A Disrespectful Student
By rokudaime
@rokudaime (339)
Australia
June 10, 2011 9:38am CST
A student approached a teacher to ask for his signature. Instead of being polite, courteous and respectful to the teacher, the student threw the paper and lambasted it on the table of the teacher. As a normal being, the teacher reacted to the manner the student treated him and reprimanded the student. However, instead of being sorry for everything, the student continued to disrespect the teacher by answering back the teacher as if she's in the same level with the teacher.
Seeing this incident, I was so disgusted and so mad about the student. I was just thinking that students right now are seemingly loosing the virtues and values that they should have especially with regards to proper behaviour and attitude in front of the teacher. How about you myLotters? Did this unlikely event ever happen to you? If you were the teacher, how would you react on this? How ill you handle the situation?
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@daeckardt (6237)
• United States
11 Jun 11
Although this hasn't happened to me personally, I think the way I would handle it would be to ignore the action and then after I had a minute to get my thoughts together, I would hand the paper back to the student and calmly state that if you want the paper signed, you will approach me in a respectful manner and ask me to sign it. If this does not work, then I would then place the paper in the trash can and tell the student that I don't do things for people who are disrespectful of me. I would then tell the student that if he wants the paper signed he can get it out of the trash can and ask me respectfully to sign it. If he still refuses, I would take him to the office and have them handle the situation. There is no reason a teacher should have to put up with that kind of disrespect. It wouldn't be tolerated in many places, but I know that at least in America, teachers are afraid to do anything because they could get in trouble legally for any minor action taken against a student.
@daeckardt (6237)
• United States
14 Jun 11
I do tend to be an idealist and if I were actually in a classroom that is how I would handle it only because I would want to get across the idea that giving respect is the only way that you will get it. You know, teaching by example. I know that the law in many countries now place the child's needs and desires over the adult and it makes them think they can do anything they want since they know the teacher can't do anything to stop them. I guess that is one reason that I prefer to work with adults because they normally know better and if a college student acts up in class, it is easy to ask them to leave because they are not required to be there by law.
@rokudaime (339)
• Australia
16 Jun 11
Hi there daeckardt!
Well at least in America your students are not required by law as education is a privilege. Comparatively speaking in the Philippines, that is not the case, as education is suppose to be a right of every child. Well again, this incident did not happen in a classroom situation but outside where a student needed something from a teacher. The teacher did not know who the student is and she never did become the teacher's student in his classes.
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@rokudaime (339)
• Australia
14 Jun 11
In the first two sentences of your reply, it sounded like an idealist is writing something. But towards, the end, I would say, I totally agree with you. In America, they have a law on students' rights. For this, students are protected from any disciplinary actions from the teacher i.e. verbal or physical. Moreover, in the Philippines, the government duplicated the American law thereby creating the Watch Child 163 (Bantay Bata 163). This I believe, is the reason why students nowadays have the guts to do whatever they want because they are PROTECTED by this law. I am thinking that this law is providing the students a wrong concept of the word PROTECTION. I hope the government leaders would reconsider this.
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@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
11 Jun 11
Simple he would be throewn out of the class and he couldn't come back in until he apologize for being rude. And if he chooses Not to return I would sign the transfer papers. He is gone. This way I don't have to have his legs broken, my first reaction!. Sadly kids are not being taught how to be polite.
@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
12 Jun 11
Here The parents Should teach their kids manners but they don't!
@rokudaime (339)
• Australia
11 Jun 11
True sarah. I really do not what has become of our society. I just hope that this will be remedied soon. I hope that some values and virtues will be restored. Here, parents play a vital role in honing their child's values in life. sigh...
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@rokudaime (339)
• Australia
14 Jun 11
Yes sarah I agree with you 100% that it is the premier role of the parents to educate their children. However, a sad reality throbs all of us i.e. parents lack the time and capability of disciplining their own children. Various factors can be considered on this although I am not saying ALL parents are like this. There are still those who are exempted to this. Shalom! ^_^
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@gerald_lian (2188)
• Australia
10 Jun 11
That incident is just terrible! That student is totally rude and disrespectful there......students like these should be punished by either caning them, giving them a huge reprimand or sending them to detention for a whole month! I mean seriously, if I were the teacher, I would have told the student that I will never ever sign on the paper he/she just threw at me, and if he/she continues to be rude, I will literally shred the paper right in front of that student just to give him/her a lesson about respect. How could the student ask for a favour from a teacher who owes nothing to the student and the student be rude and disrespectful? Any human being would have become infuriated in such a situation (me included)! I do agree many students these days have a very indifferent and disrespectful attitude towards teachers, who in the past used to be looked up to, revered and respected. I guess the times have changed, which is such a shame......
@rokudaime (339)
• Australia
11 Jun 11
I can feel your heart palpitating as the atrocity heightens. Well, the feeling is mutual. That student should have not done that to the teacher. The teacher does not owe her anything whatsoever, so why act so rude towards the teacher? To begin with, the teacher does not have any single idea who that student was. Indeed, it is a shame how most of the students nowadays behave. A sad but true reality that we must all face. Thanks for the response.
@gerald_lian (2188)
• Australia
11 Jun 11
Yes, my veins are indeed throbbing at the very moment I read your discussion! I can totally relate to this situation because both my parents used to be teachers and they will come back daily with chat about students like these in their schools......and it is shocking that some students (and their parents) put the teachers at fault almost all of the time for trying to discipline the student, and some parents even go so far as to file a lawsuit against the teachers for that. That is just unfathomable; what has society come to?
@rokudaime (339)
• Australia
11 Jun 11
Indeed. Sad but true. It is pretty obvious that our society's morale is deteriorating every now and then. Let us just hope for the best for our society. I wish we can turn back time when people are still at a high level; full of virtues and values. Not like today, people are doing things even if they know its wrong.
@maezee (41988)
• United States
10 Jun 11
What do you mean the student asked for the teacher's signature? Like as we would do if we saw a celebrity, or what?! I think I missed the main point of this as I didn't understand the context but I Think that there was probably something wrong with how both the teacher AND the student acted in this scenario.
@rokudaime (339)
• Australia
11 Jun 11
Thank you moirai for clarifying this "signature" issue to maezee. I think the student has an apparent attitude and behavioral problem. This can be due to many factors such as: family problem, emotional instability, teenage pregnancy (maybe, the girl looks saggy and dry - I am sorry for the term, but that's how I can describe her the way I look at her), broken relation among others. However, having problems do not mean that we have to drag other people to the mess where one is. I believe it would be very unfair and unlikely. In this incident, it is the student who has the problem, her attitude is her problem.
@Prinzedbeck (163)
• Malaysia
12 Jun 11
Wow this is great to be discussed. The real thing is students nowadays are geting more and more and more disrespect to teachers especialy as they are more protected by law, people out there who never been a teacher and parents where some of their parents are teacher too! Means that student can do whatever they like because they knew they are protected though it's completly wrong they are always been backup by these some sort of immunity created by you, people who always said backup them doing this kinda stuff. Sad right, but that's the truth, that's the price of beaing a teacher. Don't get shocked as their disrespectful not only for teachers but to people outside schools too, elderly, disable, or maybe you who always backup them because whenever they get used to it they will bring it for whole of their life, so no complaint later on ok. Cheers!
@mysticmaggie (2498)
• United States
12 Jun 11
The more the government takes over 'parenting' the less real parents have a say in their children's lives. If we want to take back that responsibility, we have to fight to have some of the more outrageous laws killed. When is it ever good that a child can have an abortion without the parent even knowing she's pregnant?
When is it ever good that schools can give birth control to children (now they want to give it to eleven year olds) that the parents do not want their child tempted to use?
Yet, we sit by and let the government take over more and more of our children's lives because the minority squeaks the loudest while we sit on our bottoms.
@KingLobster (219)
• United States
13 Jun 11
This is such a terrible situation. I hate to hear about stories like this. They do seem to be rather commonplace these days. I personally have never felt any need to be so disrespectful to someone who was older than I, particularly if that person is a teacher.
There seems to be a lot of sense of entitlement in our society. In all likelihood, this kind of thing is streaming down to children. This is an unfortunate thing, and we must take responsibility to correct people when we see this kind of thing happening. I would even venture to say that it is fine to correct someone else's child when they are acting out in a disrespectful manner in public. Hopefully things will take a turn for the better.
@rokudaime (339)
• Australia
16 Jun 11
Yes I agree with you KingLobster. We must take the action and not put all the burden and load to the government. Parents and responsible adults should do something about this. Otherwise, this kind of unfortunate event will keep on and on and on. And yes, we can only hope for the best.
@ladym33 (10979)
• United States
11 Jun 11
I have never understood why people would be disrespectful to a teacher unless of course that teacher had maybe been disprespectful first. I think if I were the teacher I probably would have done what that teacher had done and reprimanded that student for their rude behavior. That is about all you can do, I suppose she could have sent the student to the principal or something or given her a detention.
@rokudaime (339)
• Australia
14 Jun 11
I totally agree with you ladym 100%. But for the record, this teacher did not do anything to that student. The teacher does not even know or seen this student in his class. It was just an unfortunate event that this student wanted the teacher's signature yet she maltreated the teacher. It was very unfair for her to do such a thing you know what I mean. And yes, the teacher put an abeyance the student's certificate of good moral character. Definitely, this student has no character and has no morale.
@rokudaime (339)
• Australia
14 Jun 11
Hi lady 1993. Its a good thing for you for not seeing this kind of incident. Mind you, it puts a lot of stress and fatigue on my part just seeing that ungrateful and good for nothing student. Oh I could only imagine how the teacher must have felt. tsk tsk tsk
@misterMR (796)
• Philippines
11 Jun 11
I had an experience like this once in High school, but it was not me of course. It was a guy (a bully) from another class. Early in the morning, as my advisory teacher was talking about things, the guy came barging in from class and made a horrible 'act' by insulting the teacher because the teacher said something about him the other day. We were all dumbfounded and we were just staring at the harsh verbal fight. It was clear my teacher was afraid. Soon, the guy told him that he would be finding him again.
After that, my teacher called some of the bully's friends, who were in my class to go to the disciplinary principal with the bully. Of course, the friends were not being taken 'hostage' for long. If I were the teacher in the signing case, I would tell him to go back to his seat and I'll hold his paper until he do public apology in front of the whole school.
@rokudaime (339)
• Australia
14 Jun 11
Oh my goodness! What an abomination! What an attitude! This student must learn some manners! Well, his no difference with the student in my story. However, I find your incident as more gruesome and highly abominable...Sigh...Students nowadays lack the capability of giving respect...What has happened parents whose suppose to be the first educators of these children? I really believed that it will eventually boomerang to them...so sad...
@moirai (2853)
• Philippines
11 Jun 11
Hmm... first of all, yes, that was a very disrespectful student. It is sad that there are some kids today who are like this. I think it has something to do with the lack of guidance from parents, as well as being exposed to things that give them the idea that it's ok to be disrespectful of others.
As for the teacher... I am a bit unclear about the reaction of the teacher especially after reading some of the responses. Some are saying that the teacher reacted in a bad way as well. From the way I read and understood it, I think the teacher did just right in reprimanding the student. He is the authority here and is in the position to put the student in the right place. Unless I'm missing something, I do not see anything that the teacher did wrong. Beating up the student would be wrong though. =P Calling the student names would also be wrong. So whether the teacher did anything wrong or not depends on how exactly he reprimanded the student. But so far, I don't see anything wrong with what he did based on what you have said.
@rokudaime (339)
• Australia
14 Jun 11
Hello moirai!
Thanks for your response. You are right and I agree that the teacher did the right thing. Aside from he is the teacher of course, I think it is also his obligation to reprimand students especially if they are seemingly losing the path that they are supposed to follow. If the teacher would not reprimand the student, then who? If the teacher did not reprimand that student instantly at that moment, then when? I think the teacher is on the right track. Reprimanding the student was after all part of his duties and responsibilities as molder of the youth.
@lovebugjess (262)
• Philippines
11 Jun 11
well i got one before, the whole campus student come and ask for my signature they badly need it for their exam, However there are lots of student ask for my signature while am eating my lunch(i take my lunch at the school canteen) or walking or going to my class. They can't even wait to let me be in the office. So that is my experience while am at the campus
@rokudaime (339)
• Australia
14 Jun 11
Yeah, it happens sometimes that students tend to be very aggressive even to the point of not respecting the siesta time of teachers. It can be very inappropriate and unlikely for them to be acting as such. Thank you for your response and for sharing your idea on this topic. ^_^
@iklananda (1202)
•
11 Jun 11
Must be something wrong with the student. Just try to find it out and solved it. It must be better than punished him.
@rokudaime (339)
• Australia
14 Jun 11
Yes indeed, something is wrong with the student. Something is very very wrong with her. I think she is problematic although this should not be an excused.
@ordinarygirl88 (175)
• Philippines
11 Jun 11
If I were the teacher, I won't react the way the student reacted because I'm just proving that we're on the same level... That kind of student is hard to change... First thing I'm gonna do is by teaching the student a lesson, I will let the student pass the paper again and again until the student pass it with gentle and then apologize. and I will talk to the student's parents about this...It's the job of the teacher to know about his/her students. Maybe the student are having a problem at home and the student can't share it to anyone so the student will just give their anger to anyone.
It's better if the teacher won't say to their student that they are bad rather say it like this "You can do better than this, it's not too late to change my dear. Feel free to open your problems to me because I'm your mother in this school."
@rokudaime (339)
• Australia
11 Jun 11
Hello ordinary girl. Easier said than done especially if you are in a situation where you are caught unaware that this particular event will occur. However, this should be the most ideal thing to do. But then again, teachers, like all other human beings can sometimes fall out of patience due to many factors (their own anxiety, stresses, emotional instability, hurt ego among others). Furthermore, I agree with one message above, students can sometimes be victims too however, regardless of what their predicaments are, in dealing with others, at least they should have some sort of respect and consideration to others' feelings rather than being too self-centered.
@rupanheisei (4)
• Indonesia
11 Jun 11
i will ask her. are you okay????? well cast the reaction thing aside. i think i'll have it discussed with her parents maybe a home visit etc. or observe her more just to know what caused her behaviour to be rude. is it her friends, parents,or did she has any problems etc.
@rokudaime (339)
• Australia
14 Jun 11
Apparently, the teacher did not have the luxury of time to do that. First, this is in college. Second, the student is not the teacher's student in the classroom. Third, the student just wanted the signature of the teacher for a completion of a particular requirement.
The teacher did hold in abeyance the certificate of good moral character of the student. I think this is all he can do. When the student will try to get her certificate, the Prefect of Discipline will talk to her and have a dialogue with the teacher. I hope when that happens, the student will learn to humble down and accept her wrong doings.
@cream97 (29087)
• United States
1 Jul 11
Hi. rokudaime. If I had a student that acted like this, I would have written him/her up. I would not tolerate any of my students being disrespectful towards me at all. I just won't. I would ignore their behavior and I would have allowed the principal to provide the appropriate punishment for this student. I would not waste my time trying to argue back with this student at all. I don't have the patience to bow down to them at their childish level.
@bingskee (5234)
• Philippines
10 Jun 11
this is common in schools. but i wouldnt give in if that is what the student expects. it is a temptation to slap the student on the face but it is better to remain calm and reprimand the student. the teacher has to demand the presence of the parents, too. sometimes, these students are victims, too. we may never know.
@rokudaime (339)
• Australia
11 Jun 11
In a way I agree with you, though in this incident, the teacher did not slap the face of the student. In my own opinion, I guess, regardless of the student's disposition, she should consider and revitalize the things that she's going to do before acting and doing it especially if it is to the teacher. Besides, the teacher did not owe her anything as the teacher did not know who this student was. She just needed something from him.
@srjac0902 (1169)
• Italy
10 Jun 11
not minding is the major punishment. Yes the teacher needs patients. The student, for sure is not normal. And the teacher needs tolerance, patience so must not give any satisfaction to the student to appear as a hero. Neglect and neglect. The student will irritate and irritate. Just call the parents to the Principal's office and let them take a decision. If there is a parents' Teachers' Association, then this issue should be put forward. Punishing such children or students you will solve nothing.
@rokudaime (339)
• Australia
11 Jun 11
Thanks for the response. By the way, this student is already in college. I think you have a good idea on how to face this kind of predicament. However, human as we are, whenever we are faced with an unexpected circumstances, one just can't be cool and calm as others wanted us to be; that is very idealistic. I am not saying that being idealistic is bad at all, all I am saying is that, the teacher was caught unaware that this particular incident would happen to him. Besides, the teacher did not "punish" the student, but just reprimanded her for acting as such.
@flapiz (23148)
• United Kingdom
10 Jun 11
That is a very horrible story. If I were the teacher I woudn't sign the student's paper. I will just walk out and leave the student alone. Hahaha.. And He or she will be having big trouble to get that paper signed.
@rokudaime (339)
• Australia
11 Jun 11
hahahaha! I guess that should have been done by that teacher. Anyway, he really did not sign it after all as the student left the office still full of herself. The teacher though called up the guidance and the office of student affairs to hold in abeyance her certificate of good moral character. I think this serves her right! The certificate should not be released until such time that she apologises to the teacher. SHE got the nerves to disrespect the teacher therefore, she should have the guts to say sorry.
@axlrate7 (1398)
• Philippines
24 Jun 11
I also see these all around, and yes many students really loosing their values in this time. And I'm very sad about it... really disappointing but of course instead of using our energy in staring in their wrong actions why not let us do something that can remind them the right values and virtues that must a student have. We must do an action for that!!! God bless you! =D
@rokudaime (339)
• Australia
11 Jun 11
Hi Jam! Know that I/we are not generalizing all of you (students) of course in this particular discussion. But we have to face the truth that our young people's values in life are lowering and lowering down. A lot of factors could be accounted for this unimaginable scenes, but well, we can discuss them in another forum later. Have a good day! ^_^