How long does it take to learn English?
By laglen
@laglen (19759)
United States
June 17, 2011 9:08am CST
At a Senate Transportation and Homeland Security Committee hearing in Austin Texas, Antolin Aguirre of the Austin Immigrant Rights Coalition was using an interpreter to speak out about an immigration bill, Senate Bill 9. During his testimony, he stated that he has been in the US since 1988. Senator Chris Harris then asked why he needs an interpreter if he has been here for 23 years. Aguirre stated he was more comfortable testifying in Spanish.
http://www.ktrh.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=121300&article=8719378
My question is, after 23 years, at what point do you ATTEMPT to assimilate to the country you are residing?
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11 responses
@fujisaki61 (75)
• Philippines
17 Jun 11
That guy must have been trying to catch attention by speaking his native tongue or sending a signal that says 'hey, we are here already and we are increasing our numbers and influence' and that give us a good rehearsal of what's its like to be on the hands of a different culture.I am a product of a colonial power. But however, this world is created for all of us to live regardless of who we are and the place we came from.It only requires patience and understanding.It is hard to accept at first but thats the world it is sometimes not on our side at times. At 23 years that guy really can speak American-Spanish English.You only have to devise a plan of questioning where you can trap him the next time around using a combination of his native tongue and your language.
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@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
17 Jun 11
My wife's Scottish great-grandmother lived in Bristol for 20 years (at least, I believe) and refused to speak anything but Gaelic. In those days, of course, one had servants and her husband spoke English, too, so the household was run.
Even today we have British subjects who have migrated here from parts of what was the Commonwealth and who can hardly speak any English. They rely on their family to translate for them.
It seems to me that such people must be very isolated, though they probably don't feel it too much, since all they need and desire is to be living with their families.
Not so many years ago, I stayed in a village in the Lleyn peninsula in North Wales. Most of the people there COULD speak English but it was not their first language and it was clear that they had to think (translate) when they spoke in English. Fortunately for them, Wales has two official languages and, if they needed to conduct official business, they would be able to do so in either Welsh or English, as they desired.
I know that there are many States in the US where it is very difficult to get a job in some fields unless you speak both Spanish and English and there are many communities of different nationalities (but still, somehow, American citizens) where the common language is not English and whose members need an interpreter if they are to do something complex like contest a legal ruling.
The fact is that many people can understand English very well and may also speak it enough to carry on a conversation but when it comes to dealing with complex issues, they are more comfortable using an interpreter and have a perfect right (under your Constitution, I believe) to ask for one.
Some people NEVER attempt to assimilate to the country they live in simply because they don't see the need to do so. Their families and their communities will support them in dealing with the 'outside world'. Are you denying their right to American citizenship on a mere accident of whether they understand and can communicate in your very specialised brand of 'legal English'?
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@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
17 Jun 11
I do NOT think that this person was in any way 'insulting the court'. He did not ask the court to speak Spanish for him, so that he could understand. He spoke through an interpreter so that he would be better understood.
I am astounded at the reactionary and frankly racist comments to the news article. If anyone in Britain were to say anything like the things that some of these people have posted, they would very soon find themselves up before a judge!
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@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
17 Jun 11
The usual 'tools' in any legal matter are that one should have access to an attourney or a legal representative who is, in fact, an interpreter because legal English is quite a different language to that which you and I speak. I am not talking about lowering any bar. The tool that this particular person needed was an interpreter ... and it seems that the court sought to deny him that.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
17 Jun 11
I would point out that in complex legal proceedings, it is imperative that the individual understand for themselves, as many things get 'lost in the translation'.
Historically, the 'educated' of society knew at least two languages. We no longer require that in our High Schools or Colleges. Just like we don't requier that a person be knowledgable in the Humanities. Life isn't fair, and life is hard. If we keep lowering the bar- pretty soon there will BE NO BAR. I don't think that is what you really mean to happen, is it?
Instead of lowering the bar, give people the tools they need to meet the requirments. ???
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@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
17 Jun 11
I think it is shocking to think that an immigrant after 23 years living in this country does not feel "comfortable" speaking the language of his country. When I lived in Germany and France I made every effort to speak the language of the country. I think it is insulting not to speak the language of the country you are living in.
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@fujisaki61 (75)
• Philippines
20 Jun 11
That's cool Laglen. Probably his lawyer never figured that out because they were in difficult position.
@2004cqui (2812)
• United States
18 Jun 11
My grandparents on my moms side spoke fluent German until my mother, the oldest of seven, started school. The teacher said it would be beneficial to encourage English at home because that was the primary language in the United States. They were still not speaking fluent English when their children were having children. My point being some learn languages faster than others. As the evolution of man continues so will the language requirements of the world. In the end commerce will dictate what we will do and when we do it. Money wins!
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@2004cqui (2812)
• United States
19 Jun 11
Like I say they had no choices. They had to speak it so their children, beginning with my mother would learn in the primary language in the United States. My point being some people learn languages faster than others. My husband can pick up a little of a native language on vacation in a foreign country. My grandparents had to do business in both German and English. They had a family run business.
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@inertia4 (27960)
• United States
17 Jun 11
From what I understand, English is one of the hardest languages to learn. I know that they're are in some cases many ways to spell words that are spoken the same ways. Also, there are different meaning for some words. I know that if I was not born here in America, I would have a hard time learning it.
@zandi458 (28102)
• Malaysia
18 Jun 11
I just couldn't understand why the need to have different spelling for American English and British English. I studied the British English in school but have to get used to the American English way of spelling online. It is fortunate that I am able to string words together in English otherwise I will never be able to survive for long in mylot as this site is using purely English as their mode of communication.
@danishcanadian (28953)
• Canada
18 Jun 11
1988, and still in need of an interpreter? That's absolutely unbelievable. Even if one is relatively new to the country, which he clearly is not, they should learn the language before getting involved in politics. A thick accent is OK, just as long as they can be understood.
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@zandi458 (28102)
• Malaysia
18 Jun 11
I did not record the time taken to master this foreign language. I learn English language from scratch, a few hours a week from my school text books with a local teacher who can hardly pronounce the English words properly. Luckily I am quite a linguist and was able to master this language without problems. There is no excuse for anyone not being able to master this language when they are in the country of the native speakers.
@p1kef1sh (45681)
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21 Jun 11
That's a tricky one for the USA. You use English as your principal language but you have no legally defined national language. Therefore why should he have to learn to speak English? Even if his choice not to hampers him in daily life. I would have little confidence in his ability to represent me if he can't manage a fluency in the most widely used language in the US. Equally I find the Senator's comments offensive and xenophobic. The Court provided an intepreter, that should be good enough.
@maharlikah (1045)
• Philippines
18 Jun 11
English is an international language. If given enough time, it can be learned easily. Graders in our place can already speak English, if not very well at least it can be understood.
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@besthope44 (12123)
• India
30 Jul 11
Hi Laglen, Its quite true. Though I would say English is not so tough to learn, but some people find it difficult when they have mother tongue of different language. And they feel it more comfortable in addressing in mother languages.