Relion (controversal)
By musashi808
@musashi808 (91)
United States
May 8, 2011 6:00pm CST
Alright so we are all aware of religion but there are many like me who would say they do not believe in religion. The thing I hate about this fact is the view of connotations with that fact. When I say I do not believe in religion it is not the fact of not believing in god or a god (cannot claim one does or does not exist), I just do not believe in religion. Another thing to is the title atheist, many would call me that, or there is the issue of the connotation that atheist is a person who does not believe in the "christian" god. This is untrue YOU ARE ALL ATHEISTS. I can prove this, do you believe is Zeus or Greece gods?.....by stating no you are a Zuthian atheist. Religion is stupid it creates problems all over it creates death and pain in a Hippocratic sense of self righteous justice. Religion is flawed, it is created by man, it is not useful it stalls advancement look at the U.S. how many ethical issues are brought up in politics, science, and social ideas by religious movements? Plus church and state are supposed to be separate. Religion blinds people forces them into such stupid beliefs because a god told them so. Yet isn't what you are basing your views on a written subject by man? It therefore is immediately flawed and to me null and void. If I were to say any religion is correct it would be more towards the Asian religions, though I also believe some of them shouldn't be called religions, but that is a topic for another day.
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@_sketch_ (5742)
• United States
9 May 11
Actually, an atheist is a person that does not believe in any god. I would not say that everyone who doesn't believe in all gods is an atheist, like your example with the Greek gods. Maybe their is some technicality, but I don't know of it. I've never even heard of a Zuthian atheist before. What is that?
However, I get your point. Just because a person is not Christian, does not mean that they are atheist. I'll take it a step further and remind everyone that just because a person is not religious, does not mean that they are not spiritual.
The term atheist is becoming more commonly used to refer to one who doesn't believe in anything "woo-woo". I am not a religious person, but I am spiritual, and I do not believe that anything is supernatural, although to many atheists some things I believe would be considered woo.
I agree fully that church and state are supposed to be and should most definitely be separate, but people will always be influenced by their different moral beliefs, religious or otherwise. The importance is not really whether such beliefs will come into play in their decision making, but rather whether they will hold their beliefs above all others and not take into account the rights of those who may hold different, even conflicting, beliefs.
I understand where you are coming from with the politics thing and how religious beliefs can cause a lot of problems. For example, gay marriage. However, I believe that all people and their varying beliefs should be respected and it really doesn't solve anything to call any religion stupid. If someone is calling you or your beliefs stupid are you even going to want to consider their point of view?
I think I get what you mean in regards to the Asian religions. Buddhism, for example, is very much peaceful and doesn't spend a lot of time being bothered with conversion. This is a very good practice if you ask me. However, I am a bit lost on your mention that you don't consider them all to be religions. I don't believe I've heard that one before.
Anywho, when it comes down to it, take away all the petty details and what is left? The same idea: Be kind and love. It doesn't really matter what someone believes. I think if we realized that the world would be a much better place. And isn't that the true point of religion anyway?
I don't believe that it is religion itself causing problems, but ego. People identify too much with such things, thinking that this belief, or being a member of this church, makes you a better person. We are all equal. We are all just doing our best in life. Humans are just stupid animals, just like the rest. lol.
Namaste.
@musashi808 (91)
• United States
9 May 11
yes exactly an atheist is one who believes in no gods that is completely correct per to my point and a Zuthian atheist is a person who doesn't believe in Zeus.
And I agree people are influence I just like to bring up the point and make way to see the views of others also I like debates lol.
And yes I was talking about religions like Buddhism but I argue that Buddhism for example should not be considered a religion, but that is more of a different point that initial argument.
The only part I do differ from you is I believe religion is the cause of problems due to it's influence on people i.e. their egos as you point out. It is a cause effect to their development. I also believe per social order people are not equal that is a much different argument I have to make I don't want to do that here lol.
@musashi808 (91)
• United States
9 May 11
best movie ever for religion and kinda in the same way I view it is Dogma by Kevin Smith
@mantis36 (4219)
• Philippines
9 May 11
according to my own opinion, the main reasons why men invented religion is for the people to think several times before committing any sins.
The world without religion is the world in a carnivorous act that a behavior like eating a fish or meat without cooking in fire. A barbaric form of life.
Since there are no perfect religion, all religions have their own form of errors, and as what i said, religions purposes is for the humans to think several times before committing any sins and nothing more.....
I also don't believe in bible because there are numerous kinds of bibles exists....
but i truly believe in God
@musashi808 (91)
• United States
9 May 11
Not to mention per looking your comment again, the brutality of man was more so shown by religious people throughout history.
@musashi808 (91)
• United States
9 May 11
As stated before I do not deny god or existence of one. I do not however agree in your statements of religion. Look at being Mormon for example this was a religion started after colonial America (when Christianity was already rooted and strong) with Joesph Smith who claimed to see vision to create his form of religion. And to your point men evolved due to evolutionary process and the instilled cognitive thought we have unlike animals. We are intrigued and find our salvation to thought as Nietzsche states as well. A world without religion would not be barbaric or anything like that you have no way to say that due to the proven natural social evolution and progress of man.
@musashi808 (91)
• United States
11 May 11
That would be funny. Yet I did state too I have no ties with god and religion only religion on its foundation is problematic to me.
@headhunter525 (3548)
• India
9 May 11
Traditionally an atheist is one who denies the existence of God. And it's not this one or that, but just any kind of god. About religion, once a group of people express adoration/worship to a deity is a particular way, it comes to be known as religion. So this set of people would have their own ritual, custom, belief and so on. And all these constitute religion. So religion is more to do with belief and practices, attributing the features to a worship around a deity.
Being a person from the East, I can't possibly adhere to Eastern religion or worship Eastern god. The main problem is that the 'god' just graded some human being as high and some as low. A 'god' that did not create all human equal is not worth worshipping!
@headhunter525 (3548)
• India
17 May 11
What are those 7 rules? I have not come across a definition of religion which is tight enough to cover all the religions. I think definition should rather be kept little 'loose'.
@_sketch_ (5742)
• United States
9 May 11
You are right that once a group of people worship a deity it's a religion, however, not every religion contains any worship or belief in any god or deity.
I really like what you said in your last paragraph. We are all equal. :)
@musashi808 (91)
• United States
9 May 11
I do like and agree to your last paragraph as well. Though I took a world religions class and that is that your term for what makes a religion is not quite accurate there are seven rules which is used to define a religion and to be constituted as a religion.
@bestboy19 (5478)
• United States
28 May 11
Religion does exist, so how can you say you don't believe in it; or since religion is the worship of a god or gods, are you saying you are opposed to formal worship? If religion doesn't exist, how can it cause problems? Since religion does exist, you would have to know each religion fully, not just a passing knowledge, in order to make the statement, "Religion is stupid it creates problems all over...." Do you know any religion well enough to make such a statement?
@musashi808 (91)
• United States
5 Jun 11
yes I do actually with own interests and studies as well as world religions course at my college. I also do not understand you I never claimed religion does not exist but I do stand by my words that religion is dumb and I do not believe in it and its impacts.
@bird123 (10652)
• United States
9 May 11
Maybe you aren't so bad. After all, God doesn't belong to any religion either. As with everything in life much is going on behind the scenes. Religion is a catalyst which brings people's problems to the surface so they have to be dealt with. Sure learning and growing can be messy along with a few growing pains, but it's better than never dealing with the real problems. After all, when you think you have God's backing, there are no stops to letting it all come out. Isn't life GRAND??? Sauce for the goose!!!
@bird123 (10652)
• United States
1 Jun 11
Sure there are social interactions that help bring out problems, but consider this. If you think you have God's backing, you won't stop. Religion and all holy books are not the solution. You are right. They are part of the learning, part of the lessons. There are a million things to learn around religion. None of them about God. Think about it. You already know. You are learning some.
@musashi808 (91)
• United States
9 May 11
I do believe in this to an extent, yes god does not belong to a religion, but I do not believe that religion is a key to dealing with problems. There many other things and social interactions that help and bring out problems. It does not have to be religion and I believe that the influence created by religion is not a solution but a stigma, a person telling you something based on a book written by man that "solves" your problems, but it is not a solution all that is done sometimes is you give away your problem or find excuses to it.
