Do you know that Personal Messages are filtered at myLot ?
By topffer
@topffer (42156)
France
June 6, 2011 2:41pm CST
I translated some lyrics of a French song for a friend and sent them with a Personal Message. This poetical rap song begins with the word "F**k"... and my PM was rejected because I was violating myLot's rules :
"The following word or words violate myLot's terms of use:
f**k
Please reword your submission and try again."
I was thinking that Personal Messages were private, and that I could do in the privacy of my PMs what I was able to do in the privacy of my home.
Did you knew that Personal Messages were filtered ? Have you experienced this when writing a torrid love letter to one of your myLot's -- very good -- friend ? When insulting a friend before deleting this friend of your list ? In another circumstance ? Do you think that this filter blocking four letters words is useful for PMs ?
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26 responses
@mysdianait (66009)
• Italy
6 Jun 11
I am aware that there are certain words that won't go through, but as I don't use them, I don't have a problem them with them. There is one word that I use in private when others might use 'darn' or 'drat' but mine is more toilet-related and it didn't pass when I was ranting with a friend
I feel that it is great that myLot protect our private parts too, so that those who would love to chuck a load of abuse our way on the discussions but can't because of the Guidelines, are also blocked from doing so in PMs too
I don't like rap, fell out with love along time ago and I don't insult in public or in my own home.
I am amazed that you, in private, are so different from the perfect French monsieur that you appear here in public in the discussions - unless of course it happened when you are playing scrabble when the situation might of course need certain words, especially if the opponent is we know who
@purplealabaster (22091)
• United States
6 Jun 11
I am absolutely sure that we do not know to whom you might be referring.
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@hardworkinggurl (37063)
• United States
6 Jun 11
Hi topffer
Yes I knew they got filtered when it comes to foul words and or mature content. Though I am one to filter them, although I must add I have not sent any poems, love songs and or any rap music either. lol
I think it just has to do with the script myLot as a whole. I don't think it has to do with allow or disallowing in PM's, I just think that whichever the myLot script is that they used the same in PM's too. Or maybe a way to prevent any misunderstandings between members. Could be a possibility.
@purplealabaster (22091)
• United States
6 Jun 11
Maybe they just wanted to make users get more "creative" with their word usage rather than just being blunt ... kind-of like keeping a little something covered is seen as more sexy (at least sometimes) than exposing everything at once!
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@hardworkinggurl (37063)
• United States
6 Jun 11
I often wondered why I could not send my sexy pictures through PM.
Guess it would be to hard for a member to see.
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@mysdianait (66009)
• Italy
6 Jun 11
HWG that last comment is...erm... HILARIOUS!
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@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
6 Jun 11
Hi topffer,
Feel sorry that your PM was rejected only on the basis that you used there "immoral" words.
Though I have not had any such experience so far I can well guess that these words are programmed for all purpose. I mean discussion, response, comments and PMs.
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@purplealabaster (22091)
• United States
6 Jun 11
I didn't know it before, but I know it now! So who is this mysterious friend that you are engaging in such torrid (or perhaps it should be lurid) dialog with in PMs? Do I have to hunt her down and give her a good butt-whooping?
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@purplealabaster (22091)
• United States
6 Jun 11
I don't speak French either ...
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@hardworkinggurl (37063)
• United States
6 Jun 11
I recall sending and receiving in Spanish and it was not filtered.
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@inu1711 (5285)
• Romania
7 Jun 11
Hello Topffer,
I don't know if anybody looks into my private messages (human or not) but I know that some of the messages I wrote were not received by the addressee (including one message sent to you ).
I don't mind if they block insulting words (in fact I like this) because I seldom use them. But when they completely block 'some' messages - this I don't like. I waited for the answers for days and then I thought my friends were mad at me that they did't respond.
At least we're allowed to use more than three emoticons in our messages. (if this was possible into responses and comments, I would have been used a few more here LOL)
@topffer (42156)
• France
8 Jun 11
You have not to tag the messages, but they will not be sent if you don't hit 'Skip'. The box of Octav was not commented when you gave a response, and, for the apologies, you have just made them publicly. At least you will know now how to send a PM. If you want to use this new knowledge to insult me in a PM to have started this discussion, don't forget that this filter is still there and you have to watch your language.
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@inu1711 (5285)
• Romania
7 Jun 11
Thank you both for letting me know about the possible mistake I make. (probably I would have omitted to read the late comments into the previous boxes )
I think this is why my messages were not sent. When I don't want to add a tag, I usually close the tab after hitting 'submit'.
I was accusing myLot of something I was guilty about. To whom do I have to pay excuses now?
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@purplealabaster (22091)
• United States
8 Jun 11
Inu, the filter may still be in place, but I am sure that you can find creative ways to get around that filter if you are really interested in insulting Top, and you can even view it as a challenge if that is more of an inspiration. Just do not forget to ask him about his wheelchair when you are insulting him as he loves to be reminded that it is broken.
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@Octav1 (1419)
• Romania
7 Jun 11
I've heard that personal messages are not quite personal. It seems that Mylot has some filters that eliminates the unwanted messages. Once I send a message to a friend and I wrote it in our native language. She said she never got my message. And if I go check my sent messages this one is missing.
I think that if we want to send a real personal message, we could use the e-mail address instead of Mylot's PM.
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@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
7 Jun 11
I agree, since MyBot lies about it being private. I'm going to use snail mail if it's something I don't want them to yank for any of their many arbitrary reasons!
Maggiepie
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about the things that matter most." ~ Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King
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@GoAskAlice (5828)
•
7 Jun 11
Let me be very clear on something...private messages are private. No one but you can see them.
The only way I could see them is to actually log in to your account and I do not and am not aloud to do that.
The filter that screens the words in them is an automatic script and I do not have access to what it is screening. It is all done internally within the site's coding.
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@topffer (42156)
• France
7 Jun 11
Hi Octav,
I have noticed a difference between PMs and responses : if you don't tag a response, it will be displayed even if you don't hit the button, but it is not the case for a PM, and I think it is what could have happened to your message. You thought that you sent it, and you have probably omitted to hit the last button.
@Maggiepie: I exchange email addresses with my good friends here to be sure that I would be able to contact them if one of one of us canceled the account at myLot in a moment of madness, and I use emails instead of PMs with some of them.
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@KrauseHome (36447)
• United States
12 Jun 11
Well, I think they do this to protect people here. Because there are people I am sure who have gotten upset with a comment one of their friends, etc. have posted here or back on one of their discussions and have wanted to lash out in a personal message in retaliation. So personally I think this is for the Best that they are doing this, and nothing really against you or the song.
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@purplealabaster (22091)
• United States
13 Jun 11
Unfortunately, even with the filtering in place for PMs, there is no way to block abusive content unless you delete the person from your friends list. The filters only block certain words, and some of these words are not even "bad" words, especially depending upon their context. A person can be very nasty and abusive without ever using any of these words, which would not trigger the filter and the PM would go through just fine.
@topffer (42156)
• France
13 Jun 11
Responders are divided in two camps in this discussion : you are for this filter, and I am against it for PMs, and we have valid arguments in both camps. There is probably a third way possible, like for "mature content", that we have to authorize. It would be nice to offer to each member the possibility to activate or not this filter for PMs, so when somebody like me, who uses a four letter word every two years but wants to be able to write and receive any word in a PM, would want to write a bad word to somebody like you -- no offense, just an example -- who don't want to receive them, the filter would be activated and I would read : "this member does not accept this word in a PM", and I would have to use a better language.
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@dpk262006 (58678)
• Delhi, India
7 Jun 11
You see, when one is using mylot platform for sending PMs, s/he will have to follow the guidelines laid down by mylot. If mylot does not allow use of certain words, then that condition cannot be relaxed for PMs and it applies to all mylotters. You may write a love letter or hate mail through PM, however, you need to follow the guidelines and not but not the least, personal messages are private and only the user and sender could see it, when they are logged in.
@purplealabaster (22091)
• United States
8 Jun 11
I know that PMs are private, and I also know that the same filters apply to them as those that are present in the discussions. I have to agree with Top, though. We are encouraged to use PMs to communicate privately with our friends on here rather than doing it in the discussions. Since that is our myLot e-mail system, we should be free to say whatever we want in them, especially since we have the opportunity to delete a "friend" if we deem them inappropriate. It is not as easy to block a person in an e-mail communication, and we are free to say whatever we want there.
@topffer (42156)
• France
7 Jun 11
Hello dpk,
Sorry if I disagree : PMs are part of myLot's privacy policy and guidelines don't apply to them. We can report a PM if an abuse is committed -- but there is no "!" button to do it --, and/or delete the friend who committed the abuse. It is what myLot calls a "private and safe environment" for the internal mail, and has nothing to do with guidelines, applied only for discussions.
For the filters in the PMs and their privacy, you can read the comment and response of GAA in boxes #18 and #22.
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@anklesmash (1412)
•
7 Jun 11
I am not keen on the idea of my lot filtering personal messages as they in my opinion they should be private.I think the only interference my lot should be able to do would be after a pm being reported for content that recipient didn't approve of.So your poem message would be fine as both approved but if an offensive message was sent the recipient could then bring it to the attention of my lot who could take appropriate action.
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@purplealabaster (22091)
• United States
7 Jun 11
I do not think that it is necessary to filter PMs. On the other hand, if myLot were to take the filter off the PMs, then would it increase the traffic on the server and affect the performance of the site? I mean, there are a lot of users on here. Not everyone sends PMs, but some people have several friends they are PMing at the same time. If every post had to be check to see whether or not it was a PM versus a post on the boards, then would that affect the performance on the site? Still, we can use more than three emoticons in PMs, so there must be some type of checking already in place, and it might not take much to change what is already there.
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@topffer (42156)
• France
7 Jun 11
I was exchanging some links on YouTube, and I translated the first verses of a song for a friend : there was nothing wrong here.
GoAskAlice has responded in box #22 about the privacy of PMs.
I share the same opinion than yourself about this filter : I don't think it is necessary to filter PMs, but, as you can see in this discussion, many members think that it is a useful feature.
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@GoAskAlice (5828)
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7 Jun 11
I will say this again, private messages are private, period.
The filtering is done by an automatic script that works internally with in the sites code. I do not have access to your messages, we do not have some one sitting here 24 hours a day monitoring and filtering private messages.
We can argue whether or not they should be filtered, but they are still private, filtered or otherwise.
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@purplealabaster (22091)
• United States
7 Jun 11
*giggle, giggle* So does that mean that if we talk about you in our PMs, then you will get a strange ringing in your ears (or would that be more of a tingling in your fingers) but won't know why?
@MagicalBubbles (5103)
• Canada
6 Jun 11
Im sorry you had personal message blocked.
I dont take the internet for granted and I NEVER assume its private. Not emails, not Messenger, not anything. The reason Im saying this is that there are agencies mandated to check out the internet. They use very sophisticated programs that will sound an alarm when certain keywords are used. For example, the word "terrorist" might sound an alarm. If so, it means that the person sitting in front of the screen will be able to see what Im writing right now. The same must be true with the word "bomb". So it could be a fun email or a real terrorist trying to send out a message and it will be read by this agency here in Canada......but I know they have others all over the world.
So beware, the internet is NOT private EVER!!
PS: I like to write suspicious keywords just to keep those people on their toes haha!! At least MY money is not paying them to do nothing!!
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@purplealabaster (22091)
• United States
8 Jun 11
So when it was popular slang to say that things were "the bomb" (meaning really good or the best), then most of the American population (at least those under a certain age) must have been suspect. I wonder if they were getting overtime for all that tracking ...
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@topffer (42156)
• France
6 Jun 11
It was blocked until I replaced a letter with '*'. I am using only encrypted email communications with my phone, and I think they are at least protected from "basic" hackers. It is fun that you speak of "bomb" here, as I sent also a YouTube link for a song called "Paris under the bombs", but "bombs" are only used for tags in this song. I believe that I am tagged as a dangerous "terrorist" now. OMG ! I have just sent two other warnings.
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@jennyze (7028)
• Indonesia
8 Jun 11
I guess because it is the same site so they use the same system. I think I experienced before. Maybe Mylot is trying to save members from getting insulted of that four words. But, I found several words which are prohibited here which I don't think they should be prohibited.
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@topffer (42156)
• France
8 Jun 11
I think it is to post more quickly our responses and comments that the parser is not smart at all and does not check the context, but only the word. A word can have various meanings and maybe you know only the correct ones, lady jennyze. When it happens I just replace a letter by '*' to bypass the filtering and post it again. This filter is certainly useful for new members to understand that they have to use a correct language at myLot.
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@jennyze (7028)
• Indonesia
9 Jun 11
English is only a second language for me, so how come I know the correct ones? I might be don;t understand most of the words written and just tried to grasp the meaning...
I know, many of people who learned English for the first time tried to mimick the bad words trying to show off...
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@misterMR (796)
• Philippines
7 Jun 11
I have never experienced any of it because most of my messages were not hate messages. But I guess if I'm going to try it, myLot would filter the message. Mylot's the hidden ninja in the message or PM section, so we have to be careful.
@topffer (42156)
• France
7 Jun 11
at "Mylot's the hidden ninja". You can give it a try, but if myLot removes this filter tomorrow you are taking a risk. It is your choice to live dangerously. I don't think I will ever send a hate message. My only problem with PMs was with members with (0) post who were sending spam -- and only a few are doing this --. I was sending them a PM to stop after the second spam. One did not replied and did not stopped : I deleted this member from my list last month and I have decided to not accept in the future a member with (0) near the name in my friends list.
@mysdianait (66009)
• Italy
6 Jun 11
If you have those sort of ideas then
it is just as well that there ia filter!
Hi there Rose!
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@topffer (42156)
• France
6 Jun 11
Welcome to myLot, Rose !
It is a good thing to filter these words in discussions to keep them friendly, and I wish you to enjoy this site like many of us do. I have just realized that PMs were also filtered, and I am surprised. My ideas are also very limited here.
@ladygator (3465)
• United States
9 Jun 11
It makes sense that it would be filtered and also that they would tell you to reword it. But besides them. what you put out into the Internet is never private. Its out there lingering around for ever.
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@topffer (42156)
• France
10 Jun 11
Not everything is public on the internet and generally emails and private messages are private...
There is something strange with your avatar, ladygator that I have noticed before : when I comment your response, I get a nice photo of a turtle that I don't see in the discussions. Is there a tip to do this or is it a bug ?
@ladygator (3465)
• United States
10 Jun 11
I think thats good then that not everything is open season for everyone to just nose into. But about the picture thing. I think its a bug. I see it that same way its like everyother screen shows it? I dont know. lol
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@allknowing (137771)
• India
7 Jun 11
I think they use the same software that they use while we participate in discussions. I just got reprimanded for typing the nursery rhyme in one of my topics for discussion: "Ding Dong Bell, p..... in the well" I deleted that rhyme and rewrote the topic!.
If you tag your PM as mature content may be you are liberated?
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@purplealabaster (22091)
• United States
7 Jun 11
Even if you tag your topic "mature content", there are some things that you will not be allowed to post here. It is software that filters the text, so the content is not what is being filtered but rather specific words regardless of their usage. For instance, there are some words that are perfectly innocent when used in a certain way but in other context they refer to specific anatomy on the human body. It does not matter what context you are trying to use the word in, because the software cannot tell context, so at least one of these words (which is a common American name) is banned altogether while another one (which is a common ingredient in recipes for chicken dishes) will automatically trigger the "mature content" tag.
@allknowing (137771)
• India
7 Jun 11
@PA But many have learnt the trick here inasmuch as they leave a space or two and use those words that are taboo here as per the software norms specially in an environment where the concerned word is far from being 'mature' or 'adult'.
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@topffer (42156)
• France
7 Jun 11
Nursery rhymes are not always "politically correct". I remember a comment about the origin of another one -- "Mistress Mary, quite contrary,..." --, three weeks ago in "humor", and the origin is not correct at all.
I am adult, and I thought that my PMs were already tagged "Private" ?
@visavis (5934)
• Philippines
7 Jun 11
Oh really, thank you for this information I thought PM (personal or private message) is private and personal, which you and the concern would see but why it happened. Now I know and proved that what ever we are doing here in mylot admin known through their system... I remember a couple of days one discussion about PM asking a question is it private or what. then some answers are private which you and the concern only see meaning having privacy.. but what is this?
@topffer (42156)
• France
7 Jun 11
GoAskAlice gives a response in box #22 about privacy. I was more focused on the filter that on the privacy of PMs -- A filter does not mean that somebody reads PMs --. Personally I think that a PM has not to be filtered, because it is personal and private, and that we can always report an abuse, but several members responding to this discussion think that this filter is useful...
@moirai (2853)
• Philippines
7 Jun 11
Lol!
I suppose this is a case of filtering... that is, it's automatic and does not, in any way, mean that the message is not private still.
No, I haven't experienced this because I haven't used any filter-worthy words in PMs. =P I don't really mind if it's there or not.
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@ariana01 (182)
• United States
7 Jun 11
I haven't been here for long so i didn't know they did that. I think that it is wrong that they look through your personal messages. That makes me feel like not sending any. For that i would just send through my real email. This kind of makes me mad.
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@mysdianait (66009)
• Italy
7 Jun 11
Hi ariana and welcome to myLot!
There is a slight misunderstanding. It is a script which automatically filters the bad words in PMs and not a human. There is no-one reading our messages except us and the other person who we send it too. They are absolutely private
@topffer (42156)
• France
7 Jun 11
I thought that we were able to send anything in a PM since I noticed that there is no limit for the number of emoticons. I was surprised when I saw this filter. I hope it is the same than for cloud computing, and that our PMs are completely private : a filter does not mean that a myLot's employee can read them, but I share the opinion of Ariana : sent to friends and private, they have not to be filtered.
@sjvg1976 (41290)
• Delhi, India
7 Jun 11
Hi topffer,
I do not know whether PMs are filtered or not because i normally don't use it.
But if these are filtered then it is good because this is social site & people should not use such words which need to be censored who knows these PMs too are not PMs actually.But its great that admin do filter tham & deliver it to the recipient because there would have been flood of vulgarity in user's message (PM) boxes if they were not doing this.
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@allknowing (137771)
• India
7 Jun 11
We can't even say Tom d... and Harry. Nothing vulgar here but the software thinks otherwise!
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@topffer (42156)
• France
7 Jun 11
I believe that the parser does not do a syntactic analysis to accelerate the time needed to post a response or comment. There are moments where myLot is slow, and it would make things worse to make filters more smart. The problem of filtering PMs is different : they are supposed to be private and sent only to friends. I don't see a true necessity to filter them : we can always delete a friend or report a PM...