Europe Died at Auschwitz
By debrakcarey
@debrakcarey (19887)
United States
May 15, 2011 12:56pm CST
I found this very moving and thought provoking. As a believer in you reap what you sow, I have contemplated the many possible spritual lessons to be found in my country's current social and political problems. To read this just brought it home to me that you cannot escape the hand of GOD. What you send out into the spiritual world with your intentions and emotions, will become part of the physical world around you and your descendents.
http://hineni.org/thoughts_views_view.asp?id=87&category=18&CatName=Thought of the Day
The following is an article written by a Spanish journalist, Sebastian Villar Rodriguez.
Europe died in Auschwitz
I was walking along Raval (Barcelona) when all of a sudden I understood that Europe died with Auschwitz.
We assassinated 6 million Jews in order to end up bringing in 20 million Muslims!
We burnt in Auschwitz the culture, intelligence and power to create. We burnt the people of the world, the one who is proclaimed the chosen people of God. Because it is the people who gave to humanity the symbolic figures who were capable of changing history (Christ, Marx, Einstein, Freud...) and who is the origin of progress and wellbeing.
We must admit that Europe, by relaxing its borders and giving in under the pretext of tolerance to the values of a fallacious cultural relativism, opened it`s doors to 20 million Muslims, often illiterates and fanatics that we could meet, at best, in places such as Raval, the poorest of the nations and of the ghettos, and who are preparing the worst, such as the 9/11 and the Madrid bombing and who are lodged in apartment blocs provided by the social welfare.
We also have exchanged culture with fanaticism, the capacity to create with the will to destroy, the wisdom with the superstition.
We have exchanged the transcendental instinct of the Jews, who even under the worst possible conditions have always looked for a better peaceful world, for the suicide bomber.
We have exchanged the pride of life for the fanatic obsession of death. Our death and that of our children.
What a grave mistake that we made!!!
What do you think? Have we in America and Europe begun to reap what we have sown?
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11 responses
@knoodleknight18 (917)
• United States
16 May 11
Wow... I'm gonna have to agree with the first response here too. Generalization of a population is exactly how Auschwitz occurred in the first place. The problems in Germany weren't the Jews fault then any more than they are the Muslims now. This racist propaganda is why Muslims are now "treated with kid gloves." If we decide it's okay to commit hate crimes against Muslims this week, next week it will be okay to shove them ovens.
As for sharia law, I can't say it's the best policy, but torture in Guantanamo, the things that go on in American prisons? No, more wrong than being sodomized in prison for insurance fraud.
There may be a good deal of merit to the holocaust contributing to a lot of problems in Europe, but this article better illustrates how it began in the first place.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
16 May 11
First off, where is this man who wrote this advocating hate crimes of the magnitude of the Holocaust?
He is merely saying that Europe was intrumental in handing the Jews over to Hitler because of antisemitism, and now KARMA (if you will) had given them Muslims who riot in their streets, demonstrate for sharia law, kill their poets and artists for blasphemy.
It was not generalization of the population that led to the Holocaust, it was HATE for the JEW. Good ol' fashioned antisemitism. And the jihadist Muslim is the ultimate antisemite. Full circle.
Do you all not read? The Quran calls for the WORLDS submission to Allah. Not just those who want to be Muslim, even those who don't. Ask the Muslims you know, Islam teaches that Allah commands they convert the world to Islam. You don't even like Christians to evangelize in public but support a religion that demands the world submit to their religion?
There was a demonstration in London a few years back...signs that said; Europe you have NOT SEEN a HOLOCAUST yet. And BEHEAD those who mock our prophet.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
16 May 11
http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/muslimprotest.asp
Notice, it was a demonstration of the 'Peaceful Religion of Islam' day march.
@yellowocean (22)
• Slovak Republic
15 May 11
This article is just stupid and racist. Putting all the muslims into one bag is the same what nazis did.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
15 May 11
You called it racist.
Here is horrible...here is fanatic. It's more than a multicultural problem when sharia law is forced on Western civilization...this is what Europe and America have to look froward to if it becomes so.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/14/acid-blinding-postponed-iran-outcry
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
15 May 11
Haj Amin El Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem collaberated with the Nazis. YOU said this article was putting Muslims in the same bag as Nazis. Nazis called for the extermination of Jews, So do the PLO, Hamas, Hezbollah and all other terrorists groups. 'Moderate Muslims' do not speak out for the Jews, except one, the Iman of Rome who points out that the Quran actually says that Israel belongs to the Jews and they will be given it back...and they were given it back. Yet millions of Arabs seek to drive them into the sea.
http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/
I'm done being politically correct. Let the 'moderate, peaceful Muslims' say it is wrong to be antisemetic, let them say jihad violence is wrong. The burden of proof is on THEM to prove THEY are not violent and antisemetic.
@Adoniah (7513)
• United States
16 May 11
It really hurts to have to write this because I am not known for defending muslims...but you asked for this when you emailed me for assistance...You are not going to like this.
The Europeans did ask for everything they are getting, but it is not the muslims that are causing their problems. It is their own greed, lazyness and arrogance. The same holds true for the US.
Up until the late 19th century many muslim countries were among the best educated countries around. Throughout history, the Persians were known for the greatest advances in mathmatics, sciences and inventions. Don't talk about muslims being illiterates, they were not. The Afghan women were brilliant lawyers and doctors not too long ago. They still educate each other in secret. It was not until the fanatics took control that the problems began. This does not mean that the people are fanatics. This is like saying that because Hussein O is our president we are all now black and corrupt...Are you an idiot?
Yes, we do have to protect ourselves from the infiltration of the islamic brotherhood. They are very active in our prisons and inner city schools. They prey on our disenfranchised youth who are vunerable. But our gangs do the same thing and we have never really done much to stop that either have we? We are lazy!
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
18 May 11
I have said that not all Muslims are fanatics. I have said that I feel sympathy for those who have had their religion hijacked by extremists. I have said they should speak out against the fanatics and terrorist jihadists. I said I was done with being politically correct, which to me means that if there is something wrong, say so.
I did not call them illiterate.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
17 May 11
Why would I not like that response? It is what I've been saying all through this discussion. Thank you.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
19 May 11
I believe he said...who 'often' are....
Islam has been hijacked by radicals and Europe and America have been targeted for jihad and the imposition of sharia law.
Did you know that in Sweden the incidence of rape has skyrocketed. Police are not even allowed to collect evidence if it might point to a Muslim involvement?
http://www.globalpolitician.com/25869-sweden-immigration-islam
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
19 May 11
Here's another interesting article from the same website.
http://www.globalpolitician.com/26311-spain-antisemitism
Another one on appeasment
http://www.globalpolitician.com/26118-europe
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
15 May 11
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-islamification-of-europes-cathedrals/
During his trip to Turkey in November, Pope Benedict XVI refrained from praying or crossing himself when he visited the Hagia Sophia.
Heeding the warning of Islamic protestors who hours earlier had shouted “Pope, don’t make a mistake, don’t wear out our patience,” Benedict made every attempt to avoid hurting the feelings of sensitive Muslims who feared the Pope was attempting to reclaim the Hagia Sophia’s status as a great Christian church.
(Also known as the Church of Holy Wisdom, the Hagia Sophia was converted to a mosque after the conquest of Istanbul by Ottoman Turks in 1453.)
The Pope made concessions, and yet they Muslims make none. They want the right to use the Cathedral in Cordoba against the wishes of Catholics there.
No, I am not going to deny this man his feelings on the matter.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
15 May 11
It's how the man feels. And I don't think you or anyone has a right to deny him his feelings.
@knoodleknight18 (917)
• United States
16 May 11
I don't lump you with the people who kill abortionists or other such radical movements. The example was given so that you could see the similarity. It's just as unfair for us to lump you with an extremist Christian group as it is for you to lump all the peaceful Muslims with Jihadists or those holding up crazy signs.
But really how would you expect them to handle it. We don't persecute you for what Westboro does, nor do we expect your church to stomp out Christian extremists. Blaming them for Jihadists is no different than blaming all Christians for the presence of the KKK. If a group gets rid of an intolerant group, aren't they now intolerant extremists who kill anyone who doesn't agree with them?
As for the issue with Jews. They don't get special treatment because they don't hold demonstrations or support extremists factions. Quiet people, who practice their religion on their own time, without parading it in front of others, are mostly left alone without any attention good or bad.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
16 May 11
[i]It's just as unfair for us to lump you with an extremist Christian group as it is for you to lump all the peaceful Muslims with Jihadists or those holding up crazy signs.
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Where did I lump them together with extremeists? I believe I've said numerous times that the peaceful Muslims should speak out, then I qualified that with I understand why they do not. How is that lumping them together?
[i]If a group gets rid of an intolerant group, aren't they now intolerant extremists who kill anyone who doesn't agree with them?
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I did not suggest they 'get rid of' any thing, I suggested they SPEAK UP against it.
They don't get special treatment because they don't hold demonstrations or support extremists
I don't suggest they get special treatment, I suggest perhaps someone speak up on their behalf like they do the Muslims, Palestinians etc.
And it is indicative of antisemitism that the abuse Israel gets in the world press, the sanctions of the UN against them for defending themselves happens in the first place. WHY are they to blame for the violence done against them? Why is it that everything they do to protect themselves is wrong but the Palestinians are not wrong?
Does anyone know or care that there is a direct link between the PLO, Hamas and the Nazis?
http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/2529194.aspx
I'm sure the smart people at the UN know these facts, but still they persecute the Israelis.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
16 May 11
Karma is a spiritual principle. It teaches that what you allow towards others you will suffer yourself. You get what you give. My question was rhetorical, will Europe collectively pay for the antisemitism no one spoke up about and that was tolerated during their long history?
I did not say it WOULD happen, I asked if it might happen. And you tell me, is there jihadist in Europe? in America? And the protest I keep mentioning, PROMISED another Holocaust, it was the Muslims who brought that to bear, not me. But then, that cannot be an indication of the wrongness within their religion can it? And isn't it most insensitive of them TO BRING IT UP?
The man who wrote that article made me think of these things, neither I, nor you can say what is in his heart. Does it SOUND like he lumps them together? Perhaps, but it moved me nonetheless to consider the spiritual state of Europeans and Americans as regarding their antisemitism. It provoked me to THINK about my fears of radical Islam as I'm guessing it did him.
@knoodleknight18 (917)
• United States
16 May 11
Ironic that the Jihadists chose to bring up a holocaust, since they would be the outgunned minority in Europe or America. Most religions have some sort of end of the world prophecy. Look at all the talk of 2012.
As for your OP. I do think societies who make such decisions have it reflected upon them later on. I just don't think article has the best way of showing that. Though I must give some credit that this discussion has gone to show that there's enough feeling of indifference towards all Muslims to allow for a holocaust against them justified by Jihadist action.
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@Aussies2007 (5336)
• Australia
21 May 11
I think it is a very stupid title.
And if we start taking lessons from the Spanish, we are all in big trouble. They are next in line to be rescued by the IMF.
It is also a stupid article. What did the Jews really contributed to the world? MONEY! They are very smart bankers and very smart money lenders. They can almost make money out of thin air.
But like it or not, the smart people are the Germans and the Japanese. And it did show when they took the world over with their new technology. America would not have had a atomic bomb and a space program, if it was not for the German scientists they took from Germany. Ditto for Russia.
Europe founded the Eurozone as it felt that it could not compete against the world as individual countries. However it did not work, as most of those countries were poor. And it had the effect of hurting the strong countries like France and Germany who have to bail out the poorest one.
While the Muslims are a drain on the welfare system, the biggest problem is the clash of culture. And a society which refuse to change its way to make them feel welcome. And I don't see anything wrong with that. There is no place for a Muslim culture in our Western culture. And something will have to give eventually, despite the best efforts of all the PC people.
As for the people throwing the word "racist" around. Let me remind you that while not every Muslim is a terrorist, everyone of them has to be suspected to be one, until proved otherwise. Because terrorists are sleepers pretending to be normal law abiding citizens.
@Aussies2007 (5336)
• Australia
21 May 11
Look... if you are trying to convince me that the Arabs are bad news... You don't have to. Call me "racist", but I simply don't like them.
The thing I don't like about these discussions, is that you make it sound like it is all about the persecution of the Jewish people.
But what about the rest of the world?
There has been terrorist attacks all around the world by Muslims terrorists.
Why do you think America is broke?
400 million dollars a day for 9 years with its war in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Add to that the billions spend by homeland security.
And every country in the world had to introduce extreme security to prevent terrorist attacks. At a cost of billions for each country.
And you wonder why the world is broke?
Obama can kid himself all he likes about his victories. But the terrorists are running us into the ground economically. That's the way I see it.
And while all this is happening, China is surging full speed ahead with the help of Australia to become the super power of the world. And when they are, they will walk into Australia and simply take it.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
21 May 11
May I point out to you that the German Jews who came to us during and after the war contributed more than just money!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_German_Jews#Scientific_Figures
Scroll down to see the list, it's very extensive. The German scientists you speak of were mostly Jews!
Albert Einstein rescued atomic science from the Germans who were trying to make a bomb from it. His biggest regret in life was urging FDR to make the bomb.
I don't know much about Spain and it's problems. I do know that they're poised for a meltdown like Greece. But what does that have to do with not 'taking lessons' from the Spanish? He is not a politician, he's a journalist.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
21 May 11
As for China, they will walk in a take America first, then Australia 
Reasons I speak of Israel; Israel is in the news. Israel is close to my heart. If you want to understand why the radicals attack others you have to understand their MAIN agenda, destroying Israel. They attack others like Europe, America...to punish for the help they give Israel and for not being submissive to Islam.
Reasons I speak of Israel; Israel is in the news. Israel is close to my heart. If you want to understand why the radicals attack others you have to understand their MAIN agenda, destroying Israel. They attack others like Europe, America...to punish for the help they give Israel and for not being submissive to Islam.
@urbandekay (18278)
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18 May 11
I think he is wrong, the great movement of Europe owe a lot to Jewish individuals and culture but not to them alone, we should remember that Scots invented everything from capitalism to television, even Einstein's work was prefigured by Maxwell
all the best urban
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@urbandekay (18278)
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20 May 11
Well, if you think Scottish culture owes its creative genius to the Jews there, I think you are sadly mistaken
all the best urban
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
18 May 11
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scottish_Jews
And in all my reading I have not found a mention of pogroms or expulsions of the Jews in Scotland's history.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/Scotland.html
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
21 May 11
No, but they have contributed positive things to any country they have lived in. That was my point, they contribute positive, not negative things to the countries that have sheltered them during the dispora.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
16 May 11
You speak a truth here cher913. Europe paid a heavy price for the antisemitism it allowed prior to WWII.
And I feel that the people of Europe are very cautious about letting it happen again. That is a good thing. But tolerance of evil (terrorism, prejudice) is not the way to keep evil (terrorism, prejucice) from happening again. And we are all responsible for our OWN tolerance of evil, like being unwilling to talk about what is wrong because it might offend.
@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
20 May 11
I think I know what the author is saying. He is reacting to a radicalized Muslim culture that is slowly but surely taking over European culture and suppressing freedom of religion, speech and everything else that threatens Islam. They slaughtered millions of Jews and yet welcomed Islam with open arms, ignorant of the fanatical branch of that religion that is taking over many countries.
I don't think this is racist at all. It is realistic. We slaughter the good people so that evil might thrive.
For all you politically correct myLotters, I am not saying Islam is evil or lumping all Muslims into one category. The author and myself are talking about the extremist wing of Islam, the destructive and sick members who hate everything non-Muslim. For these people and those like them we let the Jews be slaughtered and robbed the world of goodness.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
22 May 11
Very interesting website/blog
listen to the videos.
http://jeffjenkinsocala.blogspot.com/2009/09/takiyya.html
@AngelHope2011 (199)
• United States
16 May 11
To some extent Europe and America have reaped what they have sown. Although, there is more that America and Europe has to deal with besides Muslims. The truth is a lot of the Muslims on earth are peaceful people. So, there are other avenues that we have to deal with like the economy, employment, homelessness and so forth. America is in debt because they borrowed so much money from China and other places and haven't bothered paying these places back. This is why China owns us now. As far as Europe is concerned, Europe became a mess because you have people in politics and in their stock exchange, like the stock brokers her in the US, who gambled on people's lives.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
16 May 11
You are correct AngelHope, I believe that it is all tied in together.
There are more peaceful Muslims than not, but we do not hear from them. We do not hear about many things that effect all the problems you list, or how our leaders deal with them. And I agree people's lives are beibg gambled with both here and in Europe.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
16 May 11
Like Israel being THE MOST sanctioned nation on Earth?
