debate on the senate in “tagalog” ?
@SIMPLYD (90721)
Philippines
September 21, 2011 10:06pm CST
It was recently on TV, that Lito Lapid, requested that the debate on RH Bill, could also be in Tagalog, since he is not so adept in speaking English.
For me, why not? We are Filipinos and we should speak in our own language. In addition, if the debate could also be in Tagalog aside from English , everybody , including the illiterate citizens can fully understand it.
However, since other usual English terms are difficult to translate into Tagalog, then it could be of Taglish (or Tagalog-English).
What’s your opinion guys?
23 responses
@modeofevasion (86)
• Philippines
22 Sep 11
I would like to comment though that our national language is Filipino, not Tagalog. In pratice, they are similar, but Filipino has Foreign words imbedded in it (for example, bintana for window is Filipino, but durungawan is the Tagalog term for it).
Like everybody else who responded, I also think it fitting to debate in Filipino, and I commend Mr. Lapid for admitting that he can't follow some part of the discussion in English. However, I don't see the need for requesting everyone to speak in Filipino. I believe a senator has a freedom to choose the language to use in his speech, English was never mandatory.
@SIMPLYD (90721)
• Philippines
22 Sep 11
Thanks for explaining the difference between saying Filipino and Tagalog. Now, i know .
Like you said, Lito Lapid is really commendable for being honest about his not being able to speak English so well. Among the senators, i think of him as the most "real".
Sometimes, though i am wondering why the Senators are always speaking English, though they are all Filipinos. Could it be that some are showing off their ability to speak English ?
@modeofevasion (86)
• Philippines
22 Sep 11
I wonder about that too, often. Anybody for that matter would suddenly speak English, dig out their deeply-buried high-falluting words (see, I just did) when faced with a heated discussion. It's as if they draw out power, authority and/or intelligence when they do so~ But I wouldn't take it against our Senators, though. A lot of them have had their post-grad education abroad, which made them more comfortable expressing their thoughts in an internal language such as English.
@mantis36 (4219)
• Philippines
22 Sep 11
true that debate should be in "Tagalog" dialect because there is no reason for us to speak it in English Languages....
We have to show to ourselves and to the whole world that we Filipinos are truly an Independent Country...
and not dependent on the foreign English country by learning their Native English Languages...
Everytime that the Foreigner visit our country, those gabriela doesn't want to allow Foreign Visitors, therefore, we should not allow to speak their native language also...
it is like sending them away to us, while grabbing their native English languages and never give attention our very own native Tagalog language...
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@SIMPLYD (90721)
• Philippines
23 Sep 11
Speaking English has to be done in an appropriate venue.
Since it is the RH Bill , which definitely involves the entire Filipinos, then it is but proper that the national language, Filipino, be used in the debate. But of course, if a senator finds it difficult to speak it because he is more into English, then he can very well do so.
@SIMPLYD (90721)
• Philippines
23 Sep 11
It would be really fun to hear Miriam speak in Filipino. Like she said, she knows how to speak it , but then she will sound ridiculous speaking it with her kind of accent.
@mantis36 (4219)
• Philippines
23 Sep 11
correct!!!
and i have a feeling that the senator wanted to debate it in English Language because she has the advantage that his/her opponent who also knows how to reply (set already in their mind) but hard to project in mouth words if English Language is concern... hehehe
if it is done in Tagalog Language, i think plenty of senators who are good debaters than Mirriam....
even me, i can easily write/type/text English sometimes with wrong grammar but it's hard for me to speak English Language it by mouth voices
@jazel_juan (15746)
• Philippines
23 Sep 11
Why not? It would be fun watching that, i am not that keen in tagalog but i know how to speak it but there are terms that are also deep for me to understand, it would be fun watching and i know i would end up asking my husband about it! hahaha Since he is from Luzon, he is a lot more keen in speaking Tagalog than me who is born and raised here in Mindanao. It would be fun fun fun
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@jazel_juan (15746)
• Philippines
23 Sep 11
i guess she will still be good at it.. i mean she is a perfectionist so i guess she will really strive to excel even speaking in Tagalog
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@SIMPLYD (90721)
• Philippines
23 Sep 11
Correct Jazel! I would really be fund hearing Miriam speak in Tagalog. I look forward to it , if ever.
@ybong007 (6643)
• Philippines
22 Sep 11
Tagalog, English or the combination of both are all acceptable. What's important is that both the pros and cons are able to express their opinions and ideas without being hindered by the language. It's also important that the people will be able to understand the debate since they are the ultimate recipients of bill.
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@SIMPLYD (90721)
• Philippines
22 Sep 11
Correct , Ybong, because after all, the RH bill is for the people's benefit !
Hurray, for Lito Lapid for suggesting that! Now, i can hear his side too on the RH Bill. But i guess, he's against it?
@ybong007 (6643)
• Philippines
22 Sep 11
I think he is against the RH bill since the main reason why he brought up that the debate be made in Filipino is because there's no way he can win against the likes of Senators Meriam Defensor-Santiago and Pia Cayetano who speaks more English than Tagalog. Well, even if the debate is in Tagalog, there's still no way can win against those two who are lawyers by profession. Taking out the english language from Miriam and Pia doesn't mean their wits go with it. While it doesn't mean also that when Senator Lito Lapid speaks in Tagalog he will suddenly transform into an eloquent speaker like Ninoy.
@SIMPLYD (90721)
• Philippines
22 Sep 11
Oh, just as i thought, he is really against RH bill.
Well, at least he will also be given a chance to say his reasons why he is against it. After all, it is a debate.
He must prepare well, because for sure Miriam and Pia will not take that sitting down.
@syoti20 (5292)
• Philippines
24 Sep 11
I don't see the essence of this debate why it must be in english or in tagalog. The only important I know on this part is " SETTLE THE DEBATE ASAP and settle the Pending concern on RH Bill ".
English Zone Policy should only be applied in Call Center not on this RH Bill concern. Do they need Interpreter in order to settle the RH bill concern. Its been ages
@SIMPLYD (90721)
• Philippines
24 Sep 11
My friend, the people should also know the pros and cons of the RH bill, that's why there's a debate.
But actually, you are right, the RH bill should have been by now, settled and approved.
@sophiecheer (931)
• Philippines
26 Sep 11
I think this is a terrific idea. I think this will encourage all common folk to participate in viewing these hearings.
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@SIMPLYD (90721)
• Philippines
27 Sep 11
Yes, and everybody will understand the RH bill well, its pros and cons.
@SIMPLYD (90721)
• Philippines
30 Sep 11
Correct. It has to reach the masses in the most understandable manner, because primarily it's for them and us.
@sophiecheer (931)
• Philippines
27 Sep 11
The debate-on RH bill most especially, ought to be communicated to the masses in the simplest manner as possible. As shown, overpopulation is mostly due to lack of literacy and poverty.
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@neildc (17239)
• Lapu-Lapu City, Philippines
23 Sep 11
i would also love to see that debate and any other deliberation in the senate, congress and even in our courts to be in either Tagalog or Taglish. i guess it is about time that we let the less fortunate people to learn this foreign language understand what our lawmakers and judges and other legal people are saying, so like me and senator lapid could have better understanding of what they are saying.
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@SIMPLYD (90721)
• Philippines
23 Sep 11
That's true. I have seen two or 3 trials in our place , fortunately they speak of the dialect , Bicol.
I am looking forward to that debate if they allow it in Filipino. I wish to hear Lito Lapid say his reasons.
@junmae (1586)
• Philippines
23 Sep 11
We are all Fipinos and living in the Philippines so there's nothing wrong using Tagalog while having debate in the senate. I just dont know why every time I watched news with regards to senate meeting, I always heard them talking and debating in English. I agree with you that Tagalog should be use so that all people in the Philippines will understand what they have in the meeting. Taglish could also be one of the option.
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@SIMPLYD (90721)
• Philippines
23 Sep 11
Yes, they should be give the option to speak in Filipino, English or Taglish. That way, everybody will have the chance to express and debate well.
@airasheila (5454)
• Philippines
22 Sep 11
Good day Simplyd,
With reference to your main topic discussion, having used of the Tagalog words in a senate debate is fine since we are here in the Philippines. Wherein, we should really used our own mother tongue so everybody will comprehend what is being discuss inside the senate. Although we cannot avoid the fact, that almost all of our politicians are using english words in every conversation that they are into.
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@SIMPLYD (90721)
• Philippines
23 Sep 11
Some politicians may be so used in speaking English, but they should also prove that they are truly a Filipino, by speaking our national language , Filipino. If some terms may be difficult in Filipino, then they can very well say it in English.
What is important, is that all Filipinos will understand what they are all talking about.
@greenpeas (998)
• Philippines
23 Sep 11
I dont think there are anything wrong with his request. Common Filipinos understand Tagalog better than English. The issue involves the masa, so it is just proper he uses the language that he is more comfortable in using.
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@SIMPLYD (90721)
• Philippines
23 Sep 11
That's true my friend. Lito Lapid being a Filipino has every right to request that.
The senators and everyone of us are Filipinos, so we might as well have that debate in Filipino too. That way, the masa can also understand it and senators who can't articulate well in English can say their piece well also in Flipino.
@globaldoc (858)
• Philippines
23 Sep 11
Now, this is going to be exciting. I just wonder how the Philippines will be observed by nations that do not understand Tagalog? Other countries are also observing the country. Businessmen for one, all observe what is happening in the Philippines before they will even consider investing. I do not think they will be interested anymore to observe if from the very start they will be having a hard time understanding the language.
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@SIMPLYD (90721)
• Philippines
23 Sep 11
Of course it will just be translated for the sake of foreigners. What is important is for all the Filipino people to understand it, since this will benefit them all.
@SIMPLYD (90721)
• Philippines
23 Sep 11
I totally agree. Besides, the RH bill is for all Filipinos, so we should include Filipino in the option.
@sydney143 (39)
• Philippines
23 Sep 11
hi there im from Philippines too.. yeah that would be cool debating with the use of our own language it is a win win situation for those who cant speak and comprehend much in English, Taglish as well can be of help too for the English words that is difficult to translate. and in this case a lot of individual can participate in this said debate.. hope they could have a concrete solution about that RH bill..
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@SIMPLYD (90721)
• Philippines
23 Sep 11
I am already looking forward to the debate , once they will permit Filipino language to be used too, other than English.
@voracious (624)
• Philippines
23 Sep 11
I also agree with you. If you speak tagalog it doesn't mean that you are poor or uneducated, it only shows that you are patronizing your own language like in Japan MOST their products are written in Japanese romanji-kanji and so on, also in Spain their establishments were written in Spanish like one of the world bank branch in Spain is called Banco del mundo ^^. There's nothing wrong in using our mother language in any debates as long as we are Filipinos.
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@SIMPLYD (90721)
• Philippines
23 Sep 11
That's true. Just take a look at PNoy. He speaks in Filipino in most of his speeches here in the Philippines. He appropriately speaks English too, whenever there is a need to do so. Yet, you can see how intelligent he is.
@Metatronik (6199)
• Pasay, Philippines
22 Sep 11
IT SHOULD BE! We are Filipinos in the first place this is national debate not a Ms. Universe beauty pageant. Unless if debaters are from another countries. I can't see anything wrong if Tagalog will be used in debate. In the first place being fluent in English wouldn't make us intelligent nor smart and that is not also a basis to branded us as educated person. If there are terms that is hard to translate it in Tagalog of course I also agree that they must use the English terms to understand more.
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@SIMPLYD (90721)
• Philippines
22 Sep 11
Yes, we should include the Filipino language in the choice of the language to be used in the debate. After all, this debate is for the benefit of all Filipinos, rich and poor alike.
@chiwasaki (4694)
• Philippines
22 Sep 11
I think Tagalog and English or Taglish is acceptable. It is for the Filipino people to understand more of their opinions and thoughts. Sometimes a lot of people are not that interested with debates since it is in English and they can't understand it that much. If it is in Tagalog, some participants will be able to express it better. And a lot of the audience can relate and understand the topic.
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@SIMPLYD (90721)
• Philippines
23 Sep 11
That's very true. People specially the "masa" gets disinterested ,if it is purely English. Doing it in Filipino and English for some difficult terms would most likely have the participation of even the "masa".
@keihimekawa (2009)
• Philippines
22 Sep 11
I so agree with this!
What's wrong in using Tagalog (or even Taglish) when in a debate? Having it in Tagalog makes it easier for everyone (media, officals, audience, "masa") to understand. That way, everyone can relate to it. Why use English in the first place? It's not like you're in a foreign country with foreign people while debating. The reason why you debate is to prove that your ideas are correct. How can you express yourself if you can't even share your thoughts well? What's the use of a debate when everyone can't relate to it?
What's important in a debate is the content and the ideas. It's how people accept your thoughts and view them. Not how well you speak in a certain language. Let them speak in Tagalog anytime! I'm sure fellow Filipinos will appreciate it.
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@SIMPLYD (90721)
• Philippines
23 Sep 11
Very true. Since we all know how to speak our national language, Filipino, then we should do all our debates in it. For difficult terms, well they can still use English.
What is important is that all the debates in Congress, be fully understood by all Filipinos.
@annelisle71 (275)
• Philippines
22 Sep 11
Hi SIMPLYD!
I definitely agree with you. There is nothing wrong in having a debate in the senate using our very own national language. If some senators have problems speaking in Tagalog or Pilipino language then they can always mix some English words.
I think it would benefit of the masses as well so that they will understand what the debate is all about. Besides, it is the people who voted them to their position so it is also their responsibility to keep the Filipino well-informed.
I admire Pres. Noynoy Aquino's speech that was done in Tagalog. Many people understand what his government is doing and this is very important that the Filipino people who voted for him understand where his administration is heading. The senate people should follow his example too.
@SIMPLYD (90721)
• Philippines
22 Sep 11
Yes, that one should really be approved. It will be for the benefit of all the people.
I too, admire PNoy doing his speeches in Tagalog. It just only shows that he wasnt everybody to understand what he has to say. He knows when and where will he speak English , like that in the US when he was awarded the honors like that for her mother, Cory Aquino.
Let's keep our fingers crossed that "Tagalog" can now really be used in debates at the senate. After all, who hears them? Di ba Filipnos din. (After all, it's Filipinos too.)
@love2click (366)
• Philippines
22 Sep 11
Yes, why not.Besides, i'm sure it can make their discussion really understandable not only by them but also by whole Philippines.Don't care if other country could not understand them, after all it's our very own issue.
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@SIMPLYD (90721)
• Philippines
22 Sep 11
Correct, it's our own issue, so we could also speak in our own language.
@romscabs (310)
• Philippines
22 Sep 11
They should! I think the only Senator that is fluent in English is Mirriam Santiago. The rest are Carabao and trying hard English. There is nothing to lose if they debate on Tagalog language. Besides most Filipinos doesn't speak English though some understands English.
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@SIMPLYD (90721)
• Philippines
22 Sep 11
They want to speak English because they want to show off that they can speak it so well too. Yet, like you said some are almost stuttering when questioned so heavily.