Computer-Generated Content Is Making Good Progress
By NoWayRo
@NoWayRo (1061)
Romania
September 13, 2011 5:28am CST
Just wanted to share with you guys and gals a piece that caught my eye in the NY Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/11/business/computer-generated-articles-are-gaining-traction.html?_r=3&pagewanted=all
(not an affiliate link, though, again, I wish it were)
I'm not a fan of computer-generated content, I've had my fair share of hideous experiences with machine translation, and I never want to see that again. But it seems this new company is able to produce readable, original articles, that are good enough for the printed media. Of course, it's only based on a previously determined set of data, which I assume remains in the same format - but still.
Anyway, at $10 for 500 words they are not yet competitive for sites like oDesk and Freelancer, they expect you to work for $.30 there
So, do you think computers will take over web content in the near future? (I'm not talking about editorial columns or academic papers, of course).
Do you think they'll replace us completely and we'll just be standing around the pool drinking tequila all day long?
Love to hear your thoughts on this.
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4 responses
@Bluedoll (16773)
• Canada
13 Sep 11
Well my thoughts are it is that computers can be programmed to do things better than people can in certain applications. They do fall down in some tasks but are improving as they evolve. As for standing around drinking tequila, I will never do that again because of the way it becomes like drinking water but costs much more. Then, everything starts spinning around rapidly like information flowing over the internet. We are teaching computers to communicate more and more. I suspect how we use them will determine our fate.
@NoWayRo (1061)
• Romania
13 Sep 11
You're right Bluedoll, computers communicate with each other far better than humans do among themselves - who knows where this is going?
As for tequila - well, given the problems with water supply all over the world, and since it's so often unsafe to drink, we may live to see tequila becoming cheaper than water. I think we should start practicing now, to be ready for that moment
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@topffer (42156)
• France
13 Sep 11
For what I know the project began 2 years ago at Northwestern U, with Stats Monkey, a software able to write an article about a baseball game by analyzing the score : http://infolab.northwestern.edu/projects/stats-monkey/
6 million dollars later the software seems able to write a good sport article. If you think about it, any sport has fixed rules, the name of each athlete/player is known, etc. Each sport is a very limited domain, intellectually speaking : nothing looks more at a football article than another football article. With the help of experts and journalists specialized in every sport such a software is possible, but it is a niche and not something that you can generalize to every domain now. Like you said machine translation does not produce a good result, but we have to admit that the result is slightly better every year. After sport journalists, the translators will be probably the next victims of computers in a few year. To achieve it, software will have better parsers and text analysis ; at this level writing tasks will be threatened. Today this NYT article is a sleight of hand.
@topffer (42156)
• France
13 Sep 11
We are not speaking of large articles, but of small news releases which are "a dry summary". They developed the software first thinking that there was 160000 scholar baseball matches every week not covered by witty journalists but interesting millions of Americans. A sport news release uses a limited vocabulary : basically this software is a database of "journalistic" phrases able to convert in a text a spreadsheet of events occurred during a given match.
@NoWayRo (1061)
• Romania
13 Sep 11
But what if I really want to read a detailed account of the game between the Happy Morning Stars and the New Sour Cherries (those are actual football teams, by the way, both from towns with less than 10,000 inhabitants), because my cousin plays for one of those teams? How can my aunt bribe the computer to put her son's name into the article, so that a scout may hear about him and get him a contract with a team that doesn't have such a stupid name? What are we doing to the human factor?
(As I'm sure you've figured out, I have nothing against the computers producing financial and stock exchange articles. They can write economy all they want. Just keep them out of the sports page.)
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@NoWayRo (1061)
• Romania
13 Sep 11
Nooooo
I love football articles. British journalists really create some masterpieces, they're funny, witty, and much more than just a dry summary of the game. Also those published on the UEFA site, they're really good, I don't want those replaced by computer-generated content.
I agree with you that translators will be among the first victims - all nice and clear content will be translated by computers, and we'll be left doing stupid legal documents - because it takes a human to understand what another screwed up human meant in a 30,000-words sentence.
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@SpikeTheLobster (6403)
•
13 Sep 11
Interesting. As Topffer noted above, sports is a very specific niche and (on top of the millions in dvelopment) the company had to spend months training the software - it sounds more like a bigger "put the pieces together and drop in the data" machine than the cheaper ones, at this point.
I don't see why computers shouldn't write almost as well as people some day. They'll still need people to create the data, analysis and points of view (until we reach true AI) though. It's a neat toy and a great step forward for this particular technology but it's still a LONG way from mimicking a human in flexibility, critical analysis, personality, variations of style and almost every other part of writing.
And by the way, $10 an article for 500 words as a professional journalist (note the word "professional") is extremely low. Pro journalists would want several hundred dollars for that at current rates (unless it's just transcription and stuff).
@NoWayRo (1061)
• Romania
13 Sep 11
My problem is that I only read the sports page in a newspaper I don't want that done by computers, I can just as well read the results on livescore
I was thinking, if we ever reach true AI, wouldn't the computers get bored with doing the same stuff over and over again? I mean, I can't picture that kind of output without creativity, and once you get creative, you also get bored with repetitive stuff. Maybe instead of turning them off, we'll have to give them a break to write poetry for 8 hours a day, for their own entertainment purposes.
@bingskee (5234)
• Philippines
13 Sep 11
i don't believe they will. if it would be possible for them to evolve without the human beings, then maybe, but that is not the case. the brains of these computers are the human beings. they dont exist if we are not existent.
as to doing nothing and letting the computers do everything, that would be a very boring life.
@NoWayRo (1061)
• Romania
16 Sep 11
Bluedoll, I can picture a discussion between two answering machines over a tequila shot:
"I can't even begin to tell you what a day I've had. I've been trying to contact some leads, and make some sales - but everywhere I phoned, there were only humans. These guys don't know what they want! One more day like that and my boss will turn me into scrap metal!"
"I hear ya. I called tech support today, and I was put through to a human. Took me so long to explain what my problem was... these humans are so slow. So, another shot, or shall we go dancing?"
@Bluedoll (16773)
• Canada
15 Sep 11
Well maybe it is rather boring low tech but my answer machine gets calls from another machine asking it if it wants to know about the offer it has. If I can figure out how to get my machine to call the other machine and leave a message on it, maybe my machine can ask it if it wants to go out for a drink to discuss it however if my machine gets into a habit of doing this, who do I call? Is there a number for computer AA?.. or did you mean the tequila was for us?