Christians Keep Denying The Fact That The Bible is Sexists!
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@IntrovertShy (2780)
Marikina, Philippines
August 25, 2011 6:02pm CST
I am just wondering of why most people keep thinking that the bible is not a sexists, while in fact there are lots of verse in the bible that proves that women are inferior to men? -- if it was taken literally, the interpretation of the bible would be women were inferior to men. I know they still hold on to the literal interpretation written in the bible.
I can give some of the bible verse about women that says they are inferior to men. Why they keep on denying? Why most Christians cannot see of what is truly written in the bible starts from Genesis? If it was true that men and women were equal, then where do DOUBLE STANDARD MENTALITY came from? -- isn't it obvious, that the DOUBLE STANDARD MENTALITY came from the bible? Still in the reality, in our society -- DOUBLE STANDARD MENTALITY are rampant in some other parts of the country and of course, Philippines also included in the DOUBLE STANDARD MENTALITY view between men and women and its still on going. I do not know when it will stop. It became a 'social norm'.
...or maybe, they denied it because all of us must believe in God because if we knew that the bible is sexists then, we would think that God is not perfect so, what we should do? Of course, we had to deny that the bible is not sexists so that we could believe in God, isn't it?
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@bird123 (10643)
• United States
26 Aug 11
Good discussion. I think people of religion seem to ignore some parts in favor of the one's they like. Still, I can't count how many times people have told me that the bible is the word of God. Doesn't that make God sexist??? Of course, God is not sexist. Mankind is generating all of that. Still, slowly but surely mankind crawls out of that misguided thinking. I guess some men fear they are giving up control of some sort. Reality is that society and people in general will be so much better when we allow freedom and equality for all. It is a lesson that seems to be taking too much time for people to learn. We must point them in the right direction. We are all spiritual beings in our true natures. Gender is a parameter of this physical world. Without out physical bodies, gender is no longer important. We are all equal in God's eyes.
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@grandpa_lash (5225)
• Australia
26 Aug 11
With the exception of the neo-pagan religions, which were all created by modern thinkers, every religion still existing is sexist. All of them developed during the era of male supremacy, and all reflect it. All have scriptural writings to this effect, even Buddhism.
Today we have modern thinkers who become 'liberal' if they follow religion at all. but there are still large elements within all religions, sometimes the majority element, which cling to the attitudes of their ancestors. This is particulalry so of the conservative, traditionalist, and fundamentalist branches of the religions.
Some are worse than others: Catholicism is a farce in this respect; large elements of particulalry Arab-based Islam are horrendously so; Mahayana Buddhism, especially in Sri Lanka; Sikkism; and I could go on through various Jewish, Hindu, and American evangelical sects.
And despite the modern era and the efforts of feminism, our societies still reflect the religious view, if only unconsciously, and the number of supposedly 'devout' politicians in the US and, heavens help us, Australia, terrifies me.
Lash
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@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
26 Aug 11
The Bible reflects the societal trends of the time it was written. The society that authored it was patriarchal, therefore women were commonly viewed as inferior to men. It only makes sense that they recorded this idea in their writings.
Times change, however, so I'm not sure why sexism in the Bible is important to anyone. Patriarchal societies are common throughout history and are still in effect right now. What happened thousands of years ago is less disconcerting than what's happening currently.
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@IntrovertShy (2780)
• Marikina, Philippines
26 Aug 11
Ooohhh... I was so discourage about how society works out between men and women. Well, I have seen some religion like Wiccan [I know it is a Pagan] that women were treat equal to men. I think, almost all Paganism taught that men and women were equal until Christian came. All were change into laws that the women must be subservient to men -- much worst the DOUBLE STANDARD MENTALITY view still exists -- and one of the situation that were included is the "virginity" of a women! Women were expected to be "virgin" while men were not! Isn't it unfair?! Oh yes! I was so much offended of how the society works in real life situation.
Men expected women to be "virgin" after they were got married and the women wore for the wedding is the symbol of white that stands for purity! -- while the society does not care about men at all of what does dress clothes mean for them. Isn't it unfair?
Another is women -- those traditionalists and conservative virgin women were so high respected to themselves and were happy that their "virginity" were be given to their first marriage, but did we ask ourselves that if those men were also a virgin?! Women would not care at all because men do not have "virginity" [technically speaking, a "hymen" that attach to them.] Isn't it unfair?
I think, women -- especially traditionalists and conservative denied themselves that they were been suppressed too, but they just accepted it because they were taught since child that its very unethical and imoral to lose a "virginity" -- and they were taught that women should give this to their first marriage! -- but did we ask ourselves that if women have something to give to their husbands [technically speaking, a "hymen"] -- do men have something to give a women proving that he, too, is also pure, clean and virgin?
Isn't it unfair?
I was so discourage. Where is the social justice here, huh? Oh my gosh.
@jazzsue58 (2666)
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26 Aug 11
I'm not particularly religious, but one thing I remember from school RE lessons was discussing how the bible reflected the attitude of the time. If you read carefully (both the New and the Old Testament) you will see that women were actually very respected.
There are "power women" in the bible - (look at the story of Ruth and Naomi, and as for Salome in the NT - wow, Lucretia Borgia eat your heart out!). In the NT women are allowed to show their outrageous side in all sorts of ways. I remember the teacher getting quite a debate going about what the normal reaction would have been to a woman annointing an unknown man's feet with oil!
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@IntrovertShy (2780)
• Marikina, Philippines
26 Aug 11
The "power women" -- well -- I think, I have quite read about the story of Ruth and Naomi. There is a book about "women" in the bible -- yes, I know them. I seen this book at my mother's room, but still I was not convince of what I read -- ha ha ha ha -- the reason is how could I convince myself if in real life situation, there is still men out there who had these DOUBLE STANDARD MENTALITY over women? -- and our situations from the past is much different during the time when women and men were equal. Women were not discriminated if she's no longer a virgin unlike for the present days, social evolve, there were still men were looking a virgin women and discriminated women if they were not virgin anymore. Not all of them, but most of them. I seen it as reflects of what men believed in the bible and it is very, very, very obvious...
There are lots of factors which I see and observe that there's something wrong with our society and its very obvious that it refects on what they believe in the bible... I'm not assuming, well, its very obvious.
@carmelanirel (20942)
• United States
26 Aug 11
What do you mean sexist and against women? There were powerful women from Debra who lead an army to another women's name I can't remember who was used to kill the enemy..(Actually, I think that is the same story, two women who were leaders)
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@carmelanirel (20942)
• United States
26 Aug 11
Really? I am female and I am more free than my husband is..So there..
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@grandpa_lash (5225)
• Australia
26 Aug 11
Are you suggesting that the rare (very rare) exception proves the rule? Because, to anyone approaching this subject objectively, the burden of proof for sexism in Christianity is overwhelming. These female apologies for their religion, be it Christianity or Islam or any other, is the freedom that makes slaves of them all.
Lash
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@allyoftherain (7208)
• United States
26 Aug 11
Aren't exceptions the point that proves the sexism rule moot? You can't make a general statement of the Bible being sexist and then keep allotting for exceptions. At that point it ceases to be a general statement.
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@Frederick42 (2024)
• Canada
26 Aug 11
Many other things in the Bible are also denied. It is necessary to deny them or to be given totally different meanings. Otherwise, who will believe in the Bible?
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@way2vision (613)
• Canada
26 Aug 11
As some of the mylotter's earlier noted, the way the bible was written is reflected on how people were perceived at that time. Throughout the history of human civilization, women had specific roles that viewed them as inferior to men. But I will state, in history though you might view women as inferior to men as men were allowed to leave the house. It was just a way of protecting women as women were very important for repopulating.
But of course, as civilization grew, ideology between genders began to change. There are civilizations that showed men are greater, there are even some that from the beginning viewed women as equals.
In one of my anthropology courses, an argument stated that the reasons why there is a different viewpoint between genders was because of language. Supposedly language determines culture. For example, the use of "he" or "she" in language identifies women and men as different beings. But in cultures where there are no "he" or "she" lets say, "bhe" men and women would be viewed as equal.
Furthermore, the idea of sexism only developed once male and female started becoming equal in modern society. Or rather, as women began the movement of women's right. If it was 200 years ago, you would not be able to create an argument that the bible is sexist. As it was naturally accepted that women were inferior to men, in a way, not directly, but in a way. As men were physically more able to things, which was an ability important to civilization development.
Therefore the bible was written in a way that was accepted. If it were written in a way that showed male and female as equal, the overpowering men society in history would not accept it psychologically EVEN if it were God's words.
But generally I am saying, men and women are viewed equal NOW (well in most places). But in the past they were not. Today if men and women are not equal, you cannot argue that the bible is sexist, because the idea of "sexism" cannot exist or would not exist. The only reason you can is you rights as women.
But perhaps it is sexist, the reason people may have for arguing it is not is because people do not want to offend women. The argument is, if it is sexist, what is your point, what will you do about it. If people accept that it isn't sexist, I would assume that they are trying to state that men and women are equal, and that the use of the word man in the bible can be defined as humanity.
@rogue13xmen13 (14402)
• United States
26 Aug 11
Read the Bible several times, and anyone can see how sexist it really is. Women in the Bible are played out to be inferior to men, and everything is a Double Standard. Men can have multiple wives, and women cannot have multiple husbands. Men do not always have to cover up, but women have to always cover up. Women have to always obey men and obey rules, men are allowed to break a few rules if they need to. Women really do get treated like second class citizens.
Oh, Genesis is a huge example of sexism in the Bible. The most famous example of it because it's played out in a way where it really makes women look like the bad gender. Women are blamed for everything. Women are seen as the downfall of humanity. I don't see how this is possible because we are the ones who give life, we are the ones who are lovers and nurturers, and we are the ones who pretty much keep the family together and keep societies going.
In Native American cultures, women used to run everything. Women used to rule. What happened? The Christians came and force the women to give up their status. Matriarchies. Yes, these used to exist, and still do in some places, and many women are bringing them back.
I am taking U.S. Women's History right now, and some people have no idea how much women have really contributed to society, and how much we have changed the world.
I am not a Christian, and I haven't been for four years or more, then again, I don't think that I have ever been a Christian at heart because I can in no good conscience follow a book that demeans women and that preaches beliefs that most people can never seem to follow. A book that has killed several people and destroyed so many societies and cultures.
@IntrovertShy (2780)
• Marikina, Philippines
27 Aug 11
Me too, I also hate those bible verse in the Genesis about the role of a woman in there, and the women that always cover up is I seen it at some part of Islam country.
Did you know that I have also read on the internet about one woman who got raped in the Islam country was put in jail even she was been raped by men? -- I think, five men. She was blamed for being with five men that result as a rape! No one complained because its their social norm and the women in that country were cover up so that even men would not see their skin that consider them as evil.
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@_sketch_ (5742)
• United States
26 Aug 11
I have noticed this as well and I guess that they don't realize it because they feel that women are inferior. I remember last election in the States a woman ran as president and it was women who were telling me that they wouldn't want a woman as president. It's a strange world we live in. Gender roles have been deeply seeded into society. Yes the Bible is extremely sexist and of course that makes no sense, but it's easy to ignore information that we don't want to hear.
@blue65packer (11826)
• United States
26 Aug 11
Some people toldly believe everything is in the Bible! They think is all true and we all should believe the written word! So many Christians wear blinkers! They refuse to except things have changed since the bible was written! It was written erons ago and I believe alot of the old Testament is just good stories. Most of the stories aren't true at all or are true stories that have been exaggerated! With the New Testament is true. At least this is whay I believe. This is my opinion. Some people need to open their eyes with the bible! Plain and simple!
@toniobacasno (233)
• Philippines
29 Aug 11
I have read the whole Bible twice, and I haven't noticed it to be s-exist (and I am not one who is formally educated in the Bible). This matter is just too fiddle. What I read instead are numerous instances of women being used by God to do His will on earth, not just men. Anyway, how do you define s-exism? I've read that S-EXISM is defined as discrimination or devaluation based on a person's s-ex. So, how did the Bible discriminated or devalued women? Because the Bible said women are weaker than men. In reality, is women physically weaker than men? Because men can have many wives but then women cannot have more than one husband? Please read Deutoronomy 17:16.
@IntrovertShy (2780)
• Marikina, Philippines
30 Aug 11
...and another is, [another proof] -- those traditionalists and conservative men were afraid obviously to those women who were not virgin anymore and that's why they chose a virgin women! Isn't it obvious??!! Why they were so afraid??!! It's because those women who were not virgin is a threat to them -- they perceived women as EVIL and promicuous! How could those traditionalists and consevative men discriminate and judge those women who were not virgin anymore, but they didn't even judge men who were not virgin??!! They didn't even know what happened to those women, but still they keep on judging??!! Where those beliefs came from? Obviously, it also came from the bible. Don't be blind. You know this even in our country, Philippines -- the DOUBLE STANDARD MENTALITY still exists today.
...and observed of what we had here in our country, Philippines -- most men were looking for a virgin women even if men were not virgin anymore -- what the -- sheeeeesshhhh.......
Where those beliefs came from? Even if men can be a virgin, ha! -- we still can't prove if that guy is a virgin or not because they don't have "virginity" -- technically speaking, a "hymen" that attach to them... sheesssh......
@IntrovertShy (2780)
• Marikina, Philippines
7 Mar 13
Never mind. I already accepted that men are superior to men.
@toniobacasno (233)
• Philippines
30 Aug 11
For one, Christian and Islam is so much different. They have nothing alike. So you really cannot make a comparison between them. But that is not the issue here. The issue that we're talking about here is about the supposed "sexism" of the Bible. Certainly, one would find a lot of supposed "contradictions" in the Bible. I also ask myself, how come? Then, if you will study harder, there is a story between those "contradictions". The Bible is one whole story, every book in it is connected to each other, reflecting the plan of God for mankind. That is why I am asking you, where exactly does it teach in the Bible to devalue or degrade women. I think, if we could pinpoint our exact discussion, then maybe if would be both fruitful for the both of us, in terms of knowledge. But if we keep putting this or that in the discussion, which has no relation, then we would just end up in a word war, isn't it?