Read the Cloward Pivens Strategy as well. Get as many signed up for welfare as possible and the flood the voting booths with welfare recipients, get undocumented aliens to the polls. They have had this all planned from the earliest days of our the last century. Social change isn't a new idea Obama came up with in 2008. He's well aware of the STRATEGY.

I don't consider myself Democrat or a Republican, I consider myself an American voter. I have to disagree with your comments about democrats, the main reason why is lets look at Bush, he never won the popular vote either election. But he was still President. He's a republican not a democrat. Speaking of which that is partly what is wrong with out country, Political parties that mud sling on fellow citizens. It is wrong and when I see people doing stuff like this it makes me sick.

I do not claim to be one or the other party in fact if you look back at my posts you would see I slam both sides very often. Just in this case I agree with the republicans in that people should show proof of who they are to vote. Illegal is illegal and they should not be permitted to vote in our countries anything. The Democrats know that with all their talk of helping illegals if no one checks to see if the voters are nationals they will have many illegal votes and no proof to say if they are or not. As for Bush or Obama that is not what this is actually about. I think many Democrats see that who they have in power right now is not living up to even the standards of many of their own. I also think to take some of the light off of issues such as budget,Libya,economy they will push lesser issues into the light. It is politics after all and that is what they do, all of them, smoke and mirrors. I personally believe both parties should be dissolved letting people not affiliated with money funding parties into the spot light so that we the people can vote for someone who might actually figure out a way to make this mess better. I have yet to see in my life time a president that actually makes me proud to be an American and that is men from both parties.

@Avonrep-- Read your Constitution. Presidential elections are decided by the Electoral College, not by popular vote. In fact, in addition to the 2000 elections, the 1876 and 1888 elections went to the candidate with fewer popular votes too. If you don't like it, lobby your representative to introduce an amendment to the Consitution abolishing the Electoral college. It's been tried before, obviously unsuccessfully, several times. Who knows though, maybe this time it'll pass. As far as mud slinging on the other party, Pot meet Kettle, deal with the log in your eye before the mote in mine, pick your cliche. Both parties do it, but in my experience the Republicans do it less.

we get voter registration cards too, but our polling places require a photo id.

great point. I have had to produce one here for the last 13 years. I have had no problem with it.

President Bush is a republican not a democrat and he never won the popular vote, I consider that voter fraud. Its both parties not just one or the other. The problem is people are not informed and only 20% normally go out and vote. I think the 2008 elections got people to be out spoken about things that in reality has been going on because of one thing. Color of the skin. Racism is alive and well in this country. People have been committing voter fraud since voting started. ID's will stop some of this, but all it means is that people will find another new way to fraud the government and the people.

Taskr, thank you for clarifying for avonrep. Also see above where mrcool explains the Constitutional facts of the electoral college.

The popular vote has NEVER been a requirement to be elected president. The electoral college process is clearly spelled out in the Constitution. Sadly, it seems you have no idea what voter fraud is. I'll spell it out for you. Voter fraud is when someone votes illegally. It can happen by voting more than once, voting in areas you are not allowed to vote in, voting when you do not have the right to vote either by age, or by losing that right, or voting under another person's name. Those are just a few.

wow - so um er, vote early and vote often eh?

I agree completely!