Ron Paul and the Republican Party: Why he can't be ignored

United States
August 17, 2011 8:39am CST
We seem to be heading toward a showdown in the Republican Party between the more moderate elements favoring Bachmann and Perry and a Right side and Tea Party groups favoring Ron Paul. If this plays out as predictably as I think, the GOP is just giving Obama a perfect chance at a second term. Here's my prediction: Paul keeps getting pushed out of the picture as a legitimate Republican candidate, not even garnering consideration as a VP candidate. Paul, of course, with a huge ground swell of grass roots support would be letting too many of those people down if he didn't then run as an Independent or Libertarian candidate. Either way, just being on the ticket divides the Right Wing support base of the Republican Party, and hence, no chance to defeat a sitting President with his entire Party's support. While I personally don't think Paul would make a good President on realistic (as opposed to idealistic) grounds, I fear the Grand Ol' Party can't win without him on the ticket. I'll give everyone a chance to debate whether Paul would be an effective President later. Right now the questions are as follows: Would he accept a VP nod if offered? Would that be enough to inspire his true believers? Am I off track in my prediction? Might he have a chance as an Independent or Libertarian given the great disdain for both parties? Is this the election that starts to break up the two party system after all the hatred that has been building against Congress, Obama and Washington in general?
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
18 Aug 11
" I fear the Grand Ol' Party can't win without him on the ticket. " Bingo. Totally nailed that one home dude. If the Republicans are hanging their hopes of winning against Obama with the current crop of so called "front runners", they might as well start writing their concession speech now. I am more and more convinced that there is not a single other Republican who can beat Obama. His philosophies of liberty, not sticking our noses in to hornets nests all over the world, sensible and sound monetary policy, keeping government out of the bedroom, etc are very universally appealing to a wide demographic. But, he is Ron Paul and is therefor "extreme", "fringe", etc. John Stewart did a BRILLIANT piece on the media's treatment (or rather non-treatment) of Ron Paul. It was hilarious (I mean really hilarious, almost pis$ed my pants laughing) and made it about as plain as it could what was going on: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-september-29-2009/ron-paul To answer your direct question, I really could not say. He might if he doesn't run as an alternative candidate and if directly asked. But who knows.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
18 Aug 11
The problem with the "front runners" is that all of them have a history of lies, flip flops, hypocrisy, or all of the above. To me the most telling statement in Jon Stewart's hillarious video was when he referred to Ron Paul as "ideologically consistent". That is something that can't be said about ANY of the other candidates aside from Gary Johnson (who will also be ignored).
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
17 Aug 11
I don't really see anything moderate about Bachmann and I doubt people who define themselves as moderate republicans would support her. The media blackout of Ron Paul is the only reason Bachmann is even competitive right now. I think he'd be a clear front-runner if the media wasn't doing their best to bury him. I don't think ANYONE would choose him as VP. The only candidate who even bothered to acknowledge him in the debates was Santorum and that was only to criticize and frame him as an isolationist. I read an article that said Santorum broke the cardinal rule of "Do not acknowledge Ron Paul". If someone wanted him as VP, I think he'd turn it down. VP's are expected to walk in lock step with the president and he would NEVER do that. This is the man who wouldn't even endorse McCain in 2008. I don't think he'd have a chance running as a libertarian. Go around and ask 10 people who Bob Barr is to see how much people know about libertarian candidates. Basically he'd get a double blackout at that point. One for being Ron Paul, and another for being a third party candidate.
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
18 Aug 11
"The only candidate who even bothered to acknowledge him in the debates was Santorum " Lol, and Paul promptly handed Santorums a$$ back to him on a platter. It was one of the best moments of the night.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
17 Aug 11
And Paulites will continue to marginalize him and themselves by considering anyone who doesn't share their worship of him too stupid to think for ourselves. Paulites are Ron Pauls biggest stumbling block.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
17 Aug 11
Well the problem is that sometimes those stereotypes are true. You know as well as I do that Obama had an army of clueless supporters that followed him like sheep. If someone can't clearly articulate why they are supporting their chosen candidate, then yet, they are too stupid to think for themselves. Just to be clear, you know that this is not directed at you. We've both seen the idiots that can't say what's good about a candidate beyond "We need change" or "He's so smart and we don't want a dumb president".
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
18 Aug 11
Yeah, "Paulite" is used in the specific context I used it. People who think the only reason people don't support Ron Paul is they are too stupid to think for themselves. Btw, I agree, Ron Paul should not be ignored, he is a legitimate candidate.
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
18 Aug 11
First, let may say that I understand and assume that you use the term "paulites" in reference to a particular class of supporters. I'm no "paulite" other than he is probably one of only two or 3 main stream party candidates I could support in an election. Something that adds to the dynamic of Ron Paul's support demographic though, is that because Ron Paul himself is so separated from the ideologies of the main stream parties, that so are a lot of people who support him. If you through a Roman toga party, ya gotta expect a few Romans to show up.
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@mehale (2200)
• United States
22 Sep 11
Honestly I could not say whether he would or not. If he is power hungry like most politicians are, he probably would....but I just don't know. I am not sure that I would go so far as to say that without him on the ticket the Republican party can't win though. Obama is very unpopular with a large number of voters and many of those would accept just about any alternative.....especially if there is a chance that whomever gets the nomination would actually get rid of Obamacare. But I am not nearly as sure of Paul now as I was. The more I hear him talk, the more I wonder about him.
@sierras236 (2739)
• United States
17 Aug 11
Ron Paul absolutely has to run under the Republican ticket. He would not have a chance if he ran under either independent or libertarian. A lot of Republicans like Ron Paul and a lot don't. He certainly has some fanatical fans but he is like every other candidate. Not everyone is going to like him. If you have been following the straw poll, you will find it is very misleading.
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@francesca5 (1344)
17 Aug 11
hello blathasar, i don't have the residence qualifications to take part in this discussion, however as its an interesting one, i am going to anyway. this is pure guesswork on my part, as i only can only pick up information from uk newspapers, which just isn't the same as being there. i think this split in the republican party is going to grow. because i think that there is a large section of it that know they can't win with a tea party candidate. because most of the electorate are somewhere near the centre in politics, and probably quite cautious about who they want as president. this is what the conservative party have found in the uk, that they cannot get above a 36% share of the vote, because they are just too far to the right. even with the labour party incredibly unpopular the voters just wouldn't switch. and the problem for the tea party is that a large minority is, no matter how you look at it, still a minority. and if they can't win popular support outside of the political ground they inhabit then one of them doesn't make a good choice for candidate for president, or vice president. whether paul would accept an offer to stand on the ticket as vp is secondary, in my opinion, as to whether he would be a good choice, after all it didn't do poor john mccain much good chosing sarah palin, did it! though it was unlikely he would have won even with the most sensible choice on earth as his running partner, given the mood of the country. its a difficult situation for the republicans, because the tea party is a large group within it. but if their political aims cannot gain popular support outside of a minority, however large, they can't have a candidate from that wing of the party. and the problem for the republicans is that tax cuts for the rich is hard to sell when people are worrying about unemployment. because they know that that party would reduce their benefits to hand over tax cuts to the rich. i do not know how they are going to sell that one, i really don't! will this be the end to the two party system, is also an interesting question. my feeling is that it is unlikely to do so. again based on my UK knowledge. where the cost of campaigning, is incredibly high, and also the two main parties are a known product, and i think a lot of people when voting for something important as president go for the "better the devil you know, then the devil you don't know" option, and so a new party, or an indepent candidate, would have serious problems establishing their credientials with the voters.
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