Twilight

Haha you’re welcome, I glad I gave you the challenge you wanted lol! I don’t really have much to say on “The Host” because I actually haven’t read it, but from what I just looked up there online, it seemed to have been written to appeal to an older demographic, a group older than those who would have been interested in the Twilight saga.. so unless she has written Twilight in a way that is easier and more appealing, and can be more wide spread in its fame and likeability and to appeal to those who may enjoy a lighter read, than those who enjoy harder hitting and more intense books, like the Host, as that’s what it seems to be from what I’ve just read about it? I don’t think she jumped on the vampire bandwagon though and I don’t really think you can say much about the originality. As I’ve said, I haven’t read the host, so I can’t offer much of an opinion on her creature originality in that aspect, but I don’t think it was originality she was going for. I think the fact that she didn’t alter the basic formula of the vampires was on purpose, it was a good thing, because it allowed the reader to draw on what they already knew about vampires, because they weren’t changed that much. The reader was able to house what they already knew, the basis, the foundations, the pros, the cons, the likeability factors, and the factors they disliked, and still see them in a different light. So I think it was good that she hadn’t changed anything, was actually quite genius, and not laziness at all. Because although you say she tacked on things to make them “unique” in her stories, I don’t think she did! I think she tacked on things to make the story more believable and modern and to make the story be able to take place.. because if she hadn’t “tacked on” their glimmering in the sunshine.. the entire events in the book couldn’t really have happened, what with Bella and the other mortals being curled up in bed asleep.. if you get me? I hear what you’re saying about the progression being so abrupt, but technically it wasn’t. the progression WAS abrupt in the book, but Stephanie Meyer referred a lot to the past of the vampires and how they weren’t always this civilised and still many aren’t.. she did cater to the steady progression in her descriptions of the vampires legacy and past. So while the progression is abrupt for those of us who have only ever read and watched the “typical” vampire culture, she did cater to this “flaw” in her novel? .. “The love story in Twilight as I said just shows me the girl has no idea who she loves and is destroying both of their lives, no matter how it ended. She still ruined their lives needlessly. If she truly loved either one she would not have put them through the ringer like that.” ? I don’t really grasp what you mean here. In terms of the whole Transylvania, precious metals thing.. I quite obviously cannot answer for Stephanie Meyer, but to add something like that into the book, I would have found it tedious, pointless and utterly trivial! When a book like that is read, it isn’t common practice to analyse every little detail like that, despite the fact that we are. But I think it’s safe to say we are a minority for sure! .. information like that could have been well researched by Ms. Meyer, and gave her the idea for the shimmering skin, allowing her to make that altercation without it being entirely fictional in relation to other Vampire stories.. just because she didn’t add it into the book, doesn’t prove she didn’t know it. I just think there would have been no justification in entering that somewhere, and I cannot even see where she would add it, into the novel. Also.. she has based a Vampire “headquarter” around Italy.. whereas Transylvania is in Romania.. so it probably would have greatly confused matters about the origins? The end.. haha! I think I’ve covered everything you’ve said in your discussion in my first comment, and in your comment in my second comment lol!

No worries I just thought you got tired of the discussion LOL. As far as Bella not doing that, sure she does. Even if it is just because she felt alone initially because of Edward leaving, it still gave rise to the thought in Jacob's mind that he really did mean that much to her. Granted it does happen in the real world for sure, but it still isn't realistic. What I mean by that is she continues trying to figure out who she loves even though she knows she loves Edward yet keeps stringing Jacob along. Even in the real world a girl will tell the other guy a lot quicker than Bella did in the novels. Even though through this she uses Jacob as a pawn to make Edward want to stay even more which once again is not love. I will give you that they probably already know most of it anyway and yes it wasn't really explicit but it is very much alluded too much more then need be. I agree teeny boppers is because of Edward. As far as Goosebumps the age group for that to me has always been 8 to 12 because that was how old I was in school reading them.

Well thank you for the comment. First off to me this is the whole point of discussions, to get reactions so that people will make a worth while argument for their side of it. Very well done. As far as me seeing the movies yes and as far as the books every last one of them I have read. That may be part of the reason I am so angry with it though. I have also read The Host written by her and it makes The whole Twilight series feel like elementary school writing. I also understand that The Host came out somewhere in the middle of the Twilight saga, but to me that would mean the rest following her writing of The Host would have been as good if not better than that book, but they are not. I also very much appreciate The Host because it does show she can truly do originality. She made original creatures in that novel that of course had similarities to other known ones but they were her own, whereas the vampires in Twilight have a tacked on difference that makes them "unique" I don't buy that for a second, that was laziness. If not laziness then it was just the simple fact that she wanted to cash in on a general knowledge of vampires which shows lack of passion in your craft to me. I agree that progression can and should happen, otherwise things do get stale. On that same note an abrupt progression can just be infuriating. The love story in Twilight as I said just shows me the girl has no idea who she loves and is destroying both of their lives, no matter how it ended. She still ruined their lives needlessly. If she truly loved either one she would not have put them through the ringer like that, Now one final note I will say is that if she had stated or had in the novels that Edward and his family were truly from Transylvania, then I could have let the sparkling slide. I say that because in the early and middle ages it is believed that the water in that area was very phosphorous and when people bathed it would leave remnants of precious metals and rocks on their skin. But with knowing that also shows me that she did no research for her novels either truly. And as far as being so mad at me, ya know it won't last so it's all good ;)

awwww thanks!! shaggy we should start a major debating team here on mylot haha!! you need to comment more on my discussions then ;) haha! :)

Thank you for your response. I'm glad you found enjoyment in reading the discussion thread as well. Thank you for giving your reasons for enjoying the saga as well as stating the books more so than the movies, that really does make a world of difference. I totally agree about the pregnancy thing LOL.

The pregnancy thing was a stupid idea. You're welcome. Hopefully there will be more discussions like this on topics I'm interested on. I'll watch out for your next posts. =)

I like how well you went into you explanation. Thank you very much. It gives me something to respond to :). The way you put the problems with the romance is very true as well. I never thought to describe it that way but totally agree. I will also give that Jacob was definitely much more thought out and defined, so much more than a one dimensional character honestly.

Well, your original discussion, as well as some of the posts following it, were well-written and detailed, too--that makes it so much easier to respond in kind! Had the Twilight saga been targeted at adults, or even older kids, I probably would not have felt that way (after all, I read Lolita in college as part of an assigned curriculum). But the fact that Twilight is geared towards pre-teens is what gave me pause when reading it. Kids that age are so easily influenced--and scarred--that I think parents should think twice about letting younger children read these books or watch these movies.

Yeah, I have the book too. I may just read the book over again... actually Eclipse is the one I think i want to read over again... I have all 3 of them.. there are 2 more out I want to read when I get paid. Breaking Dawn, and The Host.

I just looked up on Amazon for these books and found them at great prices... I'll order from there when I get paid. They are cheaper than trying to buy them in the store.

Yeah,i love the Twilight sooooooooooo Much.I have watched the movie for 57 times. What's more i have read the book too.Support!!!!!

hahahah I feel that way about J Lo too, just sayin. As far as what you said, that is kind of my point. If the story had been her own creations or something with the love story I might have been able to buy into it a little more. Thank you for your comment, I hope you have a good day.

See I can understand the initial appeal of the love story aspect. I actually love a good love story. This one is not a good love story though to me, for the exact reasons you mention. She keeps flip=flopping on who she loves. All that tells me is that she doesn't love either one of them at all simply the idea of them. With that being the case it wastes my time because it is a story with if nothing less a convoluted and dishonest ending. I will say I have read the books so that I could see if they improved and they did not. I will also say the movies are good to sit and watch with your significant other because the battles between the werewolves and vampires are at least well done. However it is still a time waster and I have never felt that way about books especially.

It is fiction and in general I love fiction. However with this series I feel very strongly that she doesn't show a wide range of imagination as much as she shows how lazy she is to not at least make a totally new creature herself with these features as opposed to using the cheap way of saying they are vampires and whatnot. Thank you for your comment and your views on this subject. I really appreciate your input into this discussion.

I had to think for a little bit to respond back to you honestly. It threw me off that your daughter was disappointed LOL. Did she also read the books and is just upset it didn't follow them as closely as it should have? As far as it being so special, you are right not so much at all. Thank your for your response.