A Mormon President of the United States.
By ParaTed2k
@ParaTed2k (22940)
Sheboygan, Wisconsin
May 19, 2011 10:21am CST
I understand why a lot of people wouldn't support Mitt Romney for President. I don't support him myself. However, I don't understand the whole Mormon President controversy... Especially among Conservative Republicans.
Since the end of WWII, the Republican party has enjoyed huge support from members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. The states with the most Mormons are firmly Republican states.
Talk about Conservative values, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is the family values and self sufficiency denomination.
While I don't begrudge anyone their support of other candidates, and everyone has a right to oppose Romney all they want. However, I seriously question the conservatism of anyone who would rather see 4 more years of Obama than see a Mormon in the White House.
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15 responses
@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
19 May 11
I don't speak for everyone who wouldn't vote for a Mormon but my reason is because I have read the Book of Mormon and the stories that are contain with in the BoM are so unbelievable I have to question the judgement skills of anyone who believes that the stories in the BoM actually happened. I am not a conservative but maybe that is the reason why they wouldn't vote for him.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
19 May 11
Yeah, not being conservative, and not wanting a conservative president is completely legitimate. But I think anyone who wouldn't vote for a candidate because of his religion would probably discriminate against people of that religion in most things in life.
We already had a "Mormon Extermination Act", we don't need a modern version.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
19 May 11
I heard a lot of people bring up Romney's religion the last time he tried for president. I don't understand it, either. Mormons are wonderful people and their religion isn't very different from other forms of Christianity, it just has a few beliefs that are different.
I think most people think that LDS is still a polygamous religion, even though they stopped that practice long ago.
I would prefer Herman Cain, actually, but I would go for Romney if he wins the nomination. Hell, I'd vote for Bozo the Clown just to get that destructive America-hating monster out of the WH.
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
19 May 11
I would prefer that race would not be an issue, and if Cain got in, him being African American, it might be that the media who wanted all the black people to be bosses would be coming true. So in the next election, you have to be extremely careful to make sure that race does not become an issue, because even if it is not in your eyes by wanting Cain for President, then there are others would assume that you are choosing him for race rather then his point of view. I sort of like Pawlenty, and I would prefer that the next President has strong family values, is a Christian, and does not act like the dictator where he is the only one of ilmportance.
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@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
19 May 11
dragon Kudos!!! You said " But I'd go for Rommey, too. Anyone who is not Obama": I agree although so far I like Cain.
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@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
19 May 11
suspenseful you bring up some interesting points. I am surprised to read ..."I sort of like Pawlenty, and I would prefer that the next President has strong family values, is a Christian, and does not act like the dictator where he is the only one of importance." Are you not a Canadian? Or are you an American still able to vote even although you live in Canada? You have got me rather intrigued!
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
19 May 11
I sort of like Pawlenty. Do not like Paul that much but that is because I went on a You tube site that was talking about Huckabee not running and the Ron Paul supporters were very obscene, used the F word and other horrible references and were practically jumping up and down that an evangelical Christian was out of the race (presumedly so they would be able to do what they want with no restraint.)
But it might be that there is a candidate that will suddenly appear that will defeat Obama and turn America around. Right now I do not know what the end is. I do not want to see Obama for another four years. I am Canadian and I buy a lot of things from the States, and I do not want to see, "sorry because of the high taxes and red tape,---- is going out of business, you have to order from China."
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@sierras236 (2739)
• United States
19 May 11
I don't quite get it either. I won't vote for him but that's due to his health care plan and a few other things that I disagree with him about. But if it boils down to him and Obama, yeah that it is a very obvious choice.
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@matersfish (6306)
• United States
19 May 11
Not being religious, I'd rather not vote for anyone religious. I think non-religious people need more representation in America. And good representation at that. Not those idiots whose sole mission in life is to tear down someone else's values and hijack nativity scenes and cover crosses.
Some make the argument that America itself is a contradiction - a land intended to let man rule himself, yet so many willingly do not and rather hold something up as their superior.
But I don't have anything against religious people. I don't know what the "Mormom" beef is. Well, at least I don't know what it is on the Republican side of the aisle. I've heard Bill Maher's take on what it is on the liberal side: he contends it's a racist religion and tells black people that they should be offended because they're black.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
19 May 11
Of course, Bill Maher also says that Conservatives don't like Obama because he's Black... but has no problem with anyone who voted for Obama simply because of his skin color. ;~D
I would bet that Maher thinks the same thing about Conservatives who are Black too.
A place for everyone, and everyone in their place.. right?
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@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
21 May 11
SIMPLE FACT NUMBER ONE: Americans voted into office a non-white man for President.
SIMPLE FACT NUMBER TWO: There are not enough black Americans to have achieved fact number one without a majority of white voters helping them.
SIMPLE (OBVIOUS) FACT NUMBER THREE: America is not a racist country.
So, those who continue to play the shabby old race card are either stupid or lying. You choose which is the simple fact, or maybe both are facts....
Maggiepie
“Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.” ~ Dietrich Bonhoeffer, internationally recognized biblical scholar & German Christian pastor, & contemporary & outspoken foe of Hitler
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@bistro1996 (18)
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20 May 11
I myself feel confused with the American people's attitude towrds mitts romye as U.S. presidential candidate,so what can make the american people themselves who can determine this,i as a Muslim religious hope whoever the next american president can bridge peace dialogue between the USA and muslim peole.
@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
21 May 11
Bistro: That will only happen if & when a large majority of Muslims rises up & denounces the violent, radical extremists who attacked us, & who continue to fight Western civilization around the world. Peace can only happen between equals, & the jihadists only consider Muslims (& only certain sects of those!) as equal, with a right to live.
People who wish peace must fight (yes, physically) the non-peaceful to have it. When I see the vicious imams who preach hatred & murder thrown out of the mosques, then I'll believe there can be peace. But I don't see it now, & I don't think I'll hold my breath waiting to see it happen... I know peaceful Muslims. None of them are brave enough to do it.
Maggiepie
“Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.” ~ Dietrich Bonhoeffer, internationally recognized biblical scholar & German Christian pastor, & contemporary & outspoken foe of Hitler
@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
22 May 11
WE have had alot of prez from differnt religion just might not hurt to put a Mormon in there for a change.
One thing he might stess on is be prrepared and have a stock of food that should last a couple of years well lots of people dont have the room but then I found it good to stock canned good come in handy when ya get a raft of people to feed
@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
22 May 11
yup I grew up here too ANd my moms basement was filled with all kids of stuff us kids had to seperate it all to bring home with us whne she went to the home.
here I still so can goodsand we have a closet just for extra things we might need only thing I need to do is make a first aid kit used to have one but burnt when house burnt when we lived in Tenn
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
22 May 11
True, the LDS teaching of preparation for emergencies would do us all a lot of good. Growing up in Utah, we had a basement and plenty of storage space. When we moved to Florida there were no basements, and little storage space. We had food storage in ever nook and cranny around the house. :~D
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@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
25 May 11
I don't understand it either and frankly it disturbs me. I thought that these issues had been resolved back in the days of Kennedy. Why should Romeny now have to explain his religion?
The truth is that the religious right doesn't really religion other than their own.
I grew up outside Philadelphia and have lived within 30 miles of that city my entire life. Most of us in this area are drenched in early American history from childhood. I know that our founding fathers made some mistakes but they certainly got the religious issue right.
Those guys were lobbied like crazy in 1776 & 1789. The pentecostal religions in the South, the Catholics in Baltimore, the Calvinists in New York, the Puritans in New England - They ALL wanted their religion to be the state religion.
The signers and framers chose to go with William Penn's "Holy Experiment" which meant NOT having a state religion and granting religious freedom to all. So what is the issue with Mitt Romney being a Mormon? (Other than the fact that the religious right doesn't have much tolerance for Mormons) Too bad, because the Declaration and the Consitution do have that tolerance and Romeny's Mormon religion should be a non issue.
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@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
19 May 11
I would rather see anyone but Obama in the White House. I would have no problem voting for a Mormon especially after suffering 2 1/2 years of a very Islam biased president. I lived for four years in a Islamic country as a Christian woman and I can assure any female it is a terrible life to be a non Muslim female in a Muslim country. It is very obvious to me that Obama is covering up his affinity to Islam....(oops no surprise as his entire background is an enigma).
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@matersfish (6306)
• United States
19 May 11
It's also terrible to be a Muslim woman in a slew of Muslim countries.
So I hope all women flee. We will take them here. Welcome!
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
21 May 11
The idea of a Mormon in the White House doesn't bother me a bit, anymore than the idea of someone of any or no religious faith. I've said before, it would be fine with me, actually preferable, if I didn't know anything about a politician's personal religious views. If someone isn't able to separate his or her personal beliefs from their government duties, he or she has no business running for office in the first place, in my opinion.
Now, as for Romney himself, there's no way I'd ever support him even if I agreed with whatever he may CURRENTLY claim to be for or against. It seems like he's been on every possible side of every issue at one time or another. Another thing I've said before is that "flip-flopping" isn't always necessarily a bad thing because people DO change their minds sometimes for legitimate reasons. If someone is willing to own up to it and give a reasonable explanation, I'm fine with it. With Romney we have no way of knowing if the Mitt we see today will be the Mitt we'll see tomorrow.
Annie
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
26 May 11
Just want to jump in to say that I agree with you. There is a time where flip-flopping isn't bad. Some people grow into an issue or get a new understanding and change their position. If they are clear and honest, that's fine, just don't pretend you're being consistent and don't change to score political points.
Mitt Romney's behavior, in my opinion, is that of a political opportunist. I'd respect him far more if he'd be honest about his less popular views. In the republican debate Gary Johnson stated that he was pro-choice. Obviously that's not going to be popular with conservative voters, myself included, but I can at least respect him for being honest about it and I'm not a single issue voter. Ron Paul spoke in support of gay marriage, again, not popular with conservatives, although I personally agree with him, but he had the guts to say it.
Even if I disagree with a candidate I just want to know what they stand for. That's why I thought Obama was so much worse than Hillary Clinton. At least I knew what she stood for. Obama criticized her for things like the Patriot Act and mandating health insurance, that he later supported and signed.
@sid556 (30959)
• United States
20 May 11
I am not a Mitt Romney fan at all but I have to say that whatever religion he practices is not of any concern to me at all. I have heard that complaint though and it just boggles my mind to think that people really think that way in this day and age. Then again when Obama was running, there were many closet racists who came barging out of their metamorphical closets. I wasn't an Obama fan either but his skin color had nothing to do with it. And you'll get the reverse discriminates. Just as many voted for Obama because it was "time for a black president, you'll get those who will vote for Romney because he is a Mormon.
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@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
19 May 11
I have always wondered how much of the objection to his religion came from real voters and how much was being ginned up by the media. If you ask me, the liberal media tries to manipulate the perceived opponents to Obama. While they obviously prefer Romney - reporting that he is the only candidate with widespread support or the only one who is moderate enough to beat Obama - they also prepare the attacks they will use against him, such as his healthcare plan in MA and his religion.
They seek to influence voters to help them choose the weakest possible challenger to Obama. I say, find out who they attack most and nominate that candidate. That's the one they fear most.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
19 May 11
There may be a lot of that, but I've heard people say they would never vote for a Mormon.
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@lawdude (237)
• United States
20 May 11
It's depressing that this issue exists today. I thought that religious bigotry mostly vanished when Roman Catholic JFK was elected President in 1960.
It is apparent that the so-called Christian Right is peopled by many intolerant, self-righteous hypocrites. I also understand that many of that sub-group would like to dilute the modern day distinction between church and state.
As a Christian, I favor individual conscience and respect the right of individuals to worship or not in accordance with their own beliefs. I suppose that I can also be intoleranat--as I have no patience for the self-appointed saviors of Christian values who would impose their faith on me or anyone else.
As an aside, I find it a bit amusing that many of the religious right espouse Ayn Rand libertarianism. I assume they do not know that she was a pro-abortion atheist who equated religion with mysticism and an evil contrary to reason.
@blue65packer (11826)
• United States
21 May 11
A Mormon president would be disaster in the when it comes to gay rights! Mormans are extremly anti-gay! If Romney or anther Morman would become president, all the rights the gays have gotten so far would be taken away! I am sure all the states,for example,who are allowing gay marriages that would be banned! Not to mention even thing else with gay rights would go back to the stone age if a Morman would be come president! America sure doesn't need that!
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
21 May 11
Ask the Gay people of Massachussetts how rough it was for them while Romney was governor.
Ask me if I've ever refused to be friends with someone because they are gay.
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@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
21 May 11
I'm definitely in agreement with you on this one. I don't believe he'd make a truly good president, but why should I care that he's Mormon? It may inform his mindset (& if he values his faith, it had better! I do not like nor do I trust lukewarm followers of any religion!), but so what? Nothing he believes--& I know the tenets of Mormonism well--would put him at odds with being a decent man. He's just not as Conservative, politically, as I'd like.
On the other hand, there are religions which I wouldn't want informing a president's mindset, for many reasons. But no-one who's in the market for the office is in them, so it's an academic point.
Last word on this--should he be chosen as the GOP candidate, & the only other option is BO? You can bet I'd vote for Romney!
I'm glad you brought this up; good topic, Ted!
Maggiepie
“Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.” ~ Dietrich Bonhoeffer, internationally recognized biblical scholar & German Christian pastor, & contemporary & outspoken foe of Hitler