Explicit Deletion Notifiers For Responders Can Help Understand Guidelines Better
By theSids
@thesids (22180)
Bhubaneswar, India
May 30, 2011 2:55am CST
Hi Lotters
Over the days I spent here I got quite a few Notifications from MyLot stating and making me aware that the Discussion I participated in was removed. A great feature of MyLot.
I am sure many of us too have recieved such Notifications where we were responders.
But I noticed that though the Approach is Fantastic, it lacks some value. I mean - How good is the statement - "Your answer has been deleted because the question it was under was deleted." - I think it adds to confusions when you are a newbie and even at other times as the reason is not mentioned.
I would suggest that the Reason of Deletion too should be made available to the responders as this way they will know what Guidelines were Skipped on that discussion and maybe this can help in saving some of the discussions from getting deleted. Knowing what actually went wrong, can in some way help us in avoiding posting such content/discussions and that should save at least a few discussions. Also, it would mean a little less work for our dear GAA who is always doing so much for the site's health.
We know that the deletion Notifiers are being sent so it should not be a Big issue at the backend just they need to attach the reason too.
Can we discuss your views on this - maybe it would help us all in understanding MyLot guidelines better and also help the newbies many of whom seem to be confused about such notifiers.
Have A Great Day and Happy Lotting
Cheers,
theSids.
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30 responses
@mysdianait (66009)
• Italy
30 May 11
Hi sids!
Brilliant suggestion!
I know it has been made before but nothing has been done about it and now, with so many new users, it would be so useful!
Everyone here, new and old, has had doubts when they receive that generic motivation when ther rsponse is deleted along with the topic. It is not easy to remember what the discussion was about if it is something that we particpated in weeks previously and therefore we tend to delete the notifier and not think any more about it - only to repeat the same mistake again later on
Add GAA and see if you can get this problem across to him. I'm sure he will think that it is positive and, even though I doubt that he will be abe to implement it, he can speak with those who could.
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@mysdianait (66009)
• Italy
30 May 11
They are indeed entirely different issues.
Send that FR and when you have any information then get back to us nd let us know when/if this addition will appear. I'm certain that it can only be beneficial and anything which is positive should absolutely be suggested and considered
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@thesids (22180)
• Bhubaneswar, India
31 May 11
Hi rich
Great to see you after so many long weeks
Quite true that many do not read the guidelines. Maybe because of many reasons but I think of two - 1. They are placed at a different page and newbies are not that keen in browsing the site, feeling at home before they start (many newbies here are just to earn) and not read. 2. The guidelines are not explicit and quite unclear - from a newbies perspective and those pages are dull too - plain text - who cares for plain text on a website these days.
Now, the Notifiers - they are send out to emails and ok, not all but a few may open up those to see, and opening up the email - may just provide them a clue or an interest to read and know more...
As long as we do not get such changes implemented, quite difficult to ackowledge how far that can help, but as it is not that big an issue (from the sender's point), I think they can experiment with this and maybe a few discussions can be saved each day to start with
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@thesids (22180)
• Bhubaneswar, India
30 May 11
Dear mysdianait
Reading this response, really encourages me to send the FR now.
I had sent twice earler but somehow, they didnt materialize and I think, GAA was busy. The last one when we had a small discussion (it was about allowing us to contribute willingly, for Japan Tsunami and Earthquake Victims, GAA had mentioned he was not the final decision authority). Havent heard back anything further since then... But yes, that and this are different issues and I send the FR to GAA reading the encouraging respononse.
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@thesids (22180)
• Bhubaneswar, India
30 May 11
Hi di
What did you do to your avatar? I Promise I DID NOT Send any Vampire or Dracula your way
Lets hope GAA accepts my FR this time, He had been busy and did not accept my FRs for a few earlier discussions...
Keeping fingers crossed
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@jaiho2009 (39141)
• Philippines
30 May 11
oh my dear sids
don't bother with my avatar- he's my VAMPIRE AND DRACULA at night
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@jaiho2009 (39141)
• Philippines
30 May 11
oh well..is there Dracula and Vampire during daytime?
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@topffer (42156)
• France
30 May 11
Hello thesids,
It is a very good suggestion, and I join my voice to the other responders. I respond sometimes to discussions violating the guidelines and I know that they will be deleted quickly, but it is not the same when a notification comes several days later and that I can hardly remember the discussion and the starter's name -- by the way, I would also like to see the user name of the starter in the notification --. I believe that these discussions were found duplicated or plagiarized, but some deletions sound still mysterious in my mind. And even some deletions of duplicates are not really obvious : I replied a few days ago to two discussions started on the same topic in the same interest in an interval of two hours. Indeed, one of them was a duplicate, but I would not have found by myself that the duplicate was the first discussion started in this topic. It was a one line discussion started by a new member -- his first discussion --, when the second, started by a responder of the first, was very good and well documented. I understand completely the choice of the deletion, and maybe the first has been deleted for another reason, lack of content by example ? In a case like this, knowing the reason given to the starter would be great.
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@thesids (22180)
• Bhubaneswar, India
30 May 11
Hi topffer
That point really adds to my discussion - I would also like to see the user name of the starter in the notification - It would defintely help a responder in identifying a list of people whose discussion are more prone to deletions and maybe we can just PM them to point out or even help them understand the reasons so that they can avoid and save their discussions.
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@visavis (5934)
• Philippines
30 May 11
Actually my friend I understand and got your points about deletion which two days ago I experienced not one but 4 discussions which same notifier. Normally I will ask the same question of WHY? Imagine 8 points deleted on my points and such day only 1 cents I earn, but I just ignore about it and said that's life here in mylot next time be careful.. see you around
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@thesids (22180)
• Bhubaneswar, India
30 May 11
Hi visavis
Ignoring is good and I too ignore as I am not bothered because I know, when there are rules, we must abide by them. But yes, I did start this one to know what others feel. And as Stine mentioned above on #1, it seems, this matter was placed as a discussion quite a many times.
Knowing why will help many prevent deletions.
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@visavis (5934)
• Philippines
30 May 11
your right on your opinion thanks that you brought out about that, but the problem is unable to hear or they heard but no concrete explanation about our side... normally they will say check in the guidelines... so better ignore and ignore it and enjoy in the other part... see you around
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@SIMPLYD (90721)
• Philippines
30 May 11
It's disappointing to receive the notification. I do receive that too sometimes and it's saddens me that it was deleted after having had the effort to think of what should be written in response to such discussion.
Maybe it would have been better that all discussions, more or less being discerned as to whether it broke a guideline should be under "pending discussions", which would at least take a day before it could be really determined whether it has to be deleted. That way, responders will skip it temporarily and go back to it once, it isn't pending anymore.
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@thesids (22180)
• Bhubaneswar, India
30 May 11
Hi SimplyD
I had once placed a discussion to keep a repository of the deleted discussions so that we could check out if anything that we were to start was already deleted. But I think that was not possible as the reasons of removals are quite confusing - like, a post may get deleted if I had posted something similar earlier but the same or similar post may exist for another lotter just because s/he did never post anything like it... On a similar context, a post may get removed just because there are several posts like the one I did. So they may add more confusions.
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@changjiangzhibin89 (16790)
• China
30 May 11
It happens to me many times.I had no choice but to accept bad luck without complaint.There is some reason in what you said.
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@thesids (22180)
• Bhubaneswar, India
30 May 11
Hi changjiangzhibin
Well, yes, we all have times where things go beyond our understanding and we have to accept the things. But we can avoid such situations from recurring if we understood the reason or at least - what went wrong. This is surely giong to help at least some (if not all) and we would see more discussions staying back alive.
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
31 May 11
Here's the problem, I think. Confidentiality. In other words, the person you responded other gets the reason, you don't. Because myLot doesn't want you to know why the other person's response and/or discussion was deleted. That's private.
@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
11 Jun 11
It's sent to the original poster of the post that was deleted, be it a discussion or a response, right?
@anil02 (24688)
• India
31 May 11
Hello Sid, It is disappointing thing if our response is deleted or we cannot post it for any other reason. I faced this problem some time that after typing a respond I received message of "Bad request". I don't know what is bad request and who is responsible for it. Thanks for respond.
@thesids (22180)
• Bhubaneswar, India
31 May 11
Hi anil
We all accept that deletion and it is quite on a rare occasion that the deleted dicussion is restored but that is a different case - maybe a human error somewhere as the deletions are manual.
Getting notified better will surely help many as I see there are hardly any lotters who will want or appreciate their discussions getting deleted.
@Professor2010 (20162)
• India
30 May 11
Sid beta
Now i know about which discussion you are talking of, i felt there was nothing wrong in that discussion, hence i had responded, i agree the exact reason should be specified..
Thanks for the timely discussion
God bless you, have a nice day ahead.
Professor ‘Bhuwan’. .
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@yspmyl (3435)
• Malaysia
30 May 11
Hi Sids,
I did feel the same like what you mention here, I have got a few notification that were deleted without any reason, and I have to figure it out by myself. I think that will be really a good idea to include the reason why our post or the discussion being deleted and at least the person who started the discussion will know what kind of mistakes they have done and they will be more careful and will not repeat the same mistake again. I am totally support this idea!
Be happy always!
@thesids (22180)
• Bhubaneswar, India
30 May 11
Hi yspmyl
The deletion notification for the Starter of the discussion is good already. Though not that explanatory, but it still gives some hint and that should suffice. The ones that are sent out to the participants/responders, do not contain any information except the fact that the ressponse was deleted as the discussion was removed. That I am thinking to ask GAA about.
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@hardworkinggurl (37063)
• United States
30 May 11
Hi thesids
Oh gosh YES! It would be so nice to receive the reason because as a one year user it still at times confuses me. So my thought is that if I was a new user I would have gotten so frustrated and left right away. So an explanation as to why would certainly avoid confusion.
I am usually aware when the notifiers arrive as to what exactly is the violation. Because of my high activity here, and my great memory I can almost always guess, but this is not the same for new users and or anyone here specifically for earnings.
Best example I can give is that yesterday I received a notifier for a really great discussion. There was no absolute way that was a violation, and I interacted a great in that discussion. I though it carefully and went to my trash box to pull up the actual discussion, I was amazed that it was deleted as it should NOT have been. So oddly later in the day the same discussion was started and I though huh, what is this and from a veteran member too.
Well guess what the member felt she had an error in her title so she asked Admin to delete it. That is her choice and I understand but here is the thing thesids any new member and or someone who did not see the new one would not have known that it was NOT an Admin deletion but the member requested it to be removed. So you see how confusing that is for a new member? Especially when the notifier said Guideline Violation.
So I agree thesids myLot needs to really give us the reason so that members do not get discouraged and or can learn from the mistakes. I'm in with your suggestion here.
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@thesids (22180)
• Bhubaneswar, India
30 May 11
Hi GF
Exactly similar situation had happened with me - It was some discussion from another senior - an a close friend - most of us know him, and it was nowhere a violation. But somewhere down, the starter felt that the discussion was going to be negged and also that his take was wrong and asked for its removal. He even posted a comment that he had asked for its removal. As I was following it closely (it was interesting one for me) I was aware, but those who missed out would definitely have been left clueless.
I realized that day, that it is not just the violations but also our own asking for removal too can get a discussion deleted. Also, another issue somewhat related to this is - double posts - like when the browser fails and our discussion gets reposted - in such a situation, the responses get spread to both at times and when Admin find out the dupe, one gets removed... Not a violation but a removal again.
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@hardworkinggurl (37063)
• United States
30 May 11
One of the reasons that if someone notices that their discussion is double posted they should label and tag - duplicate discussion - see other discussion.
But this is only helpful if members actually read the full discussion and tags before they place their response.
I have done this with some of my own responses that if I see my internet has lagged I will immediately go back and place a comment on my duplicate and say,
Sorry for my duplicate response - Please do not comment in this box because I have reported it.
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@inu1711 (5285)
• Romania
30 May 11
Hello Thesids,
For those who know the guidelines, when a notification 'your answer has been deleted..." comes, it will be easy to realize the reason.
Even if I try to stay away from discussions that violate of the guidelines, I still receive such notifications. When I see the notification, I try to guess what was the discussion that has been deleted. My guess is usually right but I am a little disappointed that I couldn't realize that before responding.
Anyway, I managed to reduce the number of notifications of deletion I receive through e-mail. This month I have received only 5 (if I don't count this discussion, that would probably be deleted because somebody here said the problem was discussed before ).
Your idea is good, especially for new users who are not too familiar with the guidelines. Maybe if many of us contact myLot about this proposal, we will see a change. Have you contacted myLot about this?
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@thesids (22180)
• Bhubaneswar, India
30 May 11
Hi inu
As always, I get confused. Many a times I am quite sure about that discussion to be a kind of violation and sometimes stay away... only to find it was legit and no violation and a couple of times, I am quite certain that this is safer... but...
Hope I will always find these guidelines confusing(remember, confusions and me normally are twins). The last one that made me think of this discussion was from a senior lotter, and I dont feel it was violation but just an outvent of some response... I neither knew who led or inspired that discussion and which one, also the discussion did not have any names. It could have been a reason whatever, but that defintely made me think that I too at times post my discussions using wrong words, like the last one where I posted about "People who spoil mood". It too was quite close.
Let us hope that this minor change in the notifications does get implemented and MyLot helps a few is safeguarding their discussions
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@thesids (22180)
• Bhubaneswar, India
30 May 11
Hi brother Akp
Reason is simple - we violate the guidelines - because we fail to understand them better... As the notifications for the Starter are explicit and detail out the reasons, as a participant, if we get the same, we would know the guidelines better. Happy that you too think similar.
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@mtrguanlao (5522)
• Philippines
30 May 11
Hello Sids!
I definitely agree with you Sids as in thumbs up,haha!
When I was new here,I've recieved many notifications and I was surprised and confused if this will affect my account like they will banned me or not. And that made me read the guidelines more carefully. But it is still quite confusing until now to me,haha! Since I still recieved some notifications,oh my! So yes,the notifiers should explain briefly to us why our response was deleted.
See yah!
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@thesids (22180)
• Bhubaneswar, India
30 May 11
Hi mtr
To be honest, even after many discussions, I still feel scared at times before starting a new discussion - as most of my discussions are on the thin lines of violations(I feel that way everytime I get a notifier stating that a discussion that I responded to was deleted).
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@thesids (22180)
• Bhubaneswar, India
31 May 11
Hi funnysis
Thanks for your accprciating and encouraging words here. I read on responses that this was discussed many a times earlier and there has been no outcome. I am not sure about that but I have send out the FR to GAA and am eagerly waiting for a discussion with hopes that this time we go positive about it
@eshaan (6188)
• India
30 May 11
YES, you are right bro, because unless we know the reason, we can't rectify ourselves and there are chances that we can repeat them again and again so it is better that they should clarify these mistakes because if its clarified so it will be better... At least by this method we can come to know some rules because no one has so much time to read each and every rule minutely and remember it...
HAPPY POSTING
@thesids (22180)
• Bhubaneswar, India
31 May 11
Hi eshaan didi
I am one of those who still has not come to remembering all the Guidelines. Maybe after 100 more reads I might have some clearer understanding
And like a few (maybe many) newbies, I too start thinking - really! how could that good discussion be agaist the guidelines when I recieve a notifier - "Your response was deleted because the Discussion was removed"
@pergammano (7682)
• Canada
30 May 11
Good morning, dear "thesids!"Support you 100% on this discussion...and true, it has been purported times before..but not as eloquently, and non-confrontational as YOU have! It certainly would "clear the air"--for persons like me, not always remembering all the discussions I have responded to...AND for persons like me being childlike, WHEN I get my fingers slapped, I like to know why! LOL!
Just want you to know, I have NOT dropped off the face of the map...Spring here in Western Canada, is my busiest time of the year, and this year, it is tipping me over the edge, average being 20/7...so my "puter" time is mostly client billing! Shud slow down by end of July...so if you don't hear from me in print..know that you are hearing from me...in thought and spirit!
@thesids (22180)
• Bhubaneswar, India
30 May 11
Dear pergammano
I remember your mentioning of the time crunch on an earlier discussion and am so happy to read your response here... fills my heart with happiness. I wish you all the very best with you assignments and I will wait for your return as I really feel touched and motivated reading your so lovely responses.
For the discussion, I have sent FR to GAA and hope that this small fix gets implemented and MyLot helps in saving - both - some discussions (if the lotters learn from the explicit notifiers) and also the beloved GAA who spends most of his/her day doing the Deletions (if we learn, there will be lesser discussions to delete) and spend his/her time on other much needed tasks.
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@ruby222 (4847)
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30 May 11
Hmm thats interesting. i wonder why Mylot felt compelled to delete the post. Maybe someone had written something that went against the rules and regulations. I suppose if there was a post that contained something offensive then Mylot would have to take action and delete the post but I do agree it would be helpful to know why the post had been deleted.
@thesids (22180)
• Bhubaneswar, India
31 May 11
Hi ruby
Well, deletion of posts if against guidelines is something that I never question as I always see this is a good thing as I see it to maintain the harmony and also pleasantries here at MyLot. It keeps the site and users under much control - something where FB, Twitter and many others fail.
And Personally I believe knowing what actually went wrong on a particular discussion where I responded can help at least a few lotters refrain from committing same mistakes and also the newbies - who get confused asto why the response got deleted can lean for good.
I think that would save some discussions
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
31 May 11
Hey thesids
I think that is an awesome idea and I would really like it implemented. There is sometimes a lot of confusion..I have wondered why certain discussions I have responded to have been deleted too.
I think it would really assist new members in a better understanding of the guidelines..maybe even some older members too. Even if it was not their discussions getting deleted, they would see what caused a discussion to be.
Great idea!
@thesids (22180)
• Bhubaneswar, India
31 May 11
Hi JenInTN
Quite recenlty when a discussion where I responded to got deleted, I failed to find any genuine logic behind it. But I accepted it as a violation othewise why would they remove it.
This made me think that if I knew the reason why that one got removed, I would sure avoid such a discussion. I think the same will apply for many too...
@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
30 May 11
Hi chhotu,
In the recent past there was no notification when they deleted the discussion topic. The explanation was too short to understand.
Then they started sending notifiers. Even they deleted discussions if they violated the mylot guidelines. Now they have stopped sending notification as well.
Today four of my responses got deleted but I do not know what were the topics. What I feel is that once you introduce a regulation it should not be altered so frequently.
@thesids (22180)
• Bhubaneswar, India
31 May 11
Hi rajib da
Well, this is quite intersting for me as you know I am on my second year here. The notifiers always are just a few words with some link to the normal guidlines pages and these pages look quite boring without a search facility
I agree with you that the rules once introduced should stick on for a longer period but maybe here they felt the change was needed quicker... lets see what turns out of the FR to GAA.