what if ETs showed up?
By reject
@reject (95)
Philippines
September 8, 2011 8:26pm CST
Different religions on earth hardly get along. The most horrific atrocities in history have religious overtones.
What if ETs a billion years ahead of us decide to come out and say they have proof that none of our religions got it right? What then?
I also would like to share some UFO video clips that may be related:
http://tinyurl.com/m11-day-ufo
http://tinyurl.com/ufo-pump
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9 responses
@andy77e (5156)
• United States
10 Sep 11
Well there is no ET. So the question is mute.
But if we zoom off to fantasy land, and believe in the mythic ET fairy, then.... I'd have to consider my views when ET showed up.
But since he doesn't exist, there's no reason to consider it until the non-existent ET shows himself.
@reject (95)
• Philippines
10 Sep 11
so sure, are you?
you know, there are animals that people believed for the longest time were extinct; just purported sightings, until they showed up.
how much more beings vastly more intelligent than us, willfully being evasive for now, be difficult to find?
"until," then what?
@andy77e (5156)
• United States
10 Sep 11
Sure. What *if* the moon is really made of cheese, then we'll send the french to harvest it. Oh but we have moon rocks! But what if the surface of the moon is covered with rocks because of the thousands of years it collected dust and meteorites? What *if* under it is a big ball of cheese? What *if* the sun explodes, that would be bad. What *if* there's a giant invisible turtle that is hold up the earth, and it falls over, and hurls us into the sun?
There is no more logic, and evidence, and rational thought behind those insane questions, than what if ET shows up. None whatsoever. You want to debate rational empirical evidence, then let's do it. Show me ALL the evidence for ET.
But if you want to debate random myths, fine. I'd likely ask ET if he knows the LORD God of the universe. That's my mythic answer to your mythic question.
I have to admit, it's rather humorous to see the crowd who accuses Theists of believing in myths with no evidence, go around asking what we'd do if ET shows up.
If we're going to work off of 'what if's, then I have a question for you...
When Jesus Christ returns, as is foretold, what are you going to say to him?
And if you reject that question, explain why a question about ET is more valid.
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@andy77e (5156)
• United States
11 Sep 11
I get the meaning, yes. But you are right, I do lack imagination, especially for things I know the answer to.
Imagination is for things that you don't know the answer to. If we didn't understand math, and someone asked us to multiply 5 x 8, then we would likely hypothesize on what that answer might be. But once we understand math, who then uses imagination to consider the answer to 5 x 8? Of course the answer is no one does.
Similarly, life on another planet is not scientifically, or mathematically feasible. The answer to the question is known by those who understand the science behind life, such as myself. Not that I have it all figured out. I have merely learned from others, and searched the evidence. The evidence is clear, and there is no possible way for life to arise without God causing it to happen. Therefore, there is no ET.
But people would rather ignore science, and believe in impossibilities, and create myths for us to debate.
Ironically this is foretold. In 2 Timothy 4, it says:
"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but having itching ears, they shall heap to themselves teachers in accordance with their own lusts. And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned toward fables."
And here we are as a country discussing fables. So you are right, I just don't have 'imagination' to spend on these 'what ifs' since they are not going to happen anyway.
I find your questions interesting because God wrote a book which answers each one, with the possible exception of "why did you do it this way". At the same time, I also see why you have not gotten those answers yet. God never answers people who will only accept him if he answers the way they predetermine he must.
I wager God will not give you the answers you seek until you are actually willing to accept that He alone has the right and authority to determine what he does, and not you. I wonder if you'll ever reach that point.
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@Zlokotloprk (13)
• Bosnia And Herzegovina
9 Sep 11
I believe that we shouldn't understand literary any of religious books.
They are books that teach you good moral, and teach you how you should live.
And if they showed up and told us that there is no God, I have to say I would be disappointed.
And every religion in the world would just say that those are lies.
Faith is magnificent thing, it is probably most powerful thing in the world.
@reject (95)
• Philippines
10 Sep 11
that's why its being exploited...
even criminals keep invoking "god" to come off as trustworthy; be wary of people who do.
why does being moral or ethical have to be because of an invisible Big Brother?
Its been said beauty is its own excuse for being, right? Why can't morality or ethics?
@reject (95)
• Philippines
12 Sep 11
I used to be a rabid bible thumper but I did notice some of the words there seemed to have been written "under the influence" or, at the very least, in a fit of crazed anger.
They gave me pause but then my christian sensibilities and upbringing would kick in and accept and not question "god."
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
9 Sep 11
Why should I believe anyone when God has already made it clear to me that He does exist?
@reject (95)
• Philippines
10 Sep 11
Does it make you feel like you're earning brownie points with your "god" by saying that?
Other religions make the same claim while at the same time believe your religion is an abomination to their one true "god" and you'll end up being punished for it.
Chances are, you have that same belief in common with them.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
10 Sep 11
Does it make you feel like you're earning brownie points with your ego to be so condescending?
My beliefs aren't based on what other people believe, or think I should believe.
@Pose123 (21635)
• Canada
9 Sep 11
Hi reject, I can assure you fundamentalists in all religions would refuse to accept it. They have all been brainwashed and will only believe what their holy book tells them. Of course none of the present day religions will last forever. Remember that Christianity today is nothing like it was five hundred years ago and Jesus Christ himself would not recognize the church today or want anything to do with most of it's teachings. Blessings.
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
9 Sep 11
You'll get a whole lot of what the first responder wrote.
I'm sure religious faithful would refuse to budge on their beliefs for their own reasons.
Religion transcends logic and reason. It's more of a birthright for some, a way of life for others, and more of a "feeling" than anything tangible.
An alien could show up tomorrow with irrefutable proof that their advanced species took chimp DNA and mixed it with alien DNA to create early modern man. They could have this evidence thoroughly documented and present it to the world.
The response of the religious faithful would probably be along the lines of, "God works in mysterious ways" or "this is just another trick from the devil" or something else that would be merely a refusal to entertain anything other than their way of life.
It's a lot to ask someone, to give up what they believe in. After all, it takes a lot to put actual faith in something. And when you put it on that level, there is no such thing as "proof" in another direction.
Ironically, this has a lot to do with the adult mind. Children quickly reconcile that a fat man in a red suit isn't really delivering presents through a chimney once they begin to view the situation logically. Adults are much more stubborn in what they hold as truth.
On just a whimsical note: The presence of alien life anywhere pretty much stamps out completely all religious principles and practices. And that day will eventually come. It is not even loosely conceivable that life doesn't exist outside of our planet. In fact, we have already found life outside of our planet, just not intelligent life.
But I don't begrudge anyone for believing what they believe. As long as it causes me no harm, I couldn't care less beyond shooting a quick opinion on myLot.
I just have a feeling that if ET ever does come to Earth, it isn't going to be to tell people we've got it wrong. Odds are good that they'll want our planet.
Then it's on like Donkey Kong!
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
10 Sep 11
Well, in your scenario, an extraterrestrial being(s) is coming to Earth to set right our ways.
My question: Why?
What do aliens want if they come here and not only make their presence known but reveal their wisdom?
I'm not sure someone travels for light years for a friendly visit. A star-hopping species still lives around a star, not in a ship like Borg. We should be incredibly weary and question an alien's motives.
@reject (95)
• Philippines
10 Sep 11
Want our planet? A star hopping species most probably can provide for themselves without encroaching on others' territory.
Even the human species has started to become mindful of its wanton destruction of nature. Maybe this is not unique to us? I just hope its not too little too late.
@flowerchilde (12529)
• United States
12 Sep 11
Popular sentiment these days likes to say or imply that most wars are because of religion but it's not religion it's human nature.. not this group or that group, but all groups, and it's the blame game that truly causes wars.. Even the catholic/protestant wars were political not religious, they were old disputes of those peoples simply in new garb.. and one that did not resemble true christianity.. about other religions I do not know except of course the extremists that carry out terror tactics and that's not religions so much as a specific one.. and others should not be lumped with them if they do not practice such things..
Religion, like almost anything popular has been used by unscrupulous ones for power.. but to use a religion for politics or power is not the same as the religion causing dispute/war, etc..
@cecil04 (409)
• South Africa
9 Sep 11
I doubt that really intellectual being would try to force their beliefs on us. The first thing they would do is to sturdy us human if they haven't been doing so already. What's the point of telling creatures that are less intelligent than you that there is no God, it's like talking to a carrot and expecting it to talk back. There is no doubt about it if ETs came to earth it would be for one thing, resources.