You Should Get an Abortion!
By Toni
@toniganzon (72533)
Philippines
August 11, 2011 3:44am CST
I'm not trying to tell our dear mylotters to go ahead and get an abortion. That statement was said by a mother to her own daughter.
I discussed about my brother-in-law's girlfriend getting pregnant and he's planning to move in. Now yesterday he picked his girlfriend up at the airport together with his mom and they made their confession to her. I was expecting that she would be in rage because it's her only daughter. But i didn't expect her to tell her own daughter in front of the boyfriend to get an abortion.
I find her a hypocrite. Every Sunday she goes to church and pray to God as a devoted Catholic. And now she's telling her daughter to get an abortion because next month they're gonna have a family reunion and she doesn't want relatives to know that her daughter is pregnant!
I couldn't understand how a mother would risk the life of her own daughter and commit a mortal sin against her God because of pride. I couldn't understand how she could push his own daughter to commit a crime against the Philippine law!
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32 responses
@lilbabycatapillar (497)
• United States
11 Aug 11
If her daughter is pregnant, it really is out of her hands, especially if she is old enough to make her own decisions. Abortion or not, she needs to support her daughter. She might very well be disappointed and embarrassed that her daughter became pregnant before getting married, but no matter how much other people talk, she has to be loyal to her own daughter. It is not right to tell anyone to get an abortion, that is a very personal decision, mother or not.
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@toniganzon (72533)
• Philippines
11 Aug 11
In a conservative country like the Philippines, every mother has the right to command their children no matter how old they are especially if she's still living under her roof. But to tell her daughter to get an abortion which is considered a crime not only against the law but against God made her a hypocrite as she's claiming to be a devoted Catholic at that!
And nobody should decide to get an abortion here as it is a criminal act. One can go to prison for that!
@thetis thanks for explaining further. I really hate hypocrites! Especially those Catholics who would go to church everyday but speak ill of others.
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@thetis74 (1525)
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11 Aug 11
What is so wrong with her is that she more afraid of what the people might think and she fails to consider how God will think of her. That is just how hypocrites are. They try so hard to look nice to others but they can't at least look nice to their own conscience in case she is not really afraid of God.
@thetis74 (1525)
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11 Aug 11
That was absurd. She is indeed a hypocrite. Although it does not surprise me because I have known a lot of people who goes to church regularly and sing God's gospels but both the couple I know are hypocrites. My cousin who married to their who is a seaman is not the one holding the atm card and she almost doesn't have anything for herself and they will compute to the last penny the expenses for the children. It's my cousin's fault anyway because she is too nice she can't fight.
But this one is her daughter. I would have expected her to be happy because she will finally have a grand child. I hope she realizes what a hypocrite she is. It is so inconceivable. I wish the couple is fine just now despite all that shocking statement.
@toniganzon (72533)
• Philippines
11 Aug 11
They're not okay and i'm afraid that they might end up fighting. My father-in-law was even planning to ask for the girl's hand in marriage this Sunday but due to the mother's reaction my father-in-law said that he would never face such a woman!
Really a hypocrite! I just feel sorry for my brother-in-law who was all excited in reporting to all his relatives that he's gonna be a father. I hope that the girlfriend is strong enough to face up to her mom! She's already 31 years old!
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@thetis74 (1525)
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11 Aug 11
That is sad. I hope that the girl will stand up for herself and do what's right because that is her life. You see, there are so many people in the world who are suffering from the most difficult problems they can't imagine facing. And here comes the more fortunate family who seems to have everything in life and they seem to create a problem that is not supposed to be a problem at all. She is illogically making an issue out of nothing.
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@toniganzon (72533)
• Philippines
11 Aug 11
True. You know that made me wonder why she easily said that to her daughter as if it's a natural thing. So i thought to myself maybe she had done the same before. What a pitiful person.
@dpk262006 (58678)
• Delhi, India
11 Aug 11
She might be too afraid to face her relatives. If getting abortion is a crime, getting pregnant without marrying someone is not a crime, under Philippine law?
@dpk262006 (58678)
• Delhi, India
12 Aug 11
My response was in the context of culture and customs prevailing here in India. Here the concept of 'single mother' is not prevalent and single mothers are not welcomed. However, as you have said it is different in Philippine.
dpk
This discussion features in today's i.e. 12th August, 2011 'mylot digest'. Congrats!
@toniganzon (72533)
• Philippines
16 Aug 11
Thanks Dee! I didn't even know this was on mylot digest.
@weasel81 (2496)
• Australia
11 Aug 11
without saying anything about religion, that will upset other members. you hear the stories about it. but i feel it is wrong to get an abortion done with out good cause. (like the baby will be born with a defect) Most mothers even thou may not show it would be thrilled to be grandparents!!! Even if their daughter is a bit young etc. I have a friend whos' daughter fell preg early, the parents werent to thrilled due to her age, but the daughter and her partner have worked together and now have 2 kids together even thou she is still young (under 21 i think she is)
Times have changed and people need to move with them, it is not so much a sin to have a child out of wedlock now, but then also some cultures it still is.
@toniganzon (72533)
• Philippines
16 Aug 11
Of course there's not much i can do about it! That's why i'm discussing it here instead of telling it to her face. Once a hypocrite will always be a hypocrite!
@toniganzon (72533)
• Philippines
12 Aug 11
But my golly she's already 31! And what's worse is that it's your own mother who suggested that to you. And we are talking about this considering our own culture.
What i really wanted to discuss here is whether or not she should get it but it's about the hypocrisy of the mother!
@chicksdigscars (5483)
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11 Aug 11
thats completely wrong, and i can understand your anger. and if thats how she truely feels, yet she goes to church and is a devoted catholic etc.. then thats completely wrong.. however i have 2 points.
my first point is, the legal age or timeframe for a child to be aborted, is so that the child, is not a child yet. it is merely a feotus. now a lot of abortion protesters that you would see on tv, and on the streets, are holding pictures of aborted babies, that are fully formedm with hearts, brains etc.. which is, if you look it up, scientifically impossible unless the child was, i don;t know, injected with some rapid aging hormone or something.. the point of abortion is to get rid of an unwanted baby, that doesnt mean it is a "baby" thats being aborted. maybe many years ago it did, but the vast manjority of abortions that take place, are when the "baby" is no more than cells, starting to form. there is no "baby" yet. it has no feelings, no memory, no nothing. technically the "baby" ceases to exist, merely cell formation etc... so whereas i'm not FOR abortion, i can understand how some people are.
my second point is.. do you think maybe the mother is just scared? i mean, is the girl young? maybe the mother is worried about her daughter not being financially stable? maybe shes worried about the baby not being provided for. has the daughter ever had a history of depression? maybe the mother is worried that the strain, especially with the lack of funds, and living arrangements being so up in the air [having to live with you etc] her daughter may become mentally ill? post-natal depression etc? did you not say she was her mothers primary carer? maybe the mother is concerned that considering the daughter looks after her, she may not be able to look after a child too? and if the mother is ill and dependant on her child, maybe she feels guilty that she won't be able to help out where the baby is concerned? it may just be irrational fear talking, rather than clear thought? and if the time came for the abortion, her faith, love for her daughter, and maternal instincts for a grand-child may cause her to rethink the situation?
@toniganzon (72533)
• Philippines
11 Aug 11
I would like to say that in my country we have a law against abortion and we consider life at the time of conception and the time of conception is from the moment the egg is fertilized. We cannot change that law in our country anymore thus, abortion can never be legalized here and there's no argument about that. Nobody in our country claims for abortion to be legalized. The only exception given under the law is when the baby threatens the life of the mother, then the husband is made to choose who's life is he going to save. That is the only exception allowed under the law.
The girlfriend is already 31 years old with a stable job at that. And here in our country the parents' financially support their children no matter how old their children are. It's also written under our Civil Code The Right to Support! She has the money to take care for a dozen grandchildren. The mother is perfectly healthy at the age of 65 and even travels abroad now and then. And even if she was mad at that time, no religious person would ever utter such thing to her own daughter, especially those who considered themselves as a devoted one. It's a mortal sin and should not even be mentioned by one who is very religious. Almost similar to not mentioning Voldemort's name out of fear.
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@chicksdigscars (5483)
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11 Aug 11
toni i can entirely understand then.. obviously the views, opinions and laws are very different in your country to mine, and although abortion is not something i condone, and would never do, i am able to see the different sides to things and opinions, and because of what i know through friends that are doctors, who actually are against abortion, but are able to tell me that it is not a baby you are aborting but merely a bunch of cells, similar to having a growth removed, as horrible as that sounds. so i am able to see why some people, who don't have these laws and beliefs, moral or religious, could make that decision.
in relation to the girls mother then, i have no idea why on earth she would suggest this, i can only think of fear for her daughter financially, if there is barely enough money to look after her and her daughter let alone a third baby, or maybe she is being selifsh?
and to thetis74.. i can understand what you are saying, but you have no right to condone what is wrong, or right, when it comes to a woman, and her womb, and her child/foetus. you cannot say it is wrong, because if it were wrong, it would be against the law everywhere, which it is not. and it is not, because while you say the laws of nature do not allow it, the laws of science have proven, that dependant on the time of abortion.. there is no baby! only cells and membrane.. it is NOT a living creature yet, but merely the formation of one. it's the different between destroying a frog, and destroying frogspawn.. or destroying a chicken, or destroying an egg.. people have no problem destroying eggs, that could have turned into a chicken, so there is no difference between that and destroying cells that could have turned into a baby. surely you can see that point, no matter what your beliefs are?
@thetis74 (1525)
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11 Aug 11
No matter how young a woman is once she has conceived and is pregnant that is life inside the womb. And whether a devoted catholic or not, whether atheist, agnostic whatsoever, it only takes common sense to know what is right and what is wrong. Even if there is no law to follow the laws of nature surely does not allow that.
@mmespino (77)
• Philippines
11 Aug 11
Many countries are now legalizing abortion but it doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. i feel sad when i heard stories like this. and how odd that people who really are in to abortion are condemning killings/murders? when in fact they must condemn themselves too.
In situation like this, a mother should know what's the best thing to do even if her "image" is at stake. A normal person know's how to respond this kind situation, thus i think the mother of you brother-in-law's gf is not "normal".
@toniganzon (72533)
• Philippines
11 Aug 11
I agree. She's crazy because what matters to her is her own selfish pride.
@mmespino (77)
• Philippines
12 Aug 11
it's a sad reality. however your brother-in-law and his gf should do the right thing though. i know it would be hard for both of them but you can never correct a mistake by another mistake.
i know they will not regret if they will do what their conscience dictated to them.
God bless to both of them.
@toniganzon (72533)
• Philippines
12 Aug 11
My brother-in-law is a very opinionated man and he would do no such thing. However, he's leaving the decision to the girlfriend because the last time they discussed it they had a fight. So i know the girlfriend is a bit confuse whether to follow her mom or not.
@ladygator (3465)
• United States
13 Aug 11
I think that this is a terrible situation to be in and find that so many people will say what someone should do or throw around the sin factor. But when it is there own family they see this as a separate situation and its not! People are people no matter what and sin is sin no matter what. I have a hard time with this situation. And how far along is she? Is she showing? That is pretty late to abort the baby and could really cause her harm and that is not to mention the mental torment that will come after if she were to get this done. How old is she? And why did she think that it was so bad after the fact? She needs to let her daughter make her own decision on this. Its ultimately her decision. She is the one who will need to live with this.
@toniganzon (72533)
• Philippines
16 Aug 11
She's not showing, she's just a month pregnant and she's 31 years old.
@maximax8 (31046)
• United Kingdom
11 Aug 11
They are going to have a family reunion next month and the mother cares about what the rest of the family members are going to think. I think that the daughter is pregnant and she must get used to that fact. I think it is very wrong for the mother to tell her own daughter to have an abortion. Her daughter's boyfriend is planning to move in with her and be very supportive. I am surprised that the mother is a church goer. Also abortions are illegal in the Philippines. So she wants her daughter to have a back street abortion and risk her life.
@toniganzon (72533)
• Philippines
11 Aug 11
Exactly! I just couldn't get how such a mother who calls herself a devotee give such advise to her own daughter to save her own pride. It's her own pride that she's talking about. How selfish could she get? I have never ever met a selfish mom like that.
If my mother were alive she should never ever tell us to get an abortion because of that. She would arrange a marriage but never suggest an abortion.
@vkatrix (78)
• India
12 Aug 11
How very true, maximax8!
She's actually advocating an illegal move, putting her daughter's health at risk AND proving her hypocrisy!! Despite showing herself as an avid believer and God-fearing, sadly enough, she's just reflected her true colours as a woman who places her false pride EVEN ABOVE her GOD!!
What kind of a woman is she?? :@
This is SO shocking...
@sid556 (30959)
• United States
12 Aug 11
Hi Toniganzon,
Well, I actually believe that it is the woman's choice. I would NEVER EVER tell my daughter that she should get an abortion..NEVER! When one of my daughters found herself in a situation and asked me what I thought she should do, I told her that the choice was 100% hers and that I would support her and help her in any way that I could regardless of how she chose to go with it. In the end, she decided she would keep the baby but unfortunatly lost it. She did get pregnant again and this time there was no question at all...she kept him and I now have a 7 month old grandson. I can't imagine telling my daughter to get an abortion or anyone for that matter.
@toniganzon (72533)
• Philippines
16 Aug 11
Spoken like a true mother! I have a son as well and if i have a daughter who went through the same, i would never suggest for an abortion at all. Yes, i would be very disappointed at first. Living in a conservative religious country it would be natural for me to get disappointed, but i would never ever suggest abortion.
@daeckardt (6237)
• United States
20 Aug 11
I don't see how any Catholic would make that kind of decision. Although I am no longer practicing, I still believe life is sacred and that there is no such thing as an unwanted baby, just an unwanted pregnancy (something my pastor said when I was in 9th grade). What does the daughter want? I agree that the mother is a hypocrite. Since the daughter is an adult (at least I think she would be), it should be her own decision and not the mother's. What right does she have to try to get her daughter to do such a thing??? If it is illegal in your country, I hope the daughter makes the right choice. Thanks for sharing!
@daeckardt (6237)
• United States
20 Aug 11
I'm glad to hear that. I hope that everything will go well for them.
@toniganzon (72533)
• Philippines
20 Aug 11
She's keeping the baby and the mother came to her senses as well!
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@minniemadz (499)
• Philippines
14 Aug 11
Yes, I don't see any logic there. From what I understand, I assume that the girls belly is not yet that big; so, the relatives won't think that she is pregnant. On the other hand, if the reunion is coming in a week's time, I don't believe the girl could attend the reunion given that she just undergone an abortion.
Anyway, I believe that abortion is a mortal sin. This mother should be educated. The unborn in a mother's womb already has life! Aborting the baby is synonymous to killing. I would argue with her if she would lie that she does not know the fifth commandment of God. I hope the girl did not obey her mother this time around.
@toniganzon (72533)
• Philippines
16 Aug 11
I said the reunion would be next month and i made this discussion just a few days ago. And the daughter is already 31 years old and i think she wouldn't go through abortion.
@marguicha (223776)
• Chile
12 Aug 11
Besides the law of each country, I think this is something that you donĀ“t tell anyone at a public place, no matter what your ideas on the subject. It shows a lack of sensibility and manners in something that is, to say the least, one of the mayor decisions a person can make in her life.
I would not call her a mother: she does not deserve the name.
@Danzylop (1120)
• Philippines
12 Aug 11
Its not only the Philippine Law because you can easily escape it when that kind of sin. If they'll do it, there's more than being in jail. Everyone knows how to define conscience. And we know how it grudges against a person as a human being. You can escape away from jail but never from your conscience. It will never give you peace of mind while you are still alive.
I do not understand people who pretend to be religious and yet, would opt to kill an innocent unborn human being. How ruthless would a person be to do such against a baby? I am also giving an allowance for her so I can see the way it feels for her. The mother may have felt ashamed to let everyone know the problem because she is "religious". She wants to save her own honor at all means even if it takes someone's life.
for the couple, I suggest that they continue what they have started. The baby is innocent and so why would he be punished with the sin he didn't committed? If they have to stay away from the girls daughter then it is (for me) better. Fight for the baby's life. and they should stand the result of their choices.
@toniganzon (72533)
• Philippines
16 Aug 11
The couple never thought of that the first time they found out they're having a baby. And like i said the boyfriend was even planning to ask the mom formally for the daughter's marriage.
And yes it's more than the law of the land here but i'm just stating it for those mylotters who live in a country where abortion is considered legal.
@vkatrix (78)
• India
12 Aug 11
Hi toniganzon
This is horrendous. Asking your daughter to get an abortion - when she is financially independent and old enough!! Added to it the fact that it's totally against your country's law!!
If living under her roof is what makes her have to obey commands, well, she should move out!! Why don't they just marry?? Her being angry is acceptable, but she is definitely being too brash. Family reunion is next month, right?? Why can't she take that day as an occasion to announce her daughter's wedding!?
I pray and hope everything turns out right for your brother-in-law and his girlfriend...
God help them through it all.
Have a nice day!
@toniganzon (72533)
• Philippines
16 Aug 11
True! She's just simply blinded by her rage. But i couldn't understand why she should even think of abortion. Is having a grandchild really that worse for her?
My father-in-law already suggested for them to elope if the mother insists on that.
@vkatrix (78)
• India
18 Aug 11
Wow! Putting myself in your father-in-law's shoes, well, that is what I'd tell my son too!!
I know running away is never a solution, but between running away and murder, any sane human would pick running away, any day!
I really appreciate your father-in-law for being so supportive! Hats off to him :)
@cripfemme (7698)
• United States
12 Aug 11
I can't imagine telling my child that. I am pro-choice, but it's a bad thing to say. I would, never encourage my child to have an abortion, even if she doesn't like the boy, although I'm sure your cousin is a fine person. Does what her child what's mean nothing? I'm confused and horrified for the girl.
@toniganzon (72533)
• Philippines
12 Aug 11
What is so surprising is that the whole family of the girl like my brother-in-law. They even invited him every time there is a family occasion. When their family went on a trip, they invited him along. So it was really shocking how such a mother could advice her daughter that and she claims to be an obedient daughter of God.
@neildc (17239)
• Lapu-Lapu City, Philippines
12 Aug 11
i could not understand how she said it to her daughter. if it's a crime against the law of the country, it's much heavier sin to the law of Heavens. she is really a hypocrite and i cannot understand how such a devotee thought of killing an innocent even before being born.
@toniganzon (72533)
• Philippines
16 Aug 11
She should never showed the people how a devoted catholic she is. Such a show off and such a shame.
@alottodo (3056)
• Australia
12 Aug 11
I Am not surprised at all! and why not? I had the opportunity to meet such people in my life[ those who go to church every sunday and pray to God asking for forgiviness ] and they are the most selfish self centre human beings I have ever met!...let's put it this way I was rised a catholic[ family tradition... right?]but today I Am sad to say I do not believe in the institution of the church and the people that populate that institution.
@toniganzon (72533)
• Philippines
16 Aug 11
I have long given up on Catholicism. That church is full of hypocrites, not only this woman i am talking about.
@metahelly (42)
• Romania
12 Aug 11
Unfortunately there are many people like this women... I think abortion is one of the biggest sin a women can do because it's like rejecting God from my point of view. Beside this, abortion is very dangerous for healthy, sometimes that women will never have children again of it might even die while doing this - I know cases.
The best thing that she could is to keep the child.
@toniganzon (72533)
• Philippines
12 Aug 11
True. That's why i said this woman is really atrocious for suggesting that to her daughter. She's willing to risk the life of her very own grandchild and her very own flesh and blood.
@insperwriter (41)
• United States
12 Aug 11
As a mother of 3 children, I am completely horrified that this mother would advise her only daughter to kill her only grandchild! I can understand the stress and embarrassment, but a human life is at stake. Hopefully the daughter will listen to God and have this precious child. Adoption is a great option. There are so many couples waiting for a child of their own. My prayers are with family.
@toniganzon (72533)
• Philippines
16 Aug 11
Why would they think of giving up the baby for adoption when the boyfriend is willing to marry her and is so excited to have the baby? Doesn't he have the right to that child as well?
The moment he found out he's going to be a dad there was nothing but excitement in him!