What about minimum paid days off?
By gewcew23
@gewcew23 (8007)
United States
April 20, 2011 3:46pm CST
Here in the United States we have minimum wage laws like most if not all industrialized countries. We say that if you are going to employee someone in this country you must pay this individual so much an hour. For the most part we have no problem with the state interjecting itself into the free market but I wonder what would be the opinion of those who support minimum wage laws also supporting minimum paid days off laws? Just to clear up what I mean by minimum paid days off, employees would be guaranteed so many paid days off to use with in a given calendar year. Of course there could be certain objectives like the employee would need to be employed for so many months, the total amount of paid days off could be based on how many average hours worked and how many years employed. Greater minds than mine could come up with all the details. So what do you think?
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8 responses
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
20 Apr 11
I'm not even sure I'm on board with minimum wage laws.
America keeps getting worse and worse, depsite government's efforts to interject itself at every turn of the road. Eventually, we all may come to the conclusion that it's these sweeping laws and regulations that are causing the problems.
If an employer wants to offer minimum paid days off, great for that employer. But for it to become "law" that all employers must?
I'm not sure all employment can operate like public unions whose design is completely opposite of the private sector. They don't "work" for profit, so they can have massive time off and have these laws protecting their jobs unless they turn out to be Ted Bundy. What does it matter? They're not putting out a product (unless you count failing kids and crumbling infrastructure, but that's another debate).
I don't like the mandatory side of this. The "guaranteed" bit is too overreaching in my opinion.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
21 Apr 11
Mommyboo, you mentioned something that seems to be causing a lot of trouble and confusion in this country--"You cannot expect loyal employees who love you and work the best they can..." It's a JOB. A JOB, not a family, not a friend--people have families and friends and then there is their job. Jobs are impersonal, or should be. Just because you trade your time and skill for a financial reward it doesn't obligate your employer to have a personal relationship with you. (I'm not talking you, specifically, just a collective "you")
People want their hands held all the time, they want everyone to love and respect them and can't separate business from personal issues. A person's job owes them nothing but a paycheck, plain and simple. Everything else is just gravy. The sooner people realize that they are responsible for their personal emotional fulfillment and don't expect anything like that from their employer, the better off they will be.
Sorry, but you touched on one of my pet peeves there.
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
21 Apr 11
Well, it's frustrating as an employee to have to worry about not having any days off, or getting in trouble if you ASK for one off. The US is really about the WORST as far as employer/employee relationships and benefits. Despite all the wonderful things about living in the US, it seems that other countries take care of their people better. EVERYBODY gets health care. EVERYBODY gets several weeks off work.... probably at the least, 3 weeks, in addition to sick pay. Yes it frustrates me. You cannot expect loyal employees who love you and work the best they can if you just run them into the ground and pay them nothing....
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@matersfish (6306)
• United States
21 Apr 11
Maybe those others countries would be better to live in then.
So fair, offering so much to their citizens. Huge benefits packages like Greece (we helped bail them out). Universal healthcare for everyone like many European countries (they do not tolerate immigration whatsoever).
I can only speak for myself, obviously, but I'd rather live in a country where I had to go at life alone, experiencing full freedom to actually go at it, than to accept crumbs as trade to allow a government to control more of my life.
In the long run, it seems easier to hop across the pond than to keep rallying for that particular brand of change in America - wanting the USA to be more like other countries.
With a federal government trying desperately to control 50 states, millions upon millions of illegal immigrants, unions with a stranglehold on public education, huge industry and government working hand in hand - we're like a Rubik's Cube in a sense: one way to get it right but millions of ways to get it wrong.
A lot of people want their pie-in-the-sky, let's-be-like-Holland healthcare and windmills and guaranteed jobs for life with benefits, etc, but no one seems to want to do all the work it would take to get there. Folks seem to want to push new furniture into the living room without cleaning out the junk that's already there.
Another possible suggestion for workers feeling undervalued - become a boss. I did.
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@kenzie45230 (3560)
• United States
20 Apr 11
I think we need to keep the government out of business.
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@kenzie45230 (3560)
• United States
20 Apr 11
I also think that the only people who should ever suggest what businesses should or should not do should have to prove that they have run or managed a successful business themselves.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
21 Apr 11
I generally say that government needs to stay out of business too EXCEPT for two things - the amount of profit a business is allowed to make - and if they stiff employees in order to make the profit, OR something like this. I think it is reasonable to have 'minimum paid days off', just like there's a law about large corporations having to provide their employees with health insurance and family leave. Smaller corporations can somehow get out of providing those things, which makes it somewhat iffy working for a small company unless they pay you enough so you can pay for those things out of your pocket. Very few people can.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
21 Apr 11
I have an idea, Gewcew, if you have so many great ideas about how to run a business, then start one yourself! Show us how it's done!
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
21 Apr 11
Nope. I'm against it 100%. I'm not even fond of minimum wage laws. Don't get me wrong, I do agree with a minimum wage, I just oppose this crap where people want to keep raising it in the foolish belief that minimum wage workers DESERVE to make as much as people with higher qualifications and specialized skills. Right now the minimum wage is way too high and all it's doing is hurting businesses by forcing them to pay lazy teenagers more than they're worth as employees.
Wages, health insurance, paid days off, and other benefits should be used by employers to attract and reward the best employees. When you start mandating these things, you weaken the power of both the businesses, and prospective employees to negotiate. Laws like this only benefit the worst employees.
@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
21 Apr 11
Most full-time jobs allow the worker to earn accrued time for sick or personal use. In some positions you earn more vacation time based on how many years you have worked for the company.
Time off, like employer contributions to health insurance, is a benefit that costs the employer. The more it costs to hire and keep an employee, the fewer people the employer can afford to hire. If you made this mandatory for all full-time employees, the company would simply hire fewer of them and hire more part-time positions. This would not be a benefit to the members of society seeking full-time, gainful employment.
This kind of regulation would make the cost of doing business go up. It would cause a rise in all products manufactured, food prices, etc. It's a great way to increase the unemployment and inflation rates but it's not such a great idea if the country is currently experiencing both of those economic problems.
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
21 Apr 11
Business will offer better pay and more benefits when they need to attract more or better employees. Henry Ford did it when he started his company. He paid more per day than any other auto maker so that he could attract the best workers and so that his employees could afford to buy his product. Not because the government said to do it but because it made good business sense.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
21 Apr 11
In Tampa, FL the county had a mandate saying that any county employees who worked over 20 hours a week MUST get paid time off. As a result all the county agencies dropped all the part time employees to 19 hours a week without the option to work ANY extra hours so they could skirt the issue. Anyone who doesn't think private businesses would do the same thing is kidding themselves.
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
21 Apr 11
Agreed.
I can't speak from a standpoint of a legitimate business owner, but I know from outsourcing a lot of my work that I will NOT hire someone taking 4 days to complete a job as opposed to 2, or someone who wants more money for the same job than someone else with the same qualifications.
I guess I'm probably just impatient and greedy. I should value people more and allow them to earn more money for less work and give them more time to do it.
I could probably do that if I collected taxpayer money from on high instead of paying with profits earned from a product produced.
It's confusing to me how some people understand "business" and "money" and the like. Moore's not alone in the whole "national resource" bit.
@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
21 Apr 11
I do not believe in forcing businesses to provide paid days off. Small businesses would lose a lot of money and might be forced to lay off workers to make up for the revenue they lose with something like that.
If a person wants paid days off and their employer doesn't provide them the solution is simple--go to work for someone who does. That's competitive and fair. Employers have no legal obligation to provide you with anything but a paycheck if you earn it and that's the way it should be. People are free to work for whomever they wish and this keeps the field competitive.
@stephcjh (38473)
• United States
21 Apr 11
Yes. I wish we could work enough days to accrue some paid time off. It seems to me that if the government can get paid when they are not at work, why can't we?
@sierras236 (2739)
• United States
20 Apr 11
99% of companies (there are two exceptions, the freelancer or independent contractor and the owner of small business) have policies in place regarding sick time and paid vacation. Even the military gives 30 days per year. Don't forget all of those Federal holidays and religious holidays (Christmas work usually nets the worker double time.) I am not sure where you are getting your information from but the US companies have these things.