Waterboarding terrorists lead US to Bin Laden

I think that this argument is like watching cops do the "Good cop/ Bad cop" routine and then saying "See, good cop worked, bad cop did not".

I was just thinking the same thing. I can just imagine him thinking...oh cr@p, not again...better tell them the truth.

Found this on twitter tweeted by Michelle Malkin: Panetta tells NBC some info was obtained thru 'enhanced interrog techniques' such as waterboarding

"torture is non-productive for dependable information." See when people keep retelling that lie I think it hurts their case. If you're arguing on moral or legal grounds, use moral and legal arguments. Once people start claiming it's not effective, it appears that they are more concerned with effectiveness than the morals they claim to espouse. Regardless, waterboarding and enhanced interrogation works and has worked many times for many countries.

That is probably the most used line in the entire debate: "I'd say anything to make it stop!" Of course. But... One: A person has it in their mind that the person interrogating them obviously wants the truth, not just the first thing to spew out of somebody's lips. It's psychological more than physical. Two: People in that position, waterboarding for example, know that they aren't simply free to leave once they say anything. The information has to be verified. Again, it's psychological. Yes. People will say anything to make it stop. But simply saying something doesn't make it stop. It's effective because it isn't going to stop until you tell the truth or give up something useful. It's being treated as if the terrorists are naughty children and the people interrogating them are shoddy parents, willing to believe the first excuse they're told. Wrong way to look at it. As far as working - nothing works every single time without fail. People focus too much on the method and choose to overlook one unavoidable (or at least you would think so) fact of the matter: We're dealling with brainwashed psychotics here, hell-bent on murdering the entire world's population! What would ever work 100% of the time? There's not a 100% reliable method to deal with basic car thieves or pot dealers. Folks expect there to be one for the upper echelon of evil the world has ever known?

i used the "effective" argument because it is true and because many people don't care about the morality. i don't have experience in torture. if i was being tortured, i'd give up any infomation to stop it. people (cia, etc.)indicate that information gotten from torture is at best unreliable, at its worst dangerous, while others say it does work. how in the world can you say waterboarding has worked? you don't have that information. if it worked all the time, every country would use it whenever it's needed, for any reason, and they'd make it legal.

Couldn't say it any better myself.

We have to give President Obama a certain amount of credit for the killing of Obama bin Laden. He did it by keeping in place virtually all of George W. Bush’s “War on Terror” policies.

Yup, he just sent those jobs overseas via rendition. Of course I'd swear he also pretended to be against sending jobs overseas. Hard to be clear in his web of hypocrisy.

"He did it by keeping in place virtually all of George W. Bush’s “War on Terror” policies." Except, among other things, the part where Bush said he didn't worry about Bin Laden anymore... Annie

First off, I've read the legal definition of torture and I've read all the details of the enhanced interrogation techniques used at GITMO. Based on that, I don't consider it torture, but obviously opinions can differ on that. As for the US complaining about our soldiers being tortured, that's pretty meaningless anyway. Our people have been tortured by pretty much every country we've been at war with since becoming the US. The Koreans, Vietnamese, Iraqis, Afghanis, Japanese, etc. have all subjected our soldiers to horrible forms of torture far beyond pouring water over a wet rag on someone's mouth, or making them listen to Nine Inch Nails. Does anyone care? Of course not. Nobody did anything about it. Complaining didn't do anyone any good in those situations so I don't see why it would do any good now.

Well the Legal definition and someone who was tortured for how many years exactly anyway wasn't waterboarding declared torture by the Congress during the Bush years?