How Dare We Mistake "School" for "Education"?
@mythociate (21432)
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
May 8, 2011 11:26am CST
I feel like I'm saying this for the bazillionth time, but apparently the people in control are too 'full of themselves' to listen!
'School' IS NOT 'Education' any more than "The Moon" is "space-exploration."
Saying that "attending- and graduating from-school" is an entire 'education' is like saying "breathing-in" is the entire respiratory process, like saying "eating" is the entire digestive process.
Why do people take a half-done job and call it the whole thing like that?
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
9 May 11
I would take that even further and say a lifelong 'education' is not all that is needed. Perhaps you mean the same thing as I am about to say anyway, but I feel we can 'know' a lot of things and still not be 'wise'. Wisdom should be the goal.
Wisdom is the quality or state of being wise; knowledge of what is true or right coupled with just judgment as to action; sagacity, discernment, or insight.
There are many who know facts, but have not learned how to use them. There are many who have learned what they think are facts but are not. There are many who have spent a lifetime learning and have no judgment or discernment.
Perhaps this was what you meant in saying 'school is not an education'.
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@mythociate (21432)
• Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
10 May 11
Exactly!
Makes me think of when I was a marching snare-drummer: I knew how to play perfectly in sync with the other snare-drummers, but I COULDN'T---not until I went out there and trained my hands to!
What I mean is that 'knowing everything about how the world is s`posta be' won't tell you much about 'how to deal with it the way it is'---sometimes the other drummers wouldn't be as "perfect" as me!
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@knicnax (2233)
• Philippines
9 May 11
I agree with you here. School is where we go to in the hope of getting educated, but it doesn't necessarily mean that if you attended school and graduated, you're already educated.
There are a lot of people who attended the best of the best schools, earned a prestigious degree, was even top of the class and graduated with honors but don't act "educated" at all. They act like they own the world just because they went to school, or better schools than others. They act all arrogant and snobbish. They talk trash, they don't conduct themselves well, as opposed to what they supposed to have learned about mingling while they were in school.
In another sense, some people go to school but don't learn a thing. They just attend classes (sometimes, not even attend classes), cheat off homeworks, seatworks and exams. They just pass through school, without learning a thing. They graduate with a degree, but they didn't learn anything. When you ask them, they don't know a thing. They can't even perform basics. They struggle at work, and since they had a very laid back attitude while still schooling, they would be the same at work. They'd take shortcuts and cheat on stuff just to get the job done. Educated? Definitely NOT!
@mythociate (21432)
• Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
9 May 11
Not unless shortcuts & leverage are the way to get ahead In Real Life!
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@mythociate (21432)
• Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
16 May 11
Actually, a (seemingly) even-faster way to get ahead is 'being born to powerful parents' ... although it does give credence to the fact that the best education begins with good parents!
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@vinod4net (628)
• India
11 May 11
well i just feel schooling is just a small part of a ladder that the education is. education never ends and schooling does comes to an end someday. But we are taught from the early age that schooling is everything and you need to be the best in schooling to have best of everything. this is just rubbish as i think now.
@mythociate (21432)
• Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
16 May 11
It's like 'using expensive gym-equipment' versus 'using weights you bought at a garage sale'---you'll have the opportunity to do more exercise-types at the expensive gym, but you can exercise just as much (get just as strong or -even stronger) if you work more with the cheap stuff!
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@epicure35 (2814)
• United States
9 May 11
You are correct. People generally speak for economy and, hopefully, efficacy of speech. However, in this instance your point is more than valid. It is rare that one could possibly receive anything akin to an "education" in a modern American "school". It's more like indoctrination, regurgitation, and total violation of any kind of independent thinking, learning, or true academics, not to mention the integrity or safety of the student.
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@epicure35 (2814)
• United States
10 May 11
Again, 100% correct. When a parent turns a child over to the school "system" he is turning his child over to a government agency for propaganda and indoctrination.
Even John Stossel, whom I consider a liberal stated unequivocally that the "Dept. of Education" should be shut down.
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@mythociate (21432)
• Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
10 May 11
Maybe not entirely shut-down, because it is doing a good job keeping the servants' minds quietened for entry into the flock.
But I would shut-down propaganda-department (which would be well on its way to shut-down when the 'Dept. of Education' were renamed 'The Extended Detention Administration'), which regularly feeds us (and/or has us regurgitate) the lie that school is!
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@mythociate (21432)
• Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
10 May 11
The money-salesmen (government) are creating more buyers ... they even call the school-section of government 'The Department of Education' (which--when you elect me new superintendent of schools--will be appropriately renamed 'Legion of Doom' )
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@hardworkinggurl (37063)
• United States
10 May 11
School is merely a building and and a place where educators are suppose to educate a student who wants to be educated.
Some people attend school simply because they are told too and or are under the impression that if they attend "school" daily and complete that they will get a good job.
But some others Education is a a tool, one that they learn and experiment so that not only they get a job but a life long career.
For the ones that take half-done jobs those are the ones that really did not utilize the tools before them to their full potential. See education alone is not enough for the secure career, it is also taking what you can get in the beginning and gaining the experience so that a bit later they fully gain the career they deserve.
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@wiggles18 (2506)
• Canada
8 May 11
Exactly. Once can learn ten fold as much in half a year, reading informational books, magazines, articles on the internet etc, than they can in 12 years of schooling.
What people don't realize is that school is for behaviour modification, not education. It really makes me sick.
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@mythociate (21432)
• Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
8 May 11
Like George Carlin said, "The Owners don't want people who can think; they want obedient workers!"
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@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
10 May 11
Going to school is not the same as getting an education. School is where you should receive the tools necessary to educate yourself. It seems that education is becoming more of agreeing with the teacher and giving the right answer.
It used to be when you challenged an idea presented by the teacher you were considered a good student because you were thinking for yourself, now you are being a trouble maker and to some in need of reeducation.
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@kenzie45230 (3560)
• United States
9 May 11
You're absolutely right. School and education are two completely different things, especially today.
Today, our kids and grandkids are not being taught that the best gift they could own would be a love for learning and a desire to explore the world around them by reading and discovery. They think books are boring. Some schools don't use text books any more, just "sound byte" learning.
We can't blame this all on the schools, though. The problem starts at home. How many parents do you know who get down on the floor and play with their kids or who sit them on their laps to read? If they do, how often? Do they take them outside to dig in the dirt? Do they hand them a magnifying glass to explore the back yard? Or do they plop them in front of the TV, video console or computer instead?
I mentioned a study that was done in another comment - one that showed that our kids can't pass a basic civics class that immigrants can pass. The article I did about this had a link to a test taken by college kids and some opinion questions. One of the opinion questions was about whether or not educators should instill more doubt in students and reject certainty. Only 21.9% responded affirmatively.
http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979305199
Thank goodness the number of kids being home schooled grows each year. They, at least, are receiving an education.
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@RebeccaScarlett (2532)
• Canada
12 May 11
Cramming facts into your head doesn't teach you to think. I agree with above comments that schooling is behavior modification: they want an obedient labor force, and increasingly, they want kids to grow up into consumers.
Kids who think for themselves are punished. 4 out of 5 marks for a math question are given for "showing your work" which really means showing that you think exactly like the teacher thinks. When the right answer on every question can still result in a 20% on the test, there is something seriously wrong with the system.
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@drasnian (548)
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9 May 11
School is not education no - school is a discrete time length, education is an ongoing progress.
But school is a crucial part of education - you can be clever yet uneducated. School helps to teach you the skills you need to earn an education - discipline, time management, self control, motivation, ambition. It teaches you how to read, to write, and to do basic maths. Without school, there would be no education.
But education does not end with school. There are plenty of ways to educate yourself further - like learning a trade through learning-on-the job, reading, travelling to broaden your horizons and further understand different people and cultures. Learning a language, practicing your writing skills, talking to people to improve your social skills. All of these are things you can learn outside of school, but the fact is, without school to teach you how to read, you'd never be able to learn a new language. Without self discipline and time management, you'd never get a job. Without basic maths, you'd never even be able to sort out things like budgeting for flights, hotels, food etc, and so you'd never travel.
School is a CRUCIAL part of education, but it isn't the end of it.
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@mythociate (21432)
• Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
10 May 11
On the right track, but slightly-off. 'Educate' is rooted in the word "educe" (to bring from within). 'School' is "what the herd does to stay up with the rest of the herd."
In today's world, The Owners want 'workers who are obedient and who can perform the required tasks,' and 'school' certifies that its graduates are sufficiently trained to learn to do that.
'Being clever' is the very-defining characteristic of an 'educated' person (not necessarily of a 'schooled' person). 'School' loads up one's information-bin; 'education' uses the information most-efficiently.
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