United States Credit Rating AA+
By dark_joev
@dark_joev (3034)
United States
August 5, 2011 11:18pm CST
Well it just came out Standard and Poor just dropped our rating to AA+ which it was a AAA before hand. They cited the massive amount of debt and poor policies as being the reason for the cut.
So is it time that we get congress to cut spending and end the massive amount of money we send to foreign countries every year.
Is it time to take stage left and let another country take over the world police job?
"The outlook on the long-term rating is negative. We could lower the long-term rating to ‘AA’ within the next two years if we see that less reduction in spending than agreed to, higher interest rates, or new fiscal pressures during the period result in a higher general government debt trajectory than we currently assume in our base case."
http://legalinsurrection.com/2011/08/sp-drops-u-s-credit-rating-to-aa/
So will this effect Obama in 2012 the fact that under his control he and the Congress have failed to get this country on track. He has failed to change the Washington.
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@madden12 (81)
• United States
6 Aug 11
I feel like this will show us that the GOP is trying to take any steps to make sure that Obama fails. Its sad that it has come to this though. Its also sad to see that S&P has any credibility seeing their role in the financial crisis and such. Hopefully this won't effect the economy, but I'm sure it will.
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@dark_joev (3034)
• United States
6 Aug 11
Its going to effect the Economy the S&P is a credit rating agency so they them downgrading us from where we where which we where a AAA since 1917. It will effect the confidence that the investors have in the US Dollar and other United States Goods and Services. So get ready for another downturn in the economy.
@kenzie45230 (3560)
• United States
6 Aug 11
Of course it effects the economy. First, the interest the US will pay on its debt rises. Secondly, interest rates will rise on credit cards, on mortgages, on all debts.
The only good that comes from this is that for those of us who have no credit card debt, but do have savings accounts, we'll also see a rise in interest on savings accounts.
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
6 Aug 11
Being a proud American, I obviously do not want to lose our immaculate credit rating. Anything that might be negative, I would love to avoid.
But we deserve this. We really do.
I admit, the details of all this are absolutely mind-numbing, but I did watch a little bit of the news on it and seen where the White House tried to pull one over on S&P, using their same we'll-game-America BS language to lie about a two-trillion-dollar-error.
S&P didn't buy it, as well they shouldn't have, and whatever we did--didn't do, is more like it--was more than enough to cause them to lose faith.
The most unfortunate part about a credit rating drop isn't actually the drop but rather the games politicians will play from here on out, attempting to blame the other side.
The Republicans will put it all on the Democrats, citing that trillions in projected spending going forward is just too fiscally irresponsible. And the Democrats will put it all on the Republicans, claiming that a refusal to hike taxes to cover spending is why we lost the rating.
Sadly, both sides probably feel as if they can benefit from this.
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@dark_joev (3034)
• United States
6 Aug 11
Well never let something go to waste that is a political tactic.
They already have. The Republicans took it as they where write they needed to cut more from the budget right now and that they where on the right way. And well it doesn't matter if you raise taxes the Government still gets the same amount of GDP which is 18%. The only thing they need to do is sure up the Tax Code and make it easier and simpler and the Government could lower the rate and still make a good amount of money.
@Celanith (2327)
• United States
7 Aug 11
Has anyone noticed how Congress and Politians are eager to cut the spending for the most vunerable and poor but they sure do not cut their own spending and roll back their own checks or pay. They do not take a reduction in pay of any sort and they get to go on vacation. How many of you here on Mylot have had a nice cushy vacation year after year after year if ever. Not me. Would be nice. They never take a cut in pay but they sure know how to give themselves a pay raise every time while cutting Social Security which By the Way people have and and do PAY INTO so this should NOT ever be an entitlement but a right because if I pay money into the SS fund for my future retirement It is MY money they mandated I had to pay with the promise it would be there when I retire. That is the same as having a banker have me put money into the bank with the assurance it will gain interest and also will be there when I need it only to find he says Oops I had a crisis so I had to take your money to meet my debts. HELLO something is wrong with this. We need to get out of other nations wars and politics and mind business at home and bring jobs they sold over seas home again as well and stop outsourcing them to other nations who work for way too cheap and sell us junk back. We also need to start buying AMERICAN MADE not stuff from other nations. America has lots its pride. It has left its roots and foundation on which our nation was built. It has been sold out and with it "We the people"
@dark_joev (3034)
• United States
9 Aug 11
Social Security that money hasn't been going to social Security it goes to the general fund and only a very small percentage actually goes their so No you haven't been paying anything into social security you may have paid for a new tank or maybe more bullets but your retirement nope you haven't paid anything into that for quite sometime Social Security isn't going to last for the long term we are already seeing for every one person paying into it 32 people are collecting so the system isn't able to sustain itself and Social Security is in no way shape or form a right it is just another tax on the people. Another way for the government to make more money off your labor.
@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
7 Aug 11
So, time to legalize pot and tax the hell out of it. Then, can we have our triple A rating back from the folks who gave a triple A rating to all those bad mortgages???
@lawdude (237)
• United States
6 Aug 11
The U.S. has been mounting up debt for the past 50 years to keep the country and world prosperous and free. Unfortunately and inevitably, we passed the tipping point and are in the part of the macroeconomic cycle where debt must be liquidated to bring things back to equilibrium.
The crisis came to a boiling point under Obama but has has been building up steam for the past 30 years. In 1980, the national debt was 712 billion and in 1988 was 2.052 trillion under Ronald Reagan. The debt build up under George Bush was particularly egregious. It went from 5.727 trillion to 9.849 trillion. With the financial collapse of 2007-2008 and the ensuing recession, tax revenues have substantially declined. Two-thirds of the debt build up under Obama is attributable to the recession he inherited.
I'm not playing the blame game, just citing facts. Unfortunately, politicians do play the blame game and Obama is taking the heat since the debt crisis came to a head under his watch. How effective he has been is a separate issue.
David Stockman, Reagan's budget director, and Bruce Bartlett, a Treasury official under Bush, attribute the rise in the national debt mostly to tax cuts in order "to starve the beast" to get rid of federal programs many on the right of the political spectrum do not want.
Whatever one's ideological bent, it's clear that the debt build up and crisis occurred because the U.S. government spends too much and takes in too little in taxes. Unfortunately, with today's ideological divide, our government seems dysfunctional in dealing with the problem.
@kenzie45230 (3560)
• United States
7 Aug 11
Obama has to take blame for a huge part of this, but he won't. The sign of a good leader is someone who knows that all blame belongs to him and all praise should go to those around him. The first time Obama blamed Bush, it was a sign that he was a poor leader. The months since have shown how true that is.
It is not tax cuts that caused this problem, it is insane spending. Have you not seen the articles and YouTube videos that PROVE that even if you took every penny from every single person in the US who earns over $250,000 it would hardly save us today and would do nothing for tomorrow (since you would have already taken everything from the "rich").
Businesses are not growing because today our country is not friendly to businesses. They are also not growing because they have no idea from one day to the next what this insane government is going to do. Congress can say no to something, and Obama will just do an executive order or have some department (i.e. EPA or whatever) write something up and change things that way.
Americans also have some of the blame. I read about the "free" cell phones yesterday. Since when is having a cell phone a right that the poor just have to have?
Our federal government needs to be cut in half. People who receive help from the government should be screened much better than they are now. If they have 2 cars, 4 TVs, 2 computers, etc. I'm sorry but they're not poor. If they're in a cash crunch, they can sell some of their stuff.
@dark_joev (3034)
• United States
9 Aug 11
I hope your being sarcastic we support Israel for no reason. We send money to Africa we send money to the United Nations and we also help fund NATO some 90%+. We need to get out of a lot of the things we have gone into over the years. And we need to stop serving as the bank for these countries.
@dark_joev (3034)
• United States
13 Aug 11
Well we need to cut foreign aid and cut the entitlements at the federal level if the states want to keep those programs going under there own budgets and they would more than likely be better managed than the federal system also as most countries that do have good or social programs have populations closer to our states in population. So at the federal level we need to cut those programs as the Federal Government has no right or responsibility to do this and well states can do it a lot better than the federal government.
@andy77e (5156)
• United States
9 Aug 11
Absolutely not. If we are sending that much money to other countries randomly, then I have a problem with that.
As for Israel, there is no point for us to even discuss it, because we're not going to agree on that. So moving on...
Now I would completely agree with cutting the UN. I haven't been able to figure out why we spend a penny on the UN when they consistently go against us, and I'd be hard pressed to find one instance, just one, where the UN actually accomplished something good.
Now back to your claim.
I am completely in agreement that we should not be spending tons of money on other people, when we don't have the money.
You and I agree on this.
I guess my only minor point was, we really are not spending that much on foreign countries. At least not as far as I can tell.
The current deficit is $1,600 Billion dollars. You brought up Israel. As best I can read from the '11 Budget we gave them $2.7 Billion dollars. In fact we can wipe out all military aid, and that's $5.5 Billion total. How about we skip that and wipe out the entire State Department. That's at least $56.5 Billion dollars.
Ok we're down to a tiny deficit of $1,543 Billion dollars.
What's my point? If you think cutting foreign aid is going to fix this problem, you are wrong.
We need to cut Social Security, Medicare Medicaid, Welfare, Subsidies and Food Stamps.
We need to get people back to work, and need to stop funding people who don't work. That will fix our deficit.
@laglen (19759)
• United States
6 Aug 11
surprised? I'm not. They have been playing with our economy and our futures with only politics in mind. And their politics are way off base.
Will this affect Obama's chances? Ya know, I wish I could say yes, but people are just dumb enough to scare me. I hear daily, people defending Obama's blatant disregard for our country, our citizens and our Constitution.
@Kenorv (343)
• United States
6 Aug 11
The U.S. really needs a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution. We need to take away the government's ability to spend recklessly. Over $14 trillion in debt and an estimated $1.5 trillion deficit this year alone are simply put, unacceptable. And what kind of plan do they come up with to handle this issue? A meager $2.4 trillion in deficit reduction over 10 years? Those kinds of cuts are insignificant. The U.S. will still be producing over $1 trillion in deficit spending every year even with those cuts. The same would have been said even if they went up to $4 trillion in deficit reduction over 10 years.
The time has come for the U.S. to stop adding to the debt and start paying down the debt, not just making interest payments on the debt. The only way to do that is with a balanced budget amendment because it's clear that without one, the government can't control themselves when it comes to reckless spending. And if the democrats and republicans won't support a balanced budget amendment then the voters need to kick both parties out of power for good and start electing people that will support a balanced budget amendment.
@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
6 Aug 11
Is anyone really surprise. The debt deal congress has nothing in it that will balance the budget or pay off our debts. Heck it still the government spending more than it takes in and still having to borrow more money. There is no longer term goal of getting us out of debt or even living within our means.
If you saw someone living way beyond their means, in huge debt and then no doing anything to fix the problem, in fact looking to borrow more money and getting themselves even deeper in debt....you would do the same thing.
Our government has failed to solve this problem or even come close to even trying to deal with it.By the way...anyoone else ticked off about this "super congress" they are forming? It is NOT constitutional.
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
6 Aug 11
Yes. It's such BS. Both sides are full of sht up to their eyeballs.
Because government spends trillions of dollars too much every single year, and because the government is far too large to operate within its means, their brilliant idea is to EXPAND GOVERNMENT!
We're all the fools for allowing it to get this far.
I don't care about the letter. These bozos need to lose their cushy jobs and rough it somewhere else.
@preethaanju (3000)
• India
6 Aug 11
Its time US mind its own business rather than interfering in other nation's problems. This was bound to happen sooner or later. With massive amounts of money being spent on unproductive wars in the name of fighting terror, falling into a debt trap was only a matter of time. The US must also look into its relations with Pakistan and the billions of dollars that has been given as aid to this nation.It will take some time and effort for the US to get back on rails and this will have an adverse effect on the world economy especially India with most of its IT business being US centered
@stary1 (6612)
• United States
6 Aug 11
Wow I didn't expect this and especially not before the weekend. Last I heard was the decision would be put off until Monday.
Perhaps this is good for us. If it can be a wake up call for our spend, spend, spend Congress, then maybe some good can come of it. Those guys can't keep spending like 'drunken sailors'
This is now part of Obama’s legacy. Right, wrong, or indifferent it happened on his watch, he gets credit and blame for everything. Credit for killing UBL has been his greatest achievement so far..this will be one of his worst, so far.