Atheists Have a Mathematical Equation For God Does Not Exist
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@IntrovertShy (2780)
Marikina, Philippines
August 21, 2011 5:22am CST
I do not like math subject -- ha ha -- but I read something on the internet that made me asks this questions. Why do they have to create a mathematical equation just to prove that God does not exist?
God is subjective which you can't see, touch and smell because it is a form of feelings within us or just only felt. God is light and love without physical form even though, there some believe that God is a person sitting on a throne -- then, how come atheist have this mathematical equation about God does not exist? I forgot the mathematical equation because I am lazy to memorize it all, besides I do not like math.
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@Graptopetalum (1807)
• Canada
23 Aug 11
In order to prove that something doesn't exist you must first have a clear idea of its nature. That pretty much rules out proving that god doesn't exist. Then you need to show that this entity is scientifically impossible or perform some sort of test that would give different results depending on if the entity exists or not.
This argument seems to try to prove that god is theoretically impossible but their concept of him is flawed (they seemed to be assuming that he had infinate energy in a finite space or something and ignored the possibility that he doesn't obey normal rules). They also use false claims like everything that exists needing to consist of matter or energy. What does gravity consist of? It's associated with matter but it isn't really matter and it's effects extend infinitely (as far as anybody can tell although it drops off with the square of the distance) beyond the matter. Matter doesn't disappear due to generating gravity. Therefore gravity doesn't obey conservation of energy. In fact physicists argue that things distant from the source of gravity have potential energy that is converted to kinetic energy as the object falls. So gravity is a sort of catalyst that converts potential energy into kinetic energy. Now I've made your brains hurt. Then there's all that dark matter and dark energy (I think the latter is another force, kind of like anti-gravity that works over intergalatic distances). But dark energy is thought to have mass and in fact make up most the mass of the universe. Have we phoned Steven Hawkin yet? Do we want to hear his explanation or do our brains hurt enough already?
People have tried the test method, praying from some hospital patients but not others (although there's no way to tell somebody wasn't praying for them). The result was that the prayed for patients did better. Hmm!
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@rogue13xmen13 (14403)
• United States
21 Aug 11
As an Agnostic dating an Atheists, I do have the answer to this.
My boyfriend told me that Atheists have to have a scientific explanation for just about everything because they believe that there is a scientific explanation for everything. The don't believe that there is a higher being or force running the show because there is no need for one and there is scientific explanation that theorizes why there is no need for one.
@IntrovertShy (2780)
• Marikina, Philippines
22 Aug 11
Ahhh... so, your dating with the atheists. I think, you learn a lot from him. I have an ex boyfriend whose a Catholic, but act like an atheists -- he he Hmmm... now I understand of why they have this equation proving that God does not exists because they believe that everything can be explained.
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@Graptopetalum (1807)
• Canada
23 Aug 11
rogue12xmen13, the only way to prove that there's no need for God is to have two universes (or perhaps you'll need multiverses) which are identical except one has a God and one doesn't. Then you will see if the one with the God works better than the one without. You'll probably have to repeat the experiment multiple times.
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@maidangela7349 (1191)
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22 Aug 11
That is impossible as you cannot prove something does not exist. With god simple common sense tells you that god as most religions concieve him does not exist. Of course it is natural to assume that when considering the wonderful world and universe we live in that there must be some power or force behind it all but clearly that force or power would not have any interest in the the welfare of any particular person or even species so all this praying and making sacrifices may appease the people taking part but otherwise they are a waste of time
@maidangela7349 (1191)
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23 Aug 11
I stand by my statement that you cannot prove something does not exist. We live in an enormouse universe with trillions and trillions of stars most of the near ones appear to have planets so we can assume most stars have them. So there are trillions of planets some of which will be capable of supporting life or at least we have no way of saying that they do not. So whatever we can concieve that cannot exist on this planet may well exist on another planet with different formation. We do not know if this is possible or not so we cannot prove it is not possible so we cannot prove something does not exist. So it is possible that one of the thousands of gods worshipped by one of the many many religions on earth that exist now or have existed could be the real god but I would suggest that common sense would suggest otherwise although as I said you cannot prove that. Common sense is not such a crude judgment as you suggest and it is in fact used in law courts quite a lot and they call it reasonable judgement but not proof.
@Graptopetalum (1807)
• Canada
23 Aug 11
maidangela, you contradict yourself. You say that you can't prove that something doesn't exist (I don't entirely agree with that but I'll save that explanation for my main comment), then you say, "With god simple common sense tells you that god as most religions concieve him does not exist." I think what most people mean by common sense is fairly crude "rule of thumb" judgement. Usually give you the right answer or at least an answer that's adequate for normal situations. However it can be wrong and tends to fall down in complicated situations. Then there's the bit about how "most religions" conceive god. There are lots of religions, have you done a survey from which you've come up with a typical god? Buddhism has no god, Hinduism has many but some forms claim that they're all manifestations of the same main god. Christianity has one god who exists as three persons. Islam has one god who'd indivisible. What's god as most religions conceive him? How does common sense tell you that he (she, it, whatever) can't exist? Is common sense reliable in this case? Then what about the other god variants, could one or more of them exist?
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@Tiaridakdyl (114)
• United States
22 Aug 11
How funny! A retired mathematics professor (at the Naval Academy) friend of mine tried to do this but everything kept showing God DOES exist so now he's a believer!
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@thetis74 (1525)
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21 Aug 11
That is interesting but I don't believe that to prove whether or not there is a God-- a mathematical equation would be reliable. I just can't understand how they could come up with such a thing. But anyway, anyone who wants to prove whether something may or may not exist will always come up with ideas to make them prove something to convince others that they are right.
I hate math too. It terrifies me.
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@uath13 (8192)
• United States
22 Aug 11
Perhaps it's the way god is being presented that makes it so easy for them to try to disprove him with an equasion. If you look at him from another perspective & say he is completely outside the laws of the universe their theory falls apart.
Imagine god as the conductor of a model train set. The train itself has a certain amount of mass & there is a certain amount of energy ( electricity ) within the set. This falls within their laws. God is not actually part of the set but he is able to see all of it & control it. That their laws can't touch.
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
21 Aug 11
There are many things in the science of our universe that do appear to rule out the idea of creation by an ultimate being. The biggest being, of course, there is zero evidence of any such being. There is far more evidence that we we're all actually alien hybrids, if you can believe that.
But you're right about it being subjective. Even if the "atheists" had an equation that solidly proved no divine being existed, most people who believe in a god wouldn't stop believing in a god.
Whatever personal reasons people believe in a god for are strong enough that they do so based on nothing more than faith. Once you put faith in something on the level, the idea of "proof" one way or the other is pretty pointless. You're going to believe what you want.
When it comes to figuring out exactly how we all got here and exactly how our universe was born and from what, that really seems to scare and anger a lot of religious people. And that's very telling.
@Graptopetalum (1807)
• Canada
23 Aug 11
I don't agree that there's zero evidence for God. What about all the miracles, fulfilled prophecies, Bible passages describing things the writers shouldn't have known about: nuclear weapons, comet impacts, dinosaurs etc.? There's plenty of evidence that God exists but most people choose to ignore it.
I don't know about evidence that we're alien hybrids. It should be pretty much impossible to hybridize humans and aliens and if you could the hybrids would almost certainly be sterile. That's assuming that life on different planets began and evolved independently. If you get something pretty much like humans on another planet that can interbreed with humans to produce fertile progeny, then you've pretty much proved creation or at least intelligent design.
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@matersfish (6306)
• United States
23 Aug 11
All the "evidence" one suggests about nuclear weapons and comet impacts and the like is the same "evidence" cited by ancient alien theorists.
They certainly do not have the same following as religious people, but what you claim to be a God they claim to be intelligent alien life that visited here thousands of years ago.
They have their own version of "evidence" for evolution's mission link, which, to a guy like me who doesn't believe in some forever-been-there sky god, makes more sense than something that was always just there and always will be there deciding to create us.
But if you have the time, you can lay out the evidence you speak of. I know of zero miracles and prophecies.
Science fiction writers wrote in detail about space travel hundreds of years before we took flight. Were they prophets or did life simply imitate art?
@IntrovertShy (2780)
• Marikina, Philippines
23 Aug 11
Oh my gosh. Ha ha That equation is difficult to understand. My lowest grade during my high school years is math.. ha ha
@Christoph56 (1504)
• Canada
29 Aug 11
I've also seen mathematical equations showing that God does exist... you can also make equations that show that an infinite number of gods exist, or that none exist, whatsoever. The real proof that God does not exist, is that we can not sense him with any of our senses. He's about as believable as haunted houses or ferries or leprechauns or Sasquatch or the loch ness monster. The only thing that exists about them, is that people talk about them, now, does that make them all real?
@greenfeathers (1206)
• United States
22 Aug 11
Well, in school I had a math teacher who showed us a mathematical equation that proved that 1=0..Therefore being and nonbeing are the same. Unfortunately, we can't test the theory as nonbeings are difficult to find, much less contact..oh well..
Mathematics is a flawed science because it reflects our observations of the sphere of existence in which we find ourselves. The flaw is that as a part of it we don't have the ability to see it all and that missing perspective, no doubt, is an important part of the overall equation...oh well on that too..Enjoy!
@bensclai (62)
• Philippines
29 Aug 11
i see, quite a number of mylotters are atheists eh?
just because we don't see something with our eyes does not mean that it doesnt exist..or we cant dismiss something just because we cant understand it fully and completely...there are a lot of things we dont really understand but still acknowledge that they exist...
how can one prove that God does not exist?
evidence of an intelligent creator is out there in abundance! just look around you! look at yourself!
you got all the evidence you need!
@touchtype30s (70)
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21 Aug 11
I think a maths equation to see if God exists or not actually sounds quite fun - but a bit daft. If there is a God wouldn't he have invented mathematics and then where are you?
@IntrovertShy (2780)
• Marikina, Philippines
22 Aug 11
I believe that God gave knowledge to each individual and that also includes mathematics! Ha ha
@pennywise25 (321)
• Mexico
3 Feb 12
After going throwing up my breakfast because of your crappy english, I will try to give my best opinion. I'm sorry, but it is impossible to ignore such a strange trial of writing in it. anyway, I've hear little about such an equation, and in any case, I believe it must be something like an Ockham's razor reasoning, such as that one proposed by Stephen Hawkings, claiming not that god doesn't exist, but that its existence is not necessary, meaning that everything can be nicely explained by means of science and natural process. Believing in god is up to you thereafter.
@_sketch_ (5742)
• United States
22 Aug 11
Okay, well I am a nonbeliever and I have never heard of this. It really makes no sense. At any rate, the equation still sounds much more believable to me than God.
@libramie (562)
• Philippines
21 Aug 11
Its their way on how to prove that God does not exist because they don't believe it. So, its up to us also how to gain or get the truth of what is the real state or form of God. As it be in accordance to our belief and be also supported with a proof? We have freedom maybe to select the path and find the truth for our own good.
@chiwasaki (4694)
• Philippines
21 Aug 11
Those mathematical equations are useless. They don't need a mathematical equation to prove that God does not exist because in the first place, they don't believe in God. Whether they announce it to the whole world, some believers will just care less. Why? Because we don't based our belief in an equation but by faith. We can't see Him, can't hear Him or at times, we can't feel Him. But we know that He is there. Because we have faith. Have a nice day!
@waflay (2737)
• Nairobi, Kenya
21 Aug 11
Mathematics a science which can be manipulated to produce a desired answer.I believe that every mathematical problems has more than one answer, and that is why invention of formulas has become the key issue to for one to get the desired outcome. If they have a mathematical equation to back-up their believe, it well and fine because that is exactly why the formula was invented.