What should we cut Social Security? Veterans Benefits?

@bobmnu (8157)
United States
June 29, 2011 2:36pm CST
President Obama wants to know what to cut. His answer is Increasing taxes on the Rich. Before we do that let give him some other suggestion. 1. Eliminate the Environmental Protection Agency. 2. Stop subsidies to Planned parenthood, National Public Radio, Public TV. 3. Lift the momentum on drilling in this country. This would employ a very large number of people directly and indirectly. It would also increase Government revenue through the royalties the government collects from the production of oil. 4. Eliminate the Department of Education. 5. Eliminate the Department of Energy, this department has been a total failure in meeting their goal of making the country energy independent. 6. Cut Federal employees salaries by 10%. Require and increase of 5% in payment toward their Health Insurance and retirement. 7. Cut ALL departments and agencies budgets by 10% for next year and freeze them at that level for the next two years. 8. Cut the Executive Branch and Congressional budgets by 20% in addition to all the other cut that would be made. These are my ideas for a starter, What do you have for suggestions?
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
30 Jun 11
I can see where your ideas would make sense to people like John Boehner, Mitch McConnell, Eric Cantor and Paul Ryan. Certainly it's more important that the wealthy keep their tax cuts and loopholes that allow them to pay even less than their lowered rate, which is only on the income ABOVE the top amount, than to have an agency that protects us from toxic air and water for starters. It's more important that these "job creators", despite the fact that they haven't created any jobs despite their deficit increasing tax cuts, continue to enjoy their extra five, six or seven figures than to try to prevent another disaster like the BP spill. It's much better for the rich to continue to get richer than for federal employees to get paid a fair wage and benefits making it possible for them and their families to put money back into the economy. It's far better for the wealthy to pay less taxes than for lower income women to be able to get affordable birth control and life-saving health screenings. Finally, it's much more important to protect the rich and the big corporations than for children of the not so rich to have an opportunity to get a decent education. Annie
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
30 Jun 11
If we don't cut any of these things than how exactly do you think we will balance the budget? How much money do you think Obama can get by raising taxes on the rich? Do you really think he can close a $1.5 trillion dollar deficit by raising taxes? "disaster like the BP spill" How exactly do you plan to prevent another spill like that? Do you think more taxes or more spending would have stopped the spill from happening?
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
1 Jul 11
To be a TSA security person you need a HS Diploma and you can earn $31,000 to $45,000 or more depending on location. http://jobview.usajobs.gov/GetJob.aspx?JobID=100504406&JobTitle=Transportation+Security+Officer+(TSO)&lid=316&rad_units=miles&brd=3876&pp=25&occ=4605&sort=rv%2c-dtex&jbf574=HSBC&jbf785=&vw=b&re=134&FedEmp=N&FedPub=Y&caller=basic.aspx&ss=0&AVSDM=2011-06-27+11%3a11%3a00 To be a Private Security Guard you need a HS diploma and can expect to earn between $16,600 and $39,300. http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos159.htm These are very comparable jobs considering these people bot help screen people before they enter an area. I think most people would agree that you could cut the TSA salaries and not hurt airport security. The wealthy tend to spend their money on expensive things. Several years ago the government decided to tax at a higher rate luxury items, to tax only the rich on things they don't really need. The tax drove several industries out of business because people no longer bought those items. The government later repealed the tax but the industries were gone. Early in President Obama's term he criticized the corporations that had corp. jets. Companies stopped or canceled their orders. The company that produced Corp jest cut 60,000 workers, and the companies that fitted and sub contracted the work on the jest also cut workers. I guess in both cases they "got" the rich. There are some things that can be done to get more from the rich. You could reduce the Capital Gains Tax and encourage people to invest and make more money and pay more to the government. President Reagan made the point when everything he made over $1,000,000 was taxed at 80% or 90% what was the incentive to work so he only made 5-6 movies a year and kept under $1,000,000 and lived nicely. the down side was the government was not making any more money from him and all the other people who worked in the production company also did not make any more money. The top tax rate was lowered to below 50% and now he was getting to keep more money so he made more movies and everyone who worked with him made more money and paid more in taxes (but a lower percent of their income). Taxing the rich in California and New York has worked great. They moved out and are now spending more money in another state. Companies are doing the same thing keeping their profits in countries with low corporate tax rates. If we reduced the Corp Tax to 20% or even 25% the government would be getting more revenue. It is simple math, do you want 35% of nothing or will you settle for 20% or 25% of billions? People and companies will move when the tax rate gets out of hand.
• United States
1 Jul 11
That must be the problem, the tax rate is too high, so GE just stopped making money or no they didn't pay them... Wait.. they made 10 billion and didn't pay any, guess it comes out to 0% of 10 billion. Now I got it, all that money they saved must have created US jobs at least 10 bil worth of taxable employment. No, because they reduced their US workforce by 34,000 in the past 10 years. Okay I'm gonna try and easier one. Oil companies don't pay taxes so we can have cheap gas to keep the economy from crashing and they are so clean the EPA doesn't even need to waste time on them. Yeah, that's it. Now to figure out the rest. We get rid of the EPA, FDA, OSHA, and all employee rights and benefits required by law. No more minimum wage, overtime, full time benefits, or any of those outlandish requirements that good countries to our south already did away with, especially Unions. If we get rid of any sort of regulations on businesses and they don't have taxes. Then they can hire workers for $2-$3/hour. This will not only be cheaper than Mexican labor but they will save on shipping, traveling, translators, and the outlandish cost of having to safely dispose of hazardous wastes. They'll then not only be able to bring back jobs to America, but they'll be able to market made in America products at competitive prices. So not only will all those workers making $3/hour increase our tax revenues, they'll be able to buy more goods further stimulating the economy. How simple is that? To think, governments used to just use an excise tax to inflate the cost of importing anything so cheap it would damage the locally established economy. Shame on them for trying to generate revenue by pretending to protect their local goods and labor from being undercut and put out of business.
@sam3m1 (190)
• United States
29 Jun 11
so before we ask the wealthy to increase their tax contribution a whole 4 %, and decrease the tax loopholes which allow corporations to pay zero taxes and get huge rebates while making several billion dollars profit in a quarter, we should consider your proposed cuts. the epa, which is responsible for the cleaner air and water we have now after those same corporations poisoned both? good choice because without it i'm sure we can count on those corporations to act responsibly. the subsidies to planned parenthood and npr are minimal, just 3% of npr's budget and abortion funding with federal dollars are already illegal. the royalties on oil are non-existant. the government pays oil companies hundreds of millions in rebates. wherever your getting your information from is lying or telling you half truths. the elimination of the department of education. great idea. then states like texas can re-write their history books to suit their own propaganda, like including intelligent design along with evolution. i think that they should also include babies being brought by storks. cutting federal employees salaries is a great idea. those soldiers, social workers, prison guards, etc. are getting rich off the rest of us. let's take away what they have because we don't have the same thing. how in the world can you propose these cuts while the wealthy, who clearly aren't doing anything to help this country, get away with a minimum of $200,000 extra income? seniors will have to pay an additional $6000 each per year to help pay the bill for that raise. do any of you people have a conscience at all? what you're proposing doesn't make sense logically so i have to assume that you're wealthy and greedy, or that you've bought into the big gop lie. conservatism is fine. greed and disregard for the sick and elderly is not.
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@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
1 Jul 11
If you look at history you will see that the income tax was sold to the American People as a tax on the very rich. It became a very good tool for collecting money, so good that they decided to expand it and apply it to more people. When FDR became President he decided to help the little guy by starting a with holding of money from each pay check so that people would not have to write a check to the government each quarter so that paying your taxes would be painless. There was a telephone tax that was a tax on the rich. There was a luxury tax on yachts. Why do I bring these up because every time ther is a movement to tax the rich it ends up either being passed down to the little guy or costs jobs. If the government puts a tax on the rich sooner or later it will apply to almost everyone who is working for a living. The government does receive Billions from oil Royalties, Alaska, which retained all mineral rights when they were admitted to the US as a state, paid each adult citizen over $3,000 a year from the Oil Royalties. The state is also fronting about $500 million to build a pipeline from Alaska. The bottom line is that President Obama has 2 of the 4 largest tax revenue years in our history. We do not have a revenue problem we have a spending problem. Every time the government (either party) gets more tax money they Increase spending. politicians are like a spoiled child who when you give them $10.00 and tell them to save $2.00 in the saving account they will spend the $10.00 and borrow from friends to buy what they want, then tell people thay will save more next week.
• United States
1 Jul 11
Bob, I agree with cutting pay of federal employees, but I would increase that to 50% for congress and executive branch. The rest I don't agree with ANY of your other cuts seeing how you would only be moving that cost to the states to do what these federal departments do. I also take issue with those who believe that opening up the country to drilling will create one job. There are millions of rights to drill out there, but the price of oil has to get to a certain price to make it economical to drill there. The only way you are going to get oil companies to drill here in the US is to either make them, or subsidize them. The reason Obama wants to tax the rich is because history shows it works, where as huge tax cuts on the rich does NOTHING!!! Where are all of the jobs from the Bush tax cuts? How about all of those created by extending them? Why don't republicans want to do what Reagan did? I thought that republicans bowed down to EVERYTHING Reagan did?
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
2 Jul 11
Right now you have less than 50% of the people paying taxes so lets just take all their moeny and see where we are in 6 months. I mean is 35% is a great rate and will increase the economy why not 50% or 90%and witch the economy skyrocket. I bet many people would like to see the high unemployment we had under President Bush and his tax cuts on the rich. What was the unemployment a record high of 4.5%. Even his ending number would look good now 7%. For years the Democrats told us that the Bush Tax Cuts were only for the rich. If you look at IRS tax collection tables you will see that under the Bush tax cuts the revenue to the government increase to the highest ever and who was paying it the wealthy. The poor enjoyed a 50% tax cut while the rich got a 3-4% tax cut. Why didn't the Democrats make that their first thing rescind the Bush tax cuts? They had the House and Senate and President, the Republicans could do nothing to stop them. Why didn't the do it when they could - because for years they had been lying to us about them.. If tax on the rich works why doesn't California and New York have the best economies in the nation and low tax states like Texas and North Dakota should be experiencing high unemployment and disasters for an economy?????
• United States
2 Jul 11
Bob, I am one of those that net pays no federal income tax. This is not because I am poor, it is because I am married, and have children. Why is it that don't pay any federal taxes Bob? Is this more political, or religious? History has shown us that increasing taxes, and then lowering them has helped spur economic growth. Look at Clinton, and Reagan. If the Bush years were so good they why is it that he only created a net 1 million new jobs, while Clinton created 22 million? If the Bush years were so good than how did we get to the lost economic decade? You can lower the tax rate for the poor by 100000%, my seven year old can tell you that you can't get lower than ZERO!!! I can tell you why they didn't get rid of the Bush tax cuts, it is because the moved more toward the center. I am sure it had NOTHING to do with the fact that they are all rich, and it would increase their taxes. Greed isn't a republican, or democrat thing, it is a human thing. Bob, why are Texas and North Dakota doing so well? One word: Energy!!!! How many people do you know moving to North Dakota?
@ebuscat (5935)
• Philippines
30 Jun 11
For me if you are veterans then cut off the social security if not then go for the veterans and cut off the social security.
@marie2052 (3691)
• United States
29 Jun 11
Good Discussion! pass this on to all our state officials and governors up there fighting for us! My husband put in 23 1/2 years in the Air Force. I went in twice myself as a field medic in the Army I was in during Vietnam and Desert Storm. He got a notice saying he may not get TriCare benefits when he turns 65 now. Thats the Veterans medical benefit program if you are retired. If you did not complete 20 years then you could use the VA Hospital or VA Clinics. But anyone that has served their country for 20 years and survived to tell it to me they should not take their benefits away. After all these are the ones that DID survive and lived to tell it and also live in many memories of the past. They are trying hard to take Veterans benefits away. I genuinely never thought I would see this day come when they want to do this. There is no draft anymore so each young man and woman that enters the military is doing it out of the goodness of their heart and their respect for their country. Unfortunately I am on SSD. I have spinal desinegration C-3-4-5 and L-3-4-5 When a physical therapist saw my report he asked bluntly how are you walking? I do not look disabled and get cursed a lot for having a disabled parking permit. I entered the Army when I was 18 I assume my back is the way it is because I was a bull headed young thing at the time and lifted and carried men weighing only 93 lbs. So again not everyone that gets put on SSD is on because they slipt through easily. It took me 2 1/2 years to get it then I had to give half of what I initially got to my social security disability specialist. I could not work during that time or they would have closed my case. So it was a VERY hard time. I am going to pass your discussion on with your permission first. To me my friend you said it all and nothing to add except I wish the 2012 election would hurry up and come to get new blood in the office But we all need to really look at what the person is saying before electing our next president. We have a lot of homework to do!
• United States
1 Jul 11
2,3,6,7 and 8 immediately. No doubt, and why are we not already doing these? The others are major departments that put nearly as much into the economy through their own employment as they cost, except they are tremendously wasteful right now. The best plan I could think of on a short notice involving these agencies is to combine them in one network with major outsourcing of specific functions to the private sector. (That's "outsourcing" within America only!) Previous responders' ideas have been pretty good too, but I'm not yet in favor of bringing troops home. The media keep trying to tally the cost but are ignoring the benefit of the military-industrial complex spending and employment. You want unemployment over 12%, then by all means bring them all home. I would add running the Post Office like a business even though it means probably dropping a day of service and raising rates. The Post Office hemorrhages money and needs to be run at a profit now. Instead of closing foreign bases as someone suggested, opening part of them for tourism with admission and getting income from the local governments around them for services rendered is an option. Though having more soldiers serving in the US is preferable from the increase of money back into American business from their spending, it is not enough of a bump to overcome the importance of the overseas bases. I'll leave you with one radical, but surefire idea: Take Cuba. In the Fifties they weren't ready for capitalism, but the majority might be now. The problem with Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya is there is no huge upside. It's not like we are gaining territory. Cuba, on the other hand, always should have been ours, it's part of Manifest Destiny as far as I'm concerned. Think of the new product market. Think of the jobs created by rebuilding their infrastructure to support capitalistic growth. Think of the money the military-industrial complex will be making. Life would be good and I can't wait to go vacation on a Cuban beach! You think my tongue is in my cheek? Maybe. But, oh the possibilities. Mexico's next. Protecting the tiny border between Mexico and Guatemala/Belize is alot smaller area to guard then the current Mexican border. Vote Rat, 2012: Big Government [but a more efficient one ;)], Imperialism, and a jalapeno in every pot!