The fuss about Obama's Social Security Number?
@whiteheather39 (24403)
United States
May 24, 2011 9:44am CST
As many of you are aware I am not a fan of Obama and crew of czars. There are many, many reasons I think he is non a good president BUT the constant problems with Obama's SSN baffles me. (Investigators: Obama uses Connecticut Soc. Sec. Number) http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=152773.
My reason being is that my SSN starts with 050 which is a New York issued number. My daughter's SSN starts with 383 which is a Michigan issued number. Neither of us have ever lived in either of these States. We did pass through New York when we came to the States as legal immigrants but have never set foot in the State of Michigan. We both got our SSNs along with our "Green Cards" while we were still living in Germany before we came to the States.
Seemingly Obama's SSN as the records indicate the number was issued between 1977 and 1979, yet Obama's earliest employment reportedly was in 1975 at a Baskin-Robbins ice-cream shop in Oahu, Hawaii and uses are are issue code of The Social Security website confirms the first three numbers in his ID are reserved for applicants with Connecticut addresses, 040-049. The issue codes for Hawaii are 575/576.
However the SSN Numbering Scheme state: Since 1972, when SSA began assigning SSNs and issuing cards centrally from Baltimore, the area number assigned has been based on the ZIP code in the mailing address provided on the application for the original Social Security card. The applicant's mailing address does not have to be the same as their place of residence. Thus, the Area Number does not necessarily represent the State of residence of the applicant, either prior to 1972 or since. http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html
Can anyone help me understand what the fuss is about when there seems to be many anomalies
in the SSN numbering system??
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
24 May 11
There are other names attached to this SS #, not just Obama's. Harrison J. Bounel is an alias or a criminal who has used it as well in the 1990's in Chicago. A debt collector stumbled upon this info.
Madeline Dunham was a volunteer at the Oahu Circuit Court probate department and had access to the Social Security numbers of deceased people. There are multiple SS # attached to the name Barack H. Obama. And attached to addresses HE LIVED AT while in college and the senate.
http://deadlinelive.info/2011/05/22/obamas-social-security-number-tied-to-an-alias-harrison-j-bounel/
http://www.westernjournalism.com/exclusive-investigative-reports/the-mystery-of-barack-obama-continues/
http://theobamafile.com/_eligibility/SocialSecurity.htm
In Obama’s home state, Illinois, Sankey (PI) tracked down 16 different addresses for a Barack Obama or a Barack H. Obama, of which all are addresses he was known to have lived at. Two Social Security numbers appear for these addresses, one beginning with 042, and one starting 364.
In California, where Obama attended Occidental College, there are six addresses listed for him, all within easy driving distance of the college. However, there are three Social Security numbers connected to these addresses, 537 and two others, each beginning with 999, which are not valid SSNs.
In Massachusetts -- where Obama attended Harvard Law School -- we find three addresses, all using the 042 Social Security number. After Obama was elected to the United States Senate in 2005, he moved into an apartment at 300 Massachusetts Ave NW; the Social Security number attached to that address is the 042 one. Yet, three years later, Obama used a different Social Security number for an address listed as: 713 Hart Senate Office Building. This was the address of his United States Senate office. This Social Security number began with 282 and was verified by the government in 2008.
Interestingly, PI's and the debt collector can NOT find Barry Soetoro's info anywhere in any data base? Why?
http://www.westernjournalism.com/exclusive-investigative-reports/the-mystery-of-barack-obama-continues/
There are experts in documents that say his selective service documents are suspcious as well. Blogger Debbie Schlussel has discovered solid evidence that Obama’s Selective Service registration form was submitted not when he was younger as required, but rather in 2008 and then altered to look older. Indeed, the forgers forgot to alter the “Document Location Number” which shows that it is clearly a 2008 form. This is fraud and it’s a felony and Schlussel allegations are backed up by Stephen Coffman, a former high-ranking Federal agent. Moreover, the document shows a September 4th, 1980 date and the location of the transaction as Hawaii, but at that time Obama was thousands of miles away attending Occidental College in Los Angeles. He also allegedly signed it the day AFTER the post office received it?
All in all I'd say there is enough evidence to warrant a closer look. Susan Daniels a PI who dug up much of this info has said she's signed an affidavit and personally gave it to the proper authorities to investigate further. BUT all we see and hear is 'nutcase' and no coverage in MSM except to ridicule. THAT in and of itself makes me WONDER. Can you imagine this sort of thing being discovered about BUSH and not screaming at us from the front pages?
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@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
25 May 11
WOW! WOW! WOW! Now that is what I call facts. I had no idea what there were multiple SSNs used by BO. Thank you for setting me straight. I have never given a BR before on the same day I posted the discussion. However this response is an exception! Excellent work Debra
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
25 May 11
You might say I'm a little obsessed. This man appears to have no legitimate past.
Once you start digging, there's a lot of questions, and very few answers. Thank you so much for the best response, I thought you'd get aggravated at me cause I didn't agree with you.
Take the SS # number from CT; the MSM says that a return address is all it takes to get one from any state even if you live in another state. BUT NONE of the Obama's or Dunham's lived in CT. So why would they use a CT return address? Someone needs to investigate the laws of each state and verify that. We can't just take the MSM's word for it. That is the kind of stuff I mean, they just dole out the excuses and we're all supposed to shut up about it. Think about it, if your SS # turned up attached to someone else's name the authorities would investigate, right? And this man is the freakin PRESIDENT with the CIA and FBI and all kinds of security around him. And even HE personally isn't worried about his supposedly legitimate SS # being used by someone else, give me a break!
Anyway, thanks for the BR.
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@dark_joev (3034)
• United States
25 May 11
I am going to have to agree with Dragon54 for what he stated.
This whole thing started either online or with someone going hey I heard blank and then some more people started to hear it and they where like what if it is true and then set off not to find the truth but to just prove what they have already found to be true which is he is this person who isn't able to be president because he is a not born in the country or that he is hiding some deep dark secret. So they set off and they found that 16 social Security Numbers where found to have existed under a Obama or something close to it and magically he looks like he has 16 different Numbers.
The issuing date could be that date for which a card was last issued. The SSA jumps numbers around and well they can use any number in there system no matter where you are I mean its not like anyone is going to really question it as well people only care at the most that it is a valid number and thats and if that.
So this whole thing is just some Online Rumor like most of the Things about Obama but the few who bought into it don't want to let this story die kinda like that May 21st is the rapture guy he still is holding on that on October 21st god is going to destroy the world in the 24 earthquake manner that he was talking about.
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@dark_joev (3034)
• United States
25 May 11
You mean a Private Investigator Susan Daniels. Well they don't have access to anything more than what others could look up with the proper licenses. They don't have any database that is any form of miracles I mean we know they can track you via SSN, Credit Card Numbers and Use heck even your Cellphone with or without GPS.
She gave it to the Lawyer Taitz who has been thrown out of court for a million and one reasons.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/31235646/Susan-Daniels-Affidavit-Regarding-Obama-s-Social-Security-Number-s
The FBI hasn't seen it.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
25 May 11
On September 30, 2009, Daniels submitted a sworn affidavit of her findings for both of the Obamas which was assimilated into the Barnett v. Obama lawsuit. A second sworn affidavit was submitted on October 19, 2009. Following a dismissal by Judge David O. Carter on October 29, 2009, the case was recently granted a hearing on the merits by a three-judge panel of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals.
OK, IT WAS THE SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION. FORGIVE ME FOR THE MISTAKE.
In March 2011, Daniels wrote to the Social Security Administration (a branch of the Federal Government) and told them that Obama had been using a fraudulent social security number. Of the response she received, she said, “Usually if you get something back from the government, it will say, ‘You’re wrong because of Section such-and-such…’ They’ll cite something proving that you were wrong and why you were wrong. This one is a four-sentence letter, and it said, ‘After reviewing the information you provided, we disagree with your conclusion that a person’s social security number depends upon the address of residence.’ ‘We disagree!’ It’s hysterical, because they didn’t cite any reason why I wasn’t right. It’s not a question of opinion; it’s whether or not my contention was accurate.”
Obama's mother's SS# still in use. Her mother (Obama's grandmother) volunteered at the Social Security Administration and had access to priveleged data. Bill Ayers, an old 'friend' of Obama's and a known law breaker, bragged about creating false identities. Why is there multiple numbers if all is kosher? Why no investigation and outrage FROM Obama when his (supposedly legit) SS # was used by someone else in Chicago in the nineties? Normally its fraud to have more than one number, why no questions asked? The silence of the MSM on this is d@mning.
People who are searching for records are being prosecuted. Judges can and often are bought (re: Taitz being thrown out of court)if you are naive enough to think that they wouldn't do such a thing there's nothing more to say to you.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
25 May 11
There are two professional PI's who independently found the same information. See my response for details.
These professional investigators with access to data bases we can only dream of found Obama's name attached to several different SS #'s. His current number was at one time used by another man in Chicago as recently as the 90's. This info IS ON GOVERNMENT data bases.
It is not just rumor. The FBI has copies of it all. Susan Daniels the one PI signed an affidavit saying she gave it to them personally.
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@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
24 May 11
That part I really cant ell you but I can say mine is from Utah where I lived when I got mine and got my kids thiers later when we lived there again and had to get them for some reason ins or something like that.
Now kids get them issued where they are born and from the state they are born in.
I am thinking that immigrnts gt thiers from states that need morepoepltohave SSN in.
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@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
24 May 11
Mine is from New York surely they do not need more people to have SSNs.
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@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
25 May 11
an other thing I just though t of back in I think 65 my hubby got audited and we found that he and another feller had the same SSN# The other feller was older so they gave my hubby a differnt one and we go each others tax return as they had messed that up too.
@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
24 May 11
I think there is such a fuss about it because sites like WMD picked up on a rumor that Obama had multiple SS accounts. Sure, there were other numbers for that name but responsible people did some investigation and those number belonged to people with like or similar names. Their findings, for some reason, weren't widely distributed--probably because nobody wanted to dignify the rumor.
While I think the guy is destroying the country and it may be deliberate or not, piling on to someone with all sorts of rumors and half-truths only serves to trivialize valid, fact-based criticism. This is where his power lies--his followers hear these ridiculous claims and dismiss the ones that are valid. Maybe they would anyway but those things make it worse.
@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
24 May 11
...Perfect response! That is the reason I started this discussion because Obama screws up enough without making ridiculous stories. You hit the nail on the head when you said "all sorts of rumors and half-truths only serves to trivialize valid, fact-based criticism."
Although I am curious how my daughter and I got different State issued number when we both applied for SSNs at the same time.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
26 May 11
Rob, many of those people attack him (as they attacked Bush) on non-issues like this because they just dislike whoever is in office and don't want to trouble themselves to learn about the issues. So they jump on a bandwagon of one idea and if you asked them about, they could spout a lot of talking points but have no real ideas themselves.
This kind of thing distracts everyone from the real issues and we can't get anything done to help the country. Every president faces this but it's gotten really huge now that we have the internet.
@RobtheRock (2433)
• United States
26 May 11
Thank you dragon54u. Although I don't agree on many of the things many of you say against the president, finally I hear some reason in all this madness. I also give Whitefeather her credit. But this is what supporters of Obama like me have been saying all along. President Obama has different ideas from the past that he is trying to implement. So some of those who don't wan't him to succeed, are looking for things such as the birth certificate, college transcripts, and social security number to start up things as he tries to lead. During the birther fad, people wondered why the president didn't come forward. He has a job to do. But they couldn't let him do his job so they kept picking and suing. Now somebody's throwing another wrench at the gears. Why not just attack him on the issues? If the election board didn't find any problems when Obama applied to run for president, and if they didn't find anything wrong when Clinton's follower questioned Obama's birth certificate during the presidential debates (both events under the Bush administration), why do it now??
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@msmamaof3 (244)
• United States
24 May 11
I'm going to have to agree with you, it is quite baffling when the social security number doesn't match up with where he was supposedly born. Mine is 576 being from HI so you would think that his would be too!
@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
24 May 11
I also meant to add the article which says: 'Criminal' Obama secret gets no media attention http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=300705. This article talks about fraud and criminal activity so I guess that makes my daughter and I both criminals and guilty of fraud?
Yes I agree that one would think he would have a HI issue number but as the above link states it does not have to be from where he was born.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
24 May 11
No whiteheather, if you gave them correct info on application you are not guilty of fraud.
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