What do you think of China's attitude towards US?

@scheng1 (24649)
Singapore
August 6, 2011 10:08pm CST
According to a news report in Reuters, China's official news agency says that China has the right to demand US to solve the debt problem, and to ensure the safety of China's assets (meaning the Treasury bonds). What do you think of China's attitude now? Many years ago, the newspapers around the world are full of United States condemning China for this or that. Now the reverse happens. China is scorning US for its debt addiction, and is calling for a new currency to replace the USD as the reserve currency for the world. What do you think of China's attitude towards US? Do you think it is justify, given that China is the largest holder of US Treasury bonds?
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@1hopefulman (45120)
• Canada
7 Aug 11
I thought it was new news but the story goes back to 2009. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123780272456212885.html No matter, students of the Bible know that there will be a colossal economic crash in the not too distant future, where even gold and silver will be of no value. In reality, they have no value. We just give them value. Much like idol gods. We give them power but in reality they have no power.
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@1hopefulman (45120)
• Canada
8 Aug 11
But is it only the US that has handled its finances badly? I don't think most nations have done a good job. It is a world disease and not just confined to the US.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
9 Aug 11
Hi 1hopefulman, generally the western cultures are worse in handling finance than eastern cultures. The traditional eastern cultures is to save up, and save enough before you buy anything. The eastern cultures also encourage children to take care of their parents, and do not rely on the government or anyone to fulfill the duties. As a result, the saving culture is very strong. One example is the household saving of Chinese in China. Even China government is worried that its people hoard so much money in the bank, and that will prevent the economy from stabilizing.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
8 Aug 11
Hi 1hopefulman, everyone knows how bad the US government has handled its finances. However, the degrading of US Treasury bonds is a new thing. Since S&P degrades the Treasury bond, the other two rating agencies are likely to do the same thing. The reason is very simple. S&P is merely sounding out to the world what everyone knows. Gold and silver are valuable assets, since these are the creations of God. The best use of gold and silver was in the building of the two temples, so that worshipers were reminded that all good things come from God.
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@Awinds (2468)
• United States
7 Aug 11
My American bred reaction is to say how dare anyone boss us around! But I think China does indeed have a right to rebuke us. When an investor makes an investment, he expects a return. It is the same on the level of countries. We here in America have a duty to manage our money wisely. But as is now obvious to all that hasn't been the case. We now have a very large debt that didn't need to be. We have a congress that doesn't seem to eager to reduce that debt. If we go down, a lot of places in the world will suffer from the shock waves. We not only have a responsibility to ourselves, but to the world. China can indeed reprimand us for our money management - especially since they hold so many US treasury bonds. However I don't know how important keeping their assets safe is, since they are very eager to invest elsewhere. When one invests there is a risk. Investors ought to know this. As for finding a reserve currency to replace the US one, China is going to have a bit of trouble. The next best choice is the Euro, but that is in deep trouble to from an every larger debt crisis.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
7 Aug 11
Hi Awinds, if you think of the political implication, you can see how big the problem is. If China government is not as strong as it is, the problem of US Treasury bonds is enough to overthrow the current administration, and civil wars will break out. It is not as if China wants to buy US Treasury bonds in the first place. US wants to buy so many things from China, and yet has no money to pay for it. Think of all the shoes selling in Walmart, and all the cheap T-shirts that people in US are wearing. How do you all pay for the goods made in China? Individuals pay by cash or credit card, but as a country, US pays by Treasury bonds. If US defaults on Treasury bonds, that means China is selling things to you all free of charge. If that is not worrying enough to the China government, I do not know what else is. The debt has grown to so much that everyone in China is screaming at its government.
@Awinds (2468)
• United States
7 Aug 11
Right now a lot of American owned manufacturing companies in China employ a lot of Chinese. Like Nike. There is a call in the United States to bring these companies home. If such an action were to take place, thousands if not more of Chinese workers would be out of the job. It might even really damage their economy. There is also a call to remove China's favored nation trading status (which allows them to send goods here without paying a tariff). Do you think America has a right to pull these companies out or, since we blundered on our financial obligations and might injure China if it gets worse, do you think America has no right to remove these companies? :) Also, does America have a right to charge China a tariff?
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
7 Aug 11
Hi Awinds, I think if Nike pulls out from China, the jobless Chinese is the least of the problems. I think the likely situation will be this: 1. Nike moves the manufacturing plant back to US, and has to sell the running shoes at five times the current price. The labor cost of American workers is still many times that of cheap China labor. 2. The laid off workers in China will start a company that manufactured the running shoes and give it a new name. The running shoes will be equally good or slightly inferior in quality to Nike's shoes. But since the price will be far lower, Americans will still buy these shoes. 3. In the end, Nike will suffer losses for a few quarters, and China is still enjoying great sales in manufacturing and selling shoes.
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@peavey (16936)
• United States
7 Aug 11
I don't think we can blame China for their attitude, although it's unsettling. The whole thing makes me nervous. I'm not sure just what the downgrading of our credit is going to mean in the long run, but it can't be good. China owns so much of our debt that they can make it very uncomfortable for us.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
7 Aug 11
Hi Peavey, I think China government is feeling even more uncomfortable. The people in China are very unhappy that the government decides to park so much money in Treasury bonds, and having the assets decrease in value every month. The decline in USD serves to make the Treasury bonds less valuable every day. Fortunately China government does not bow down to its people easily, otherwise we will have a political crisis in China. That will definitely bring the world into a deeper recession. I think you should feel more uncomfortable with the politicians in US, since they are spending all their time blaming each other, and did nothing useful for the country and the people. On top of that, they are wasting taxpayers' money in getting those statistics, and closed door conferences.
@lampar (7584)
• United States
7 Aug 11
China president is not happy about U.S debt situation and worry about the possibiility of interest payment default on those US treasury bill and bond they hold. If any unsolve debt crisis continue to drag on, the rating on U.S government debt instrument will be downgraded, then it will affect the earning of China's large holding of U.S debt presently. China intervene for the sake of its own $$ interest, not U.S, let's not mistaken that inherent interest China has on a stable U.S financial and capital market; may be the Chinese leader should take heed of his own advice, don't interfere in the internal affair of U.S like it always want other to do on its human rights record and territorial expansion plan. Buying U.S treasury instruments doesn't give it the right to intervene in that country fiscal and monetary policy, chinese leader need to heed to his own advice restrospectively. U.S doesn't force China to buy its debt instruments in an open market through coercive and deceptive practices, so China need to stop its belligerent attitude toward U.S toward debt issue.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
8 Aug 11
Hi Lampar, China is more worried about the political stability, and not just the returns from US Treasury bond. The people in China are very unhappy with the China government for many factors. Inflation is so high that workers are on strike practically everyday in all major and second tier cities. Since they see the government parking so much money on US bonds, which everyone knows is getting more and more useless, the people are voicing out their anger. This is the political problem that causes more concern. If China government bows to the pressure from the people, and starts to throw a trillion dollars of Treasury bonds in the open market, that will be another financial crisis for the world. So far, the China government is silence on the matter. The official media, Xinhua, technically does not represent the government, even though the editorial remarks are very strongly worded. At least, Xinhua says that China has the "right to demand US straighten out its affair", so far it never says China wants to intervene in anyway.
@lampar (7584)
• United States
12 Aug 11
CHina doesn't 'throw' trillion dollar into U.S bond market, my friend! They are buying the safest investment debt security in the world. U.S issued bond and treasury bill are not useless like you want us to believe, they are AAA rating and highly reliable with guarantee interest payment every year. Don't tell me you really believe communist leaders are so stupid that they are parking trillion dollar in 'useless' U.S treasury bill and bond every year, 'throwing' their Yuan away for the fun of it. hahaha.... You are either not realistic or reading too much Chinese news in Singapore.
@Jacruz25 (1124)
• Philippines
7 Sep 11
China was angry about the US because of previews relationship like the korean war and 1996 tension with taiwan. As a communist and a democratic they sure don't match. China is a super power now so they are not intimidated with the US. They believe taht they are already a global power that no country can tell them what to do.
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
8 Sep 11
Hi Jacruz, that is true, especially when China is so rich, and US has more debt than income. If US wants to tell China what to do, it better makes sure it can repay all the money first. Many US companies are setting up factories in China. A bad relationship means those US companies going to face problems in China. They would not want their companies to lose money.
• China
15 Aug 11
It is a good discussion. China is not a rich country. Maybe you will say that China develops very fast. Maybe China is the second largest economy in the world. But China have 1.3 billion people, you know. Now China is the largest holder of US Treasury bonds. As a Chinese, I think it is not a good news for China. Every day, I know, the bonds depreciate in value. So I think China government just makes a normal reaction. Maybe just some newspaper make a extreme and abnormal explanation.
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
18 Aug 11
Hi Onewaydream, China is now richer than many countries, definitely richer than United States. US has more debt than revenue, and China has more money than investment opportunities. While the common people are not rich, the country is definitely very rich. I think if China government were to give every citizen RMB200, everyone will feel happy for a while.
@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
7 Aug 11
China owns a lot of US debt. If I borrowed from a bank and kept borrowing past my capacity to pay back, the bank would be within its rights to demand that I either pay them back or show some fiscal responsibility. It has to protect its investment. Of course, in the US the banks can't tell you how to manage your money but they can cut off your credit. I understand China getting nervous about the possibility of being repaid all that we've borrowed. The American people are nervous, too. We are spending money we don't have and our government shows no sign of stopping. We ordinary people are cutting back, being frugal and doing without but our government doesn't seem to realize how much trouble the country is in. So I don't think China is wrong to criticize. They are trying to protect their investment. I just wish someone could get it through our president's and Congress's heads that there is no more money and they must stop spending. I hope China doesn't call in its loans. I hope we can survive until we get a new president.
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
7 Aug 11
Hi Dragon, if we borrow too much money from the bank, the bank can foreclose our assets or make us bankrupt. The problem is that China cannot just foreclose a state of US. It is impossible to think about China having Alaska as a trade off for the unpaid debt. I think that makes the situation even more uncomfortable for China. While the Chinese government understands the need for financial stability, and seldom makes noise about the US credit problem, the people in China are less forgiving. They are very unhappy with the way China government parks the money in Treasury bonds. With every passing month, the value of the Treasury bonds gets lesser and lesser, due to declining USD.
@vegegirl (828)
• Australia
12 Aug 11
Sure, the US should live within their means and learn to budget. It makes you wonder why there is so much crime and poverty there when they have obviously spent so much money.
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
12 Aug 11
Hi Vegegirl, US spends money on the wrong thing. They spend so much money on fighting wars all over the world, and do nothing much for the people. If they had spent the money to hire more police and teachers, and keep the children in school longer, they would have less crime and poverty.