Hurting your own children
By dorannmwin
@dorannmwin (36392)
United States
April 13, 2011 11:31pm CST
Well, I was going with my husband to the doctor's office today and I heard about a woman in New York that had purposely driven her car into the Hudson River, killing herself and several of her children. That reminded me of the woman just a few months ago that shot both of her children and killed them at point blank range.
With all of that said, I'm a mother of two wonderful children and I will admit that there are times that they get on my nerves and just annoy me in general. However, there has never been a time that I can think of where I would want to hurt either of them (or if there has been it is a passing thought that I would never act on). But, I know that no matter what either of them did, I would never consider killing them.
How about all of the other parents out there. . .Have you ever thought about purposefully hurting your own children? What do you think it is that makes women kill their own children in cold blood like that?
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@katsmeow1213 (28716)
• United States
14 Apr 11
Basically those women just aren't right in the head. I know better than anyone that parenting isn't easy. There've been many times where I've had to use every ounce of self control not to do something I'd regret later. In some ways I can understand shaken baby syndrome because I remember having times when I was that stressed out that if I didn't know better I could have done something stupid.
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@katsmeow1213 (28716)
• United States
14 Apr 11
I wasn't done.. but hubby came in and started grabbing stuff off my desk then dropped his wallet and it hit my keyboard so the post entered itself.. I guess that's better than losing the post completely and needing to start over.
Anyways, the point is, parents do have to be smart enough and exhibit some self control. Even if that self control consists of walking away from the child until you've cooled down, or calling someone to help you out, or going online to your friends and vent.
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@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
22 Apr 11
You are right, I think that self control is one of the most important traits for a parent to have. I have ended up screaming at the kids and I've also locked myself in a room to cool off for a little bit. But I can honestly say that I've never done anything in my years of parenting that I truly regret.
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@hardworkinggurl (37063)
• United States
14 Apr 11
Poor babies, oh my God I can't imagine ever being so stressed where I would intentionally and or attempt to kill my children. Although not an excuse all I can think is that the women had to be either mentally unstable and or in some form of deep depression. Such a horrible act to have happened.
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@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
25 Apr 11
It is a horrible act to have had happen. Now there are parents that kill their children indirectly and those acts make me sick. This kind of act is completely unforgivable, where a mother that has simple made a mistake might eventually be able to be forgiven.
@obe212003 (2299)
• Philippines
14 Apr 11
i got six sons [with an additional one on the way] and just imagine how our home environment is! Discipline is a big task resorting to a lot psychological thinking, and sometimes physical action also as an option [hopefully the last alternative]. But i would never ever would purposely hurt my children as that would be crucial in their development.
I think the mother, as above, was not in her right mind to do such unforgivable act! She must be suffering from a lot of pain, confusion and delusion..
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@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
22 Apr 11
First of all, congratulations on the upcoming addition to your family. I can't really imagine what your home environment is like because sometimes with the two that I've got, it is close to being more than I can handle.
With that said, I really don't like to spank the kids, but sometimes it is necessary to do that as well.
@Draximbaz (33)
• Israel
14 Apr 11
Heinous crime I may say. That kind of woman have no heart or maybe have a nervous breakdown already. The question is "What drive them to do such things?" Maybe financial problem or maybe something that really make their mind out of control and kill even their own children. It's very heartbreaking if you know some incident like that.
Children are precious and they bring happiness to the family so we need to take good care of them and our responsibility is to give them good life.
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
22 Apr 11
Well, I can certainly say that I have been through a lot of stress in my life and there are times that my children do drive me insane. With that said, even on the worst days that I've had, I would never consider taking the lives of my innocent children.
@sept0580 (19)
• Philippines
14 Apr 11
I am mother of a 9-year-old and a 1-year-old. Both of them are boys. My eldest son would sometimes really test my patience that I guess is really normal for his age. It would sometimes get me mad and would really wanted to beat him, but I just couldn't do it. There are times that I will really loose patience and spank him slightly, but afterwards I feel like crying because no matter what, it's just a child, and it's normal for them to misbehave. Killing your own child not something that a normal human being is expected to do. I could say that a mom who kills her own child is not insane, and there's something wrong with her brain.
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@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
22 Apr 11
No, it definitely is not normal. The only time that I've ever spanked either of my children is when they have done something that would put themselves or others in danger. Even with that, it still hurts me to have to spank them.
@martinnshann (340)
• Bahrain
14 Apr 11
Hurting my kids is for disciplinary purposes only. I'm not saying that I am always hurting them for them to be good. I'm just doing that act for them to behave properly and learn their mistakes. It's not happening all the time, I only initiating it when they are unreasonably not behaving well or sometimes disrespecting others. But too much physical infliction of pain to your children is not reasonable to the eyes of others and especially to God. No matter what happens, he/she still comes from you.
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
22 Apr 11
I do use spanking as a disciplinary method when the children are putting themselves or others in danger. However, I don't use physical punishment at all if they are not putting anyone in danger.
@shaggin (72141)
• United States
14 Apr 11
Usually with things like this its caused by severe post partum depression. Did the woman have a baby within the last year? Whatever the case it is truly horric. If someone doesnt want their children give them up to foster care dont kill them and yourself. Gosh I get so sick reading things like this. What a horrible mother!
@shaggin (72141)
• United States
22 Apr 11
I had post partum depression after having my first child my daughter. I didnt have it after my son though thankfully. I never thought of hurting my kids either but I've heard about it on tv so I know that for some reason that does happen. Its sad. With my post partum I just felt like the baby wasent mine. Like I knew she was because I gave birth to her I just felt numb it was weird. It lasted about 3 months.
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
22 Apr 11
It makes me sick to. I think that doing something like what was done in this situation is one of the most selfish things that a person can do. I went through some postpartum after my daughter was born, but there was really never a time that I thought about killing her.
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@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
25 Apr 11
That is really similar to the way that I felt after Kathryn was born. I couldn't beleive that I was left at home with her because it felt like out of body experiences to me. However, it passed pretty quickly after I was able to talk about how I was feeling.
@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
14 Apr 11
She wants to take them with her is all I can think. But that sort of thing just makes me sick.
@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
22 Apr 11
Yes it is, but I think most people who do that talk themselves into believing it's for the best.
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
25 Apr 11
You are probably right, but it is also something that makes me ill to think about.
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@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
22 Apr 11
No matter how you put it though, taking the life of an innocent child just because you can't deal with your own life or even if you simply can't deal with them is a really selfish act.
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@magrylouyu (1627)
• United States
18 Apr 11
I myself saw this on the news. It brought tears to my eyes. As you my children have days they get on my nerves really bad. I've been so stressed out I've cried. Have I ever though of killing my children. Never. I dont care how stressful being a mom or dad is there is always a different way to handle things. I couldnt even emagine what goes through these parents minds when doing this. I dont even want to know what goes through their heads. I pray that the little boy the was able to escape doesnt have any long term mental issues. Bless his little heart for having to see and go through that.
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
25 Apr 11
I too hope that the little boy that survived from this incident doesn't have any lasting mental issues. However, I think that the only way that will be able to be avoided is if he has some good psychological care.
@cream97 (29087)
• United States
28 Apr 11
Hi. dorannmwin. I think that this is very sad. So sad. I heard about the story about the mother drowning herself and her kids into the Hudson River. She was upset because her baby's father was cheating on her and they had an argument about it too. I could never kill my own children. I just can't. This is very sad and heartbreaking. My kids run me up the wall everyday, and all day, until they go to sleep at night and believe me, it would hurt me to know that I could actually get that stressed out till the point of me killing them. I could never push myself to this limit. I wonder what really goes on into the minds of any parent that kills their own child. I really wonder??? I think that stress and anxiety of the inability to cope, will drive a mother stone mad to kill her children. Satan has to be in her to possess her mind and body into killing her own flesh and blood. Those poor babies cried for their precious life. I just could not imagine hearing and seeing the expressions on my child's face as I am hurting them or killing them brutally! How can a mother that is alive live with herself after this? And how can a mother that has killed her own self along with her kids rest in peace??? I always pray that God will keep me holy so that I will never go in a deadly direction as to killing my innocent three children.
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
6 May 11
I don't know that I want to wonder what is going on in the minds of mothers that are able to do this. I will admit that Kathryn and Paul (and the various neighborhood children) do drive me up the wall but I've never even thought about taking their lives away from them.
@blue65packer (11826)
• United States
16 Apr 11
I think people kill their children becuase of depression,they want revenge on the other parent,they don't want or were not ready to have children,mentally! Parents just do this randomly,at least sometimes! With the woman in New York,said she made a mistake right after she drove in the Hudson, before he oldest son escaped! Then I have heard a parent killing their children to get renvenge on their spouse for leaving for example! It is like "You are leaving me. So to get you back I am killing our children"! Then I read a story of people abandoning or killing newborns because they didn't want to be pregnant in the first place. When they
realized they made a mistake, they are mentally unstall and do something disturbing! Instead of taking an unwanted child to a hospital or police station,the child is left to die and unfortunely some do die! It is so sad and disturbing! I have a son I gave up for adoption 21 years ago. Even though I never kept him,I could never kill or even hurt him! People who do that to their children are messed up! Really messed up and when you kill a child they can't be brought back,either!
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
25 Apr 11
Two of one of my friend's children were killed in a house fire in December. The parents in this situation were separated and the father loved his children with all of his heart, but the mother, whom the children were supposed to be with at the time wasn't really that interested in being a parent. So, she left the children alone at home at night to run around with her boyfriend. It was during this time that the house caught fire. Even a parent that leaves her children at home alone is the kind of person that should not be a parent. The kids were only 7, 5 and 3 years old. The five year old got out of the house.
@bounce58 (17387)
• Canada
21 Apr 11
I am a bit of a perfectionist, and I'm easily irritated. So, I could definitely say that more than 50% of the time, my kids disappoint, frustrate, or make me angry. But never in my mind have I ever thought of hurting them. Because the little percentage that they don't disappoint, frustrate, or make me angry, more than makes up for the time that they do. I think that parents that purposely hurt their children are just evil!
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
25 Apr 11
In that sense, I am similar to the way that you are. I want my children to be perfect and those times that they aren't is something that is frustrating to me. However, the times that they excel are times that I am very proud of them and that more than makes up for the frustration that I experience.
@tammy27 (1241)
• Philippines
14 Apr 11
how tragic... but this news is not new anymore. there are just women who don't give even just pity to their children. there are many women like that in our country, and commonly their reason why they kill their own children is because of depression, post-partum gone bad, and they're simply not prepared. how sad to know that there are innocent lives taken away due to irresponsible mothers, when in the first place they should be the shield and and armor of their children.
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@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
15 Apr 11
This isn't even to mention the fact that there are also now doctors that specialize in postpartum. In the world today, there is no reason at all that people could even use something like that as an excuse for the reason that they hurt their own children.
@whengcat (1457)
• Philippines
14 Apr 11
No parents with the right mind will do such thing! That's very cruel and definitely a sin...Yeah I agree with you that sometimes kids get on our nerves but hurting to the point of killing them is not right. Parents who committed that crime have psychological problems.
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@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
15 Apr 11
I really feel like hurting in any way that will cause permanent damage of any sort is unacceptible. Meaning, there are times that I have had to spank my children because they've done something that could be harmful to themselves or others, but afterward I will explain to them why it had to be done so that they will not be emotionally scarred.
@eshaan (6188)
• India
15 Apr 11
hi dorannmwin.....i am here after a long time...i might have missed many of your discussions..anyway..how r u?
...yes...i too have come across such stories...the reason might be that the person might be having lot of tensions...and also he/she might be worried about who will look after their kids if they die alone....they might be thinking that its their own responsibility if they have brought them to this world..so may be they are forced to take such steps....but i think people must have courage to face the worst situation in their life and come out of such problems...may God give all the courage to come out of such situations..nice topic...
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
25 Apr 11
As far as how I am, I can only say that I am making it one day at a time. That is all that I am able to do at this point in time in my life.
It has been very interesting to see the reasons that people have given as to the reason that people would hurt their children.
@sid556 (30960)
• United States
15 Apr 11
Hi Dorannmwin,
I would have to say that this woman had some sort of mental illness. I have 4 daughters that I raised on my own and talk about stress and frustration at times...especially when they were in their teens! I remember feeling a lot of things and sometimes a great deal of frustration but oh ...I never even spanked them. I mean there were moments that I thought, " I don't even like you"...they were just moments and there were a couple of times when it would have felt good to slap a face for being really mouthy but I didn't and wouldn't. I don't understand this but I'd have to say that this woman was hurting inside more than any of us could imagine.
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
25 Apr 11
I would agree that she had to have been hurting inside in a way that we could not even begin to imagine. However, I also think that it was selfish to have taken her kids with her.
@skysuccess (8858)
• Singapore
15 Apr 11
dorannmwin,
Killing would be the last thing on my mind as a father and no matter what or how I do not think I can bring myself to even consider hurting them. Which explains how painful it feels when one has to discipline them.
As for this woman, I suppose she might have quite a lot of unresolved issues that eventually drove her to desperation to actually kill her children and herself. Times are tough indeed these days, with this economic crisis. It is just sad.
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
25 Apr 11
That is right, it is a very difficult thing for a parent that is in their right mind to discipline your children. There have been times when I've had to do it and I will cry afterward because it is so tough on me.
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
25 Apr 11
When it comes to anything that has to do with children, I think that it is very important to always remain calm. The main reason that I feel this way is because of the fact that I think children learn more when they are met with calm adults.
@johnpillai (2082)
• Germany
14 Apr 11
I ever never hurt my children physically. i don't abuse them verbally also. But i shout at them. I scold them. I think this is also bad. I try my level best to correct me. Now your story. Mothers killing their own babies is not all a wonder. It happens here and there all over the world. To be a good mother their mental health is very important. if any mother feels that mental health is disturbed for any reason she should seek help to prevent her and her children from danger.
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
25 Apr 11
That is right and I don't think that there should be any mother that is too proud to ask for help. When it comes to raising children, regardless of mental ability, a person alone cannot raise a child. It takes a village to raise a child and this does mean that there is support for parents through their difficult times.
@watergirl (567)
• Philippines
15 Apr 11
My kids make me angry especially when they fight and hurt each other over toys or other small things. There are times when I think of the days when it was just me and my husband at home and everything was peaceful and quiet. But I love my kids and I would rather have riotous boys who jump on the bed and climb on shelves than having no children at all. Those women who killed their own children must need medical and psychological help.
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
25 Apr 11
You are right, I would much rather put up with the mischief that my children have a tendency to get into than to never be able to experience the joy of raising children.