You Want to Talk Issues? Here's One, a BIG One....

@debrakcarey (19887)
United States
June 1, 2011 10:19am CST
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQoGAdrYLbo&feature=youtu.be Mychal Massie, chairman of the Project 21 black leadership network, criticizes President Obama's claim that only minor adjustments are needed to keep Social Security solvent. Mychal points out that demographics will surely bring down Social Security's house of cards if the White House continues to ignore the problem. This segment comes from the 8/18/10 edition of "Cavuto" on the Fox Business Network. Project 21 is a program of The National Center for Public Policy Research. Social Security; modest adjustments? or complete overhaul? or throw the whole thing out? Present sending is unsustainable without raising taxes on payroll and/or businesses. That would cause the economy even further damage. What do you think?
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
1 Jun 11
I have heard many reasonable economists and others propose that for people 50+ the SS should stay the same. For younger people, they should be able to invest in their own retirement savings like 401Ks or other financial tools while contributing a modest amount to SS to serve the people that are left and depend on collecting. This seems reasonable to me and would phase out SS eventually, taking a huge financial burden off the country's coffers and forcing people to plan for their own retirement. I think this would be a good thing. The problem with this is the working poor that are barely getting by, never mind investing some for their retirement. I don't know how we would deal with those people. I think, and it might be a good thing, that we might see inter-generational households where the children are supporting and caring for their parents while the parents contribute with child care and anything else they can do. I wonder if that would work--it would certainly be good for the children and free up both parents to work, knowing their children are in good hands.
@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
1 Jun 11
That's a good point, Debra. I am not exactly working poor but close to it. I have an income from 19 years of marriage that is intended to allow me to put away money for retirement since the money during our marriage was all spent and none saved. I'm partially disabled due to my back and can't work a job that demands standing or moving too much so I live very simply and sock away all that I can. It's not really much of a life. My mother was in your shoes and when she finally retired at 75 her body was so worn out and broken that it took her 5 years to recover. She worked so long so that she'd get enough SS to eak out a living, as she stayed home with us kids for 25 years. My idea of multi-generational households won't work for everyone--in fact, probably not for many. But what else are we to do? No one should starve or have to live in a slum eating Ramen noodles but the alternative is SS--another cash cow for the gov't to dip into. I hope someone comes up with some sort of solution.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
1 Jun 11
It is that parable of the overfull life boat, do we deny some so that others may live? I don't know either. All I know is if there is another crash like we had in the 1930's a lot of people will die or be killed outright. I've heard fist hand stories by both my parents. I am 54, my parents had me late in life. Both were born just as the 20th century dawned. Life is not fair was their mantra to me as I grew up. I was also taught that if someone came to your door, you offered them a bite to eat even if it was the last bite. Where are those kind of values today. If our neighbor is hungry we send them to DFS, if we notice at all. I think we need to return to those values. Now, before it gets to the point of a total collapse of our economy.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
1 Jun 11
@stowic, there is more to extended family than grandparents. And I understand when you point out that it may not be a safe thing for some elderly to watch a rambunctious two year old. that is where aunts and cousins and -in laws come in. But we are so disconnected as a society and morality has degraded to such a point we often cannot depend on 'extended' family to step in. And THAT was planned and has played out just like the social engineers wanted. But we are talking about the mind set here that teaches 'deserve'. If you look at it this way...I had children. I am responsible before God for their lives and their children's lives. It was my decision to bring them into the world. Not theirs to be brought into the world. I am morally responsible for that action of giving birth. Families now a days don't view it as that. They view it as a job, when its done...no more responsibility. That they 'deserve' their retirement free from family responsibilites is not how its always been. It is a recent development in our society.
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@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
7 Jun 11
I think 0bama is a liar. He knows full well that Social Security is in deep trouble. He is also trying to fool the American people in believing otherwise so that he can push his socialist agenda. Social Security must be revamped. Ideally it needs to be phased out while allowing for the younger generation to finance their retirement through other more sustainable means. Bush had the right idea in that, but as we all know, he was beat up over it.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
7 Jun 11
Economics has never been my strong point. I am not like most women, money has never been something I gave much thought to, it has only been a means to survive and provide for my family. I go through periods where I wish I was rich. But only because I am tired and its hard to drag myself off to work. Consequently, I have never tried to understand how economics works. I either had enough to pay my bills or I didn't. I've been trying to catch up and learn just what it is that has brought us to this point and who is responsible for the mess. It's not an easy task and one I am not enthusiastic about. I am still as confused as I started out being.
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• United States
8 Jun 11
That should have read the poster below, not above. These leftists are enough to drive someone to distraction with their Marxist philosophies. Time for some culling.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
8 Jun 11
I've figured out about the income in/income out thing. And I've figured out that if you put money away for later and someone uses it for themselves, it is theft. I've figured out that paying more and getting less so someone who paid less can get more is wealth redistribution as well. I've also figured out that socialists believe that you are not intitled to what you work for. Now, tell me....how do we make them STOP operating in the red, stealing our money to cover it up the theivery, and giving our money to our enemies like the PA, and how do we get rid of the love of socialism in the hearts of Americans?
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
8 Jun 11
It's a shame this issue has been ignored for so many decades; if it hadn't been, maybe we wouldn't be in this position. I mean, it sure hasn't been a secret that the Baby Boomer generation exists and knowing that it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that will mean millions of people retiring within a relatively short number of years, many of whom will live up to three decades or more after retiring. There is a solution but it's one all of the politicians are afraid to touch with a ten foot pole. The payroll tax should be paid on all earned income, not just the first $110,000 or whatever the cut-off is now. Another thing is SS should be means tested; for millions of seniors a $1000 check give or take a few hundred is all they have to survive on but multi-millionaires and billionaires wouldn't even miss it. I know the right disagrees here but it is a solution. There's always talk about raising the retirement age even higher and it's often said how the life-expectancy is so much higher now than it was when SS first started. That's true, BUT the ones who are living the longer lives aren't the people who work at extremely physical jobs. It's one thing for someone to work past 70 years old if they're sitting at a desk and don't have a whole lot of stress but it's another for someone working in a coal mine, on road construction or delivering mail on foot in all kinds of weather. Annie
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
8 Jun 11
I do agree that it should be paid on all income. But lets look at the 'means tested' suggestion; IF SS is taken out of ALL income, that means the higher income bracket is paying MORE. Right? How is it then right to pay them LESS when it comes their time to retire? Raising the retirement age won't do away with those who are unable to work due to chronic illness or sentility or age related debility. And you are correct, working till you're 70 at a job that does not require physical strength is one thing, but I'm here to tell you that my job requires me being on my feet for 7.5 hours and I drag myself up and down those halls the last four hours. It has been told to me by my doctor that it is making my back injury worse as well. I cannot imagine doing the work my son does out in the 100 degree heat of summer building homes or pouring concrete or tarring a roof at 70. He is 34 and he collapses after a full day out in the heat. It would help if the social security money had not been taken and spent on other projects. It might help if there were more incentive to invest privately in other things like 401K's and private retirement funds. But now we are told the federal government has their greedy little eyes on them as well.
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@elmiko (6630)
• United States
2 Jun 11
yes, i think right now raising taxes would cause damage to the economy. it just too fragile currently.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
2 Jun 11
I agree elmiko, I agree.
• United States
1 Jun 11
Having people save for their own retirement will remove ALOT of spending money from the economy and force as big a drain on economic growth as taxing business would. Risking retirement on investing in companies, while better than private savings for the economy, is just too risky for the individual retiree as recent retirees have found. Private investment is only a good alternative for the economy AND citizens if the investment funds are guaranteed not to drop below actual invested amount by the Federal Government, a risky budgetary gamble unless the taxes on that investment cover the risk. Social Security needs to change and I wouldn't call the changes minor, just no one person is going to take responsibility for a major change so it needs to happen very slowly, say, one small change per Congressional session instead of one sweeping Bill. That was the same mistake Congress keeps making with the Medical System Bills: Too much lumped into one bill instead of several small changes. Temporarily, funding needs increased so the government should seek money from user based taxes that are unaffected by increasing of their taxation or result in a healthier country, like taxes on Passports, smoking, gasoline, coal, companies that outsource their workloads to overseas, bonuses given to executives in companies that have had layoffs in the previous year and companies that reduced benefits within the previous year. Couple those with an across the board pay cut in Washington and I could find the money. Vote Balthasar the Rat as write-in on all your ballots!
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
1 Jun 11
And where do you stand on other issues first Balthasar? My first thought when reading your suggestions was what I wrote up above. Life is not fair and nothing is gauranteed. It is not the govenments job to do any of this; it is their job to assure a level playing field, not the score of the game. I do agree what ever is done must not be done rashly without thinking it through. More taxes would do the same thing to the economy as having people save and invest on their own. AND remove the choice factor from them.