Do women have equal opportunities as men in your country?
By ieniemienie
@ieniemienie (232)
Netherlands
June 30, 2011 7:05am CST
Do women in your country have the same opportunities as men.
For example do they get the same wages. Are they offered the same promotions as men? Is it socially accepted for men to take a leave to take care of the children? Or is it the 'role'of a mother to take a leave or work less hours to take care of the children? Are women categorised in groups (mums; working mothers with kids at home, babes; young,goodlooking girls at the start of their career, etc.) at your work or do you think every woman is treated equally. If they are grouped do you think 'babes' have better carreer opportunities than the 'mums' and why do you think is that?
Here men are almost equal to women, however the older working staff still thinks it is peculiar if a man works less hours to spend a day in the week with his children. The grouping here is there and I think the management tends to pay more attention to the 'babes' then to the 'mums' because they are more likely to stay working longer because they don't have obligations at home.
What do you think?
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18 responses
@ravisivan (14079)
• India
2 Jul 11
I am from India. In India women have equal opportunities as that of men. they get same salary in organised circles. Whereas in unorganised sector women are paid lesser than men.
In terms of child development and upcare--it is considered the main duty of women. Men normally do not perform day to day work in house because in India you get labour for house cleaning, vessel cleaning, clothes cleaning etc. and are paid of the range of $20 per month. Such workers work in four or five houses and earn decent income. There is no need for men to do household work. for upkeep of children are creches are there and they take care of it.
NOW THAT YOU HAVE RAISED A POINT --let me tell you that one of the problems in advanced countries is that labour is very costly. Instead if labour takes lesser salary as in India then unemployment problem will be sorted out. I heard in some radio that government is contemplating lay off of 6000 workers if they are not agreeable for salary cut ...I am not sure which State government in USA is that.
Regarding your point it is advisable for men to take care of children instead of women if necessary.
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@ieniemienie (232)
• Netherlands
4 Jul 11
Sounds like they are really trying to treat man and women equally, wish we would have a cleaner though! ;)
thanks for your comment!
@miadsoriano (884)
• Philippines
9 Jul 11
Oh definitely! As proof that men and women have equal footing here in the Philippines, we have already had two (2) female presidents -- the late Corazon C. Aquino and Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo. :)
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@GemmaR (8517)
•
1 Jul 11
Legally, women have the same opportunities as men in our country, however it doesn't always work out that they actually do in practice. A lot of women still get paid less than men, even though it's against the law, but the employers say that it's because their job is different and that they don't deserve as much money for the job that they do. It's too easy to make excuses. There aren't as many women who go for jobs as high up in the career ladder as they still have to look after children and take maternity leave; and many employers aren't willing to give the higher level jobs to women because of this, however unfair that might be.
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@andy77e (5156)
• United States
3 Jul 11
So lets think about this...
You have a younger girl who works more hours. She shows up every day. She can travel if needed. She has more time, and can stay over at the end of the day when needed.
You have a mother, who takes off when the school calls and says "timmy" scraped his knee. She can't stay over after work when needed, because the baby sitter requires her to pick up timmy at 5 pm. She calls off every time "timmy" is sick.
Which do you think should get paid more?
Do you think people should be paid more for extra time, and effort, and availability?
I do. So yeah, the younger girl should be paid more than the mother.
Further, if you replace the young girl, with a guy, don't you think the same should apply?
Shouldn't the guy who works on the weekend, and stays over, and never calls off, get paid more?
I believe that women generally have the same opportunities as men. They do get paid less, because they don't take advantage of those opportunities. That's their choice.
Sorry but you can't work as much as someone who doesn't have to take care of kids, if you have kids. Welcome to life.
@ieniemienie (232)
• Netherlands
4 Jul 11
you are generalising every mother as well as every young girl/man.
Not every young girl is willing to travel, stay late and work more hours, some of them have a life too.
And not every mother will come running if Timmy scraped his knee. Most mothers that have a carreer have made a well thought through decision and alway have backup plans when something happens to Timmy, in case he gets sick or has to go to an appointment. They organise their life well so they can have a job, and the backup plan takes care of timmy. They can travel for work and stay overtime if they choose too. I agree that there are women that grasp every call about Timmy as an excuse to not go to work but are there not young men/ women that use excuses too?
The younger girl / man should only be paid more if she is more skilled and performs better. If they are working more hours, off course they get more. You get paid by the hour. But if mother do the same they too should be paid more.
Woman do not get the same opportunities as men, if they are offered the same opportunities they would be likely to accept them, it is not thei choice. It is a choice men made for them. However this is changing.
a mother can work as much as someone that does not have kids. It is proven time and time again. And why should the mother be effected by the fact she has kids, why is a man not effected for the fact he is a father. You say woman come running to Timmy but Timmy has a dad too. Man expect the woman to be the one experiencing the inconvenience of the kids being sick and it does not even come to mind that it might as well be the dad that goed home to take care of poor little Timmy.
interesting comments you made, thanks!
@ieniemienie (232)
• Netherlands
4 Jul 11
okay okay, I agree with you on some points. thanks for the insights on your response. Agree I would not hire a competent jerk! And also agree that nature programmed humans so that the woman is more likely to come running to Timmy, however I think there are more and more women that do no respond to this programc and decide to do otherwise. Maybe humanity will evolve and our nature will evolve with it, but who knows? We will see!
Thanks for your response!
@toniganzon (72281)
• Philippines
1 Jul 11
Our country definitely offers equal opportunities to women. We even had two women Presidents already which means people just don't discriminate when it comes to women's ability and they don't look at married women as a burden in the company. Pregnant women are given privileges as demanded by the labor law and no discrimination is allowed in hiring married women is allowed.
I think i'm lucky to be living in a country where women are now considered the boss and even looked up to.
@toniganzon (72281)
• Philippines
4 Jul 11
I live in the Philippines where most of the CEO's in big companies are women. There are more women than man in my country and if i'm not mistaken the ratio is 7:1. So with this, women came up with equal abilities and intelligence as men and sometimes much better with no offense to men. It can be noticed that in the classrooms from grade school up to university, there are more women than men and they excel academically. In fact in the Philippine Military Academy, women are excelling too.
So I think i would be having difficulty if i move in another country which doesn't give equal opportunities to women.
@ieniemienie (232)
• Netherlands
4 Jul 11
Which country are you living in? I think you are lucky too. We also have priviliges for pregnant women but when it comes to financial cutbacks, it is usually those women that get fired first. They think it is too much hassle. Women with children are difficult, kids get sick and all. Not realising that a ton of woman have those things well organised and when the kids get sick they have a plan b or even plan c, all worked out to go into action and the job does not suffer at all.
I would love a minister-president here that is a woman! It is only guys that lead or country's senate so the speak.
@ieniemienie (232)
• Netherlands
4 Jul 11
I forgot we DO have a queen, who is holding on to her trone like a guard dog. However she has little to none influence in our country's management.
@nichokongo (69)
• Kenya
1 Jul 11
hello,
Women in our country are facing a hard time to grasp top positions in government offices.They find it hard to pass laws that will approve affirmative action since men have outnumbered women in the parliament and they don't want their jobs to be threatened by competent women.
When it comes to kids and house tasks,a lot of people have employed maids to take care of their kids.But the trend is about to change because women ganging up to push reforms that will guarantee equal rights as their male counterparts.
@ram_cv (16513)
• India
30 Jun 11
As a male, I would like to think that women do get equal opportunities in India. But actually that is not the real story. In the cities with all the Govt. reservations etc., women do get equal opportunities, sometimes even more. But in the villages, I think they still do not get equal opportunities.
But on the governance level, it is all women in India. The Indian Government has a strong lady leading from the back :). There are many Indian states that have a lady as the Chief Minister.
Cheers!
Ram
@ram_cv (16513)
• India
4 Jul 11
Personally, I think this equal opportunities thing is a bit overdone. In some aspects such as education, right to speech etc. it makes a lot of sense. But in some other things like jobs etc it does not make real sense. For e.g. a male cannot conceive however much we strike in front of god for equal opportunity. So if the society wants the females to have a slightly less stressful life, with kids around that is not inequality. In fact, I would love to sit at my home and keep playing with my kids without really worrying about my next deadline :)
Cheers!
Ram
@ieniemienie (232)
• Netherlands
4 Jul 11
Good to hear that changes are coming. I mean a woman on top in the Government that is really promissing. What do you think is needed to get this development going in whole your country. Do you think it is even possible to get equal opportunities in the villages or is it a matter of old traditions. Will there be more chance to equal opportunities for women once the next generation will be mature?
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@barehugs (8973)
• Canada
1 Jul 11
Canada is very proud of our gender equality. Men and women are touted as equal, and in some respects they are. We have women CEO's running some of our biggest factories, and lots of women doctors and lawyers. However in many cases women are not getting as large a salary as the men. Those behind the scenes are smart enough to know they can get female brains for less money!
@ieniemienie (232)
• Netherlands
4 Jul 11
I think it is great you have female CEO's. This I never experienced here for myself. I guess there will be one or two but never heard of it. We claim to be developed as such but I think the lack of female CEO's is proof that we still have a long way to go. When the salarĂ½;s there would be equal I would say Canada is already very equal to both genders. This should be in more countries,
@Princelierocks (817)
• India
30 Jun 11
Yes Woman and men both are given equal opportunities in our Country India, at first during the olden age women were treated as slaves, they were treated as to work in home and only men were allowed to Work and earn, Women were just treated as household wives and that was their future, even Girl child's who were born they were not accepted. But now in this Modern age In our Indian Society women are treated respectfully, Women are give equal opportunities as men there is no difference in their salaries, even in colleges they are given equal consideration so likewise women are treated respectfully in our country.
@ieniemienie (232)
• Netherlands
4 Jul 11
Is it like that for all people there or are there still groups that do it otherwise. I mean are there groups of people that still use old traditions. Traditions like during the olden age you mentioned? Here the elderly still live like it is 50 years ago. Women do the home work and men do chores around the house.
@ieniemienie (232)
• Netherlands
4 Jul 11
maybe it is time to modernise these books. There are stories in there mentioning horses carrying people to a far away village to register themselves but nowadays we don't ride horses anymore and there is a townhall in almost every village.
Also there were people hung onto crosses to die, we dont do that anymore either. It is not exactly the story that is important it is the lesson that they mean to tell you. When the bible says you should respect the man because he cares for the family, it could as well say the woman if she cares for the family.
I think the bible is not meant to say who is most important woman or man but it teaches us that even if u are different we should all be treated equally. The people with lepr were put in separation but jesus went to them, everybody is equal and deserves the same. That is why women and men should be treated the same.
@RitterSport (2451)
• Lippstadt, Germany
30 Jun 11
hi here women have the same righte and opportunities as men at least on paper.What the companies do here and there is a different story. Like the good looking women will be treated better than the not so good looking ones. They can make mistakes and no one will talk about them and others are sort of dartboard for the bosses when they make a mistake.
@ieniemienie (232)
• Netherlands
4 Jul 11
O am afraid this is going on in many companies and country's. They will never admit this but it is a matter of paying attention to see this happen. Do you think this will ever change? Any idea how this would be possible?
@RitterSport (2451)
• Lippstadt, Germany
5 Jul 11
It will not change at all as long as most of the bosses, even in the branch where I work, are men and men first judge with their eyes. Overweight me will have to work perfect and work much harder than the female colleague with the nice slim body who will be pardoned for her mistakes with out even so much as apologizing for them.
@jabar_muzarpar (54)
• Malaysia
30 Jun 11
hi ienie..at my place, women are aswell given opputonities as men. they are treated equally and waged equally. whoever has a higher qualifications, whether men or women, will be waged higher. that's how it works here. about children, if both parents are working, people usually left them with maid or with their grandparents if they still can't look after themselves. once their children knows how to look after themselves, they are all ont heir on. given monthly pocket money, they manage their selves. this kind of situation usually leads to family spending less time together. and in some worse case, divorce. in my oppinion, if women just stay at home and take care of stuff at home, scenario like the one i mention won't happened. that's what i think..
@ieniemienie (232)
• Netherlands
4 Jul 11
You mentioned, when the children know how to look after themselves, they are all on their own. At what age is that? Do we talk about 16 and above or youger children? Do their parents not cook for them or anything? You also mention that if women spend time at home and take care of stuff these bad things wont happen. What if men would stay at home and would take care of stuff then the result would be the same now wouldnt it? Why should the woman stay at home? Is it still cultural decided that it is the woman that does the caring for the kids? Where are you at, what country, just wondering?
thanks for your comment!
@angie20 (191)
• Philippines
1 Jul 11
I think the best reason for going over the "babes" rather than the "mums" in your country is that younger women without any responsibilities to attend is more productive in many ways: first, they are more focused; second, they are more energetic and they love to the pressures and challenges more. In Philippines, a lot of younger women ventures into working rather than marrying early at a very young age. Women in our country are at par with men when it comes to work and opportunities. As long as the woman can do the job an average man can do, woman gets the work! After all, its not the gender that matter, its the work performance and the by product.
@ieniemienie (232)
• Netherlands
4 Jul 11
I think there are also a lot of mum women that chose to get their carreer going. They chose to put the kids in daycare and get a job. While the younger women are expected to get a job.
I think especially those mum choosing to work are eager to work and more energetic, productive and most of all more motivated to do the job and do the job well. Also they are the ones with the experience, not only jobexperience but also life experience.
I think the reason why the het chosen is just that they are more pleasant to look at and when they have the qualifications... Another reason could be that young woman do not get high salaries, the salaries are usually partly based on age and this could also be in their advantage.
I agree with you that it is not a matter of gender but a matter of performance!
@kiran8 (15348)
• Mangalore, India
30 Jun 11
I suppose so ! I am sure that in most governmental jobs and also banking jobs the wages are equal . The same is the case in teaching and tech jobs. However in some private concerns men do get paid more for the same job and the excuse given is that men are mostly primary wage earners and have to take care of the family...It is the same in menial jobs because men are able to do more work because of their physique.
Certain jobs require young girls and I am sure in such cases they would be preferred and ultimately it is ones capacity and qualification that gets you a job..
@umabharti (3972)
• India
30 Jun 11
No women how much hard she works she wil never be paid equally to men.I dont know why but many men entrust the job to the women which is really hard ,however they enjoy the pay and leisure.Now its in between a man and women relation that how much they are understanding to each other in grooming the kids.
@wow2dong2 (204)
• Malaysia
1 Jul 11
So far, i think my country has equal opportunities as men. For education, the chance to be accepted to enter University or certain courses are same for men and women. Well, for the job, i think sometimes it depends on the job as some jobs are certainly only suitable for men or women. However, the salary and promotion opportunity should be equal.
@genesisgroldan (214)
• Philippines
30 Jun 11
Here in our country, women nowadays can also have an advance career. Women often find themselves working at the office compared to men. There are many women though who still prefers to be a full time mom but since economy is so unstable, they need to find ways to help their spouses earn extra income for their family. I myself is a working mom and as much as I want to be with my baby every second of my life, I need to provide her with a better future. Cheers!