"oh I wrote a great discussion, or did I?"
@Hatley (163776)
Garden Grove, California
September 27, 2011 2:30pm CST
I was just thinking we have great latitude in writing discussions as long as we stay within the rules and do not break them. But what of a discussion that contains a thinly veiled sarcastic crack at some other mylotter here who has never done you any harm? Really should'
you go ahead and post it? It does not break any rules of discussion
but as my son would say sends a zinger to a particular mylotter. Now also because its so thinly covered others who know the victim will probably realize what is meant. still it breaks no mylot rules. Am I
being too picky, or should we reconsider and not make the thinly veiled zinger. of course the writer of the discussion will say this other person is just too sensitive, too thin skinned. but to me what is the point? why do this to another person? your take fellow my lotters.
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@zandi458 (28102)
• Malaysia
28 Sep 11
As long as no names are mentioned, no rules are broken. That is how mylot rules interpret it. But it is not a licence for us to write a 'great' discussion about members here. In the spirit of mylot that encourages global friendships through discussions we should not take advantage of the leniency to write something that may jeopardise goodwill which has long existed in mylot. We are no better individuals ourselves and why paint ugly picture on others. Our creative juices are not short of good topics to post instead of making someone a scapegoat in a discussion.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
28 Sep 11
zandi thats it exactly. I could not have put it in better words, and I really felt on reading this one that that part could well have been left out. we are all supposed to be a friendly community
and there is no place for veiled zingers at people here. It did not need to be in the discussion at all. I would never pinpoint someone that way. Its unkind and unjust. We all are unique and not like anyone but ourselves. so I try to remember that in all my discussions . there are tons of good topics with out getting personal at someone else's expense.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
1 Oct 11
hi lily loretta yes Zandi is a really together person and very
intelligent and smart too.
@GardenGerty (160949)
• United States
27 Sep 11
It is not against the rules, but it goes along with different personalities. I probably know which discussion you are talking about. I will say that you need to ignore it. It is something that I would not do but I have been tempted. There have been a few members (not you) I would like to say something about from time to time, but I refrain. I drop them from my friend list then I do not need to see what they are saying. No one makes me read their stuff. I do not know if this makes you feel any better or not. I kinda know where each of you are coming from.
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@beaniefanatic13 (5076)
• Grand Junction, Colorado
27 Sep 11
I have had 2 over the years of being here that have made me want to do something. I haven't. I get satisfaction in that both of these mylotters are not highly regarded in the general forum. One rarely is here any more, the other is active.
I don't drop them from my friends list but I wont participate in their discussions, regardless if I have something to contribute or not.
Now I'm curious as to what discussion has gotten Ms Hatley's hair raised. I must go and search.
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@beaniefanatic13 (5076)
• Grand Junction, Colorado
27 Sep 11
I would never cause waves for another mylotter. Just was curious about the discussion.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
27 Sep 11
hi gardengerty yes its not against the rules yes you do know which one too. I just thought maybe this is morally wrong but who am I
to know? I do know this was no fri end of mine. I will from now on
forget this person exists. also I will really try not to use
a discussion to stab at someone here. hi beaniefanatic please do not make any waves for me okay?
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@mysdianait (66009)
• Italy
27 Sep 11
If another Lotter starts a topic which is pointing to another Lotter, then those of us who are regulars will see it and realise who is the victim. If I see it, and the victim is a friend then I will respond but I would never start a similar topic.
If I have a bone to pick with someone then I don't make a public issue of it. Come to think of it, I don't pick bones as there is a place for everyone and everyone has a right to their own opinions. If some of them get their kicks out of starting topics related to other incidents then that doesn't say much for their originality does it?
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
27 Sep 11
hi diana i know I would never retaliate and any problem I might have with another mylotter would be in a private message. to humiliate another person and still try to and stay within the rules here to'me is sort of cowardly but I will go my own way and enjoy being here. I just do no t see what the point to doing that is, do they 'get some sort of sadistic glee out of it?No It really does not 'say much for the originality of the person.
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@paula27661 (15811)
• Australia
28 Sep 11
I agree with you Hatley. Even a thinly veiled zinger can hurt someone and I don’t believe it is morally right to do that to another person even if the rules allowed it. I don’t think My Lot is not a place for negativity towards one another so why spoil our experiences here?
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@hardworkinggurl (37063)
• United States
27 Sep 11
Personally I would not start a "thinly Veiled Zinger" type discussion. I come here for enjoyment and would not want to be part of personal innuendo type discussions. I find it quite challenging form time to time with the several who have difficulty with the English language to even fathom jabbing at anyone.
I do try to state my point but never forget to be polite in the process. I realize not everyone is the same but as long as I remain me I feel very happy and satisfied to be here.
There are some discussions, response, comments that leave me in amazement, but I don't take part as I feel to each his/her own.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
27 Sep 11
hi hwg hope you don't mind being abbreviated. lol. I just do not want to be in that position either and I have never used my
discussions to jab at someone in such a way that its not flaming
but the other person if she or he objects could well be told they
are flaming. I did view this discussion in some amazement to but again it broke no mylot rules. I should have left well enough
alone I guess.I only know that my own conscience does not let me
do that to some other mylotter.
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@hardworkinggurl (37063)
• United States
27 Sep 11
Yes I would never do something like this in retaliation. Those of us who are not aware of what is really going on can tend to generalize, which is wrong as there are always two sides to all stories, and creating discussions like this causes for those unaware to takes sides and probably to the wrong one. We really do not know what is in the minds of some of the rants we do see from time to time. We just should not take part of the jabbing. It is not right and all I can think of is what does that say about the discussion starter.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
27 Sep 11
hi again HWG I also would never retaliate. I am beginning to pity the person who is doing this as she seems to feel the recipient is too stupid to know they have been zinged.I guess the old saying you cannot please all the people all the time is right. someone will dislike you no matter what you do or say..But I am now thinking its best not to even respond to these if you are the target.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
28 Sep 11
Hatley!If a discussion has a thinly veiled sarcastic hint it is uncalled for.
However, if it were done deliberately then the person may not change. People who make snide comments would continue to do so and call anotehr person too sensitive and that the other person is misinterpreting things. I have seen such people in the real world. I honestly do not know how to deal with them and would like to keep away from these people. WHen I have to interact with such people compulsorly it becomes a problem.
Now I am talking about the real world-- when these people converse directly, there are many times they seem genuine. They have no control over their tongue and have a warped sense of humour too. At other times they are all sweeeeet . I am unable to figure them out. What would be your experienced viewpoint regarding this and how would you handle them?
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
1 Oct 11
hi kalav this person is not going to change, so I am just deciding to turn my back and forget the whole thing. let her have her fun if thats how she gets happiness. Ignore and walk away is the best
advice I have received and that way I will not get myself in any
trouble with the admins. I hate confrontations but this person did brag she relishes them so I am not giving her that satisfaction at all.
@beaniefanatic13 (5076)
• Grand Junction, Colorado
27 Sep 11
I wouldn't do that, but then I have issues about hurting other peoples feelings.
I guess we are all able to post what ever we like here so long as we don't break the rules. So I guess it would be up to each individual.
Maybe base the decision on a person moral code of ethics. Some would have no problem, others would have a problem, and still some wouldn't even realize that it was directed at a certain member cause they don't read the entire discussion.
I'm assuming this is hypothetically speaking? Has some one pushed your buttons?
@beaniefanatic13 (5076)
• Grand Junction, Colorado
27 Sep 11
Cowardly is right. I think that certain things should be taken care of in private messaging, not on the forum. If you can't decide to get along or be civil then in my opinion it's best to avoid those users that just want to cause a problem.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
27 Nov 12
hi b eaniefanatic it was cowardly but now I have not seen any posts
from her in many m onths.she poked fun at me for merely being happy
I had gotten one more point on my star to move it up. I have always
been civil to her but all she did was keep making fun of me
to the point of insulting.I should have re ported her but I never
did. others d did thugh. nov26 2012 9:20 am so behind here sorry .
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
27 Sep 11
hi beaniefanatic yes it breaks no mylot rules but is sort of
cowardly in a way.Yes it is up to each individual and the
best thing to do I guess is ignore and move on. I just often'wonder whats the point of using a discussion to jab at someone. seems
'silly and childish to me. This is mostly hypotheetical really.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
27 Sep 11
hi 2wicelot yes it just depends on what admins thinks as most of these are pretty carefully phrased so its veiled to some
extent. I just know I would not do that to another mylotter
even if I were upset with them. this is not really morally
right.
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@carmelanirel (20942)
• United States
27 Sep 11
You know, I make little "zings" at some, but only if I know they can take it, because you get someone who is thinned-skinned, you might see a flaming war before you know it..
@carmelanirel (20942)
• United States
27 Sep 11
Well I guess it depends on the person I am talking about, (like I said, I'd never say anything about anyone who is sensitive)but I can make little remarks that can sound innocent enough, but by reading between the lines, the sarcastic comment may stab a little..I typically don't do this though, only when I am in one of those moods which is rare..
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
1 Oct 11
hi carm I think this person has a hunch I am a tad sensitive and so she plays it to the hilt. bu t now I have decided I do not any longer even know her and she unfriended herself so I do not have to
delete her. She had been doing this for ages and I do not consider her a friend so its easy to forget it completely.
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
27 Sep 11
hi carm but yours aren't really hurtful. I am talking making them out to be blinking idiots. I just do not like to pinpoint someone as I will just a private message if I have any problem with
someone here. but to be the brunt of it is not fun really okay maybe I am thin skinned but I am a peaceful person.
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@ybong007 (6643)
• Philippines
28 Sep 11
It takes a bit of reading between the lines to realize that there are some posts that are meant to be a zinger. Some are a bit too obvious some are too subtle for most readers to realize its purpose. However, it is up to the person being zinged if he's too sensitive to call the attention of the poster or report the said discussion for deletion. I think a lot who will recognize that a discussion was meant to zing someone would rather keep it to himself and respond to the discussion and would just pass it off as nothing. The main reason why I think someone would zing another person here is that for some reasons that person was offended by the content of someone else's discussion. There are also those that would like to post zinger answers to discussions for no reason at all. Bottom line is there's just no way to please everyone.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
28 Sep 11
hi ybong you are right and I guess the only thing to do is to
ignore it as otherwise it just goes on and on. reporting it does little as its just carefully concealed but its still there. I
just know I will not do that as why hurt someone else. I like
mylot as most everyone is very kind and welcoming and its
a positive community. I was on a diabetes seminar where there were no admins and I was shocked at how unkind and mean so many people could be and this a site for us with diabetes to talk to others and get support and friendship. I left finally after one supposed doctor told us we had diabetes because we were evil. I kid you not,
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
28 Sep 11
hi ybong the man was a nut as he put up a list of all of us and said he was condemning us to hell. so I left as He was offensive and bothering us. look I am a diabetic but I am just like any one else and worked til I was 80. if that man was acting odd something else was going on as most diabetics look just like anyone else and act normally too. only time you would suffer is if you are g oing low vblood sugar then you are shaking and your brain is not really functioning too well as it needs sugar to function normally.honest we do nothave horns or tails or talk in tongues at all.you sounded like he was some sort of freak. I am trying not to be irritated butg diabetes is not a horror now days. we are just like anyuone else except we have to watch to eat a healthy diet which is one most people should eat anyway.your diabetic man might have been going low sol he need orange juice or hard candy. mostly we are very normal like anyone else. lol
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@ybong007 (6643)
• Philippines
28 Sep 11
now that doctors comment is funny or should I say offensive? But i bet he's also a diabetic that's why he said that. But I do agree with him ...jut kidding. I had once encounter a diabetic person in where I worked at. At the beginning, he seems to be fidgeting to the point that he's starting to bother everyone. I ignored him for a while until every ones seems to be focus on him already instead of their own business so I took it upon myself to go to him and ask him of his concerns, at first he seems to be talking nonsense and it appears that he's just making an issue out of nothing but the good thing is he told me he's diabetic and realized that the poor guy could be suffering. So I took on his concerns first and just explained to the other clients about his condition so they stopped complaining about him.
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@Fire10 (293)
• United States
28 Sep 11
Oh dear! I read this discussion and I was asking myself "do others think that I do this?" But, I hope not. I am pretty strong in my opinions and beliefs. Some times I have pretty strong disagreements with people.
Anyway - while I may rant about some things I think are pretty ridiculous - I don't mean anybody any harm. I just hope to make my opinions pointed enough to be seriously contemplated - even if the person doesn't adopt my belief on a particular matter.
I hope that nobody takes anything in my 'challenging' personally. I would never try to hurt someone.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
1 Oct 11
no of course not fire10 you don't do that at all and theres nothing wrong with having strong opinions or disagreeing. I am talking of a person who appears to have a vendetta against the person she is zinging and made it very evident to the other person. So me I am walking off and forgetting it ever happened. I would never do this to anyone but evidently this person thinks differently . so to each his own.I will try too to be more careful in my own discussions.
@sjvg1976 (41290)
• Delhi, India
28 Sep 11
Hello Mrs Hatley,
If a discussion is based on someone and is sarcastically pin pointing him/her then i don't think it to be great discussion.
But people do that in order to make discussion but i don't like it even if any such discussion points towards me i will be hurt too much from it.So people should understand it that we are here for fun not to make fun of someone.
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
28 Sep 11
hi sjvg and lilyloretta I agree that its not fair. why want to hurt someone like that in the most cowardly way possible.If I had an issue with another mylotter I would talk to that person in private not wanting to hurt or humiliate at all. It violates no guideline so I guess its best for the victim to go on about his or her business.
@Bluedoll (16773)
• Canada
27 Sep 11
Perhaps it rests with the word sarcastic. If it is a comment that is suppose to be a friendly joke, there is a danger that it can be interrupted wrongly. Sarcastic humour sometimes be meant to be funny but then not be funny to anyone else other than the person that wrote it. If that is the case an apology is in order I think. If it was me, I would apologize if someone got hurt but then the person offended would have to let the other know.
On the other hand, if there is a real problem why not just voice it? Anything that is a problem for me, I do not send zingers or hints I am open about it and just tell the person directly but as politely as possible. I think that is better than playing some beating around the bush game. Maybe, make friends and send a private message though rather then put it in a discussion? If it is not important just forget it.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
28 Sep 11
hi bluedoll I am talking about deliberately making a zinger not a sarcasm but meant to hurt just one special person,I feel this should not be aired in public in a discussion for all to see, but talked over privately or best yet grow up and forget it. I would never use a discussion to hide a thinly veiled zinger at anyone why hurt other people. You have a problem go to that other person like an adult and talk it over.In my case I am just walking off,done with that person completly.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
1 Oct 11
hi bluedoll no its hopeless as this person has felt that way ever since I came here so I am just walking away, and not saying anymore to her as she is not that important anymore, no longer a friend so I will dust myself off, and just forget all about it. I am here to have fun and enjoy myself not to fight with anyone at all. I am no longer hurt just disgusted but that is done.
@Bluedoll (16773)
• Canada
28 Sep 11
If the intention of a 'zinger' at the beginning is to hurt I do agree with what you wrote. It is better to walk away. What if the person did not mean it to be a zinger though but the way it comes across appears to others as one? I am putting that possibility out there because I think that happens a lot online because of communication issues. We do not understand so easily sometimes. We need to ask some questions. It is a good idea I think not to assume the person did have ill intentions right at the start. However someone is so mean as to just load up zingers and shoots them is certainly possible too.
Yes. we should try to talk to people even those we disagree with to settle our differences so maybe closing the door completely and locking it unless there is a good reason to do so (its hopeless) is not the best solution? My thumb is up but I guess the only left for me to do is suck it.
:-)
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
28 Sep 11
I've seen a few of these but because myLot is such a big place I had no idea who they were talking about. I usually pass up those posts because I don't want to participate in a vendetta. If it was about one of my friends I would naturally defend them, though.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
28 Sep 11
hi dragon yes I was hoping that that particular one would not be noticed that much. I should have bypassed it too but at least I made a polite cordial response and left it at that. I am sick of vendettas as nobody wins and the bad feelings go on and on.
Someone must just stop and walk away.From now on I will be
even more careful to never put anything in mydiscussions that
could hurt a fellow mylotter.
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@LetranKnight25 (33121)
• Philippines
28 Sep 11
Hello my friend Hatley, I don't know. sometimes i create a discussion if there's some one violating the rules or fooling around, but in the end it got deleted. that's why when ever there's a violation of some sort, i would just do my best to keep myself afloat in terms of reporting a violation. most specially if the discussion is already insulting me or some mylotters out there that are my friends.
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
28 Sep 11
hi letran the problem with veiled insults is that the discussion does not actually break any mylot rules but it to me breaks moral
rules in that the person is using a discussion to zing a pinpointed
p;erson. to me this is not right,why hurt anyone? whats the point,
what good does it do? I hesitate to report something like this
in that mylot admins probably would think one nuts. so I guess
the victim does best to walk away and not have anything to do
with this person at all.
@yspmyl (3435)
• Malaysia
28 Sep 11
Hi Hatley,
Sometime, when people are angry or dissatisfied at something or at someone, they tend to find a way to hurt that person in any kind of way they can think of. Since it is in mylot, what they can do is only write something sarcastic and point it to someone they wanted to hurt their feeling. They just want to be psychologically comfort.
There was a novel write about a character call "Ah Q", when someone bit him, he would say,"hey! why do you hit your father?" in that way, he will not feel too bad by taking advantage psychologically on that person even though he was beaten. That is what happen to the people who start a sarcastic discussion that pointed to someone.
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
1 Oct 11
hi yspmyl Yes I can see that too , but since this person cannot change I can and will go on and forget this ever happened. I am not
here to fight with people at all. I just want to have fun and enjoy mylotting here and earn a little extra money. so all is okay now.
@fabsprecious (1565)
• United States
28 Sep 11
I have to agree with you. What is the point of making a topic so "thinly vieled zinger" if they are going to affect other mylotters or hurt them in anyway. I don't think that why most of us joined mylot any how. At least I joined to be able to express my view without hurting or effecting anyone else.
We are here to have fun and enjoy ourselves that's just my personal opinion.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
28 Sep 11
hi fabsprecious yes thats it exactly hurting people is not
my idea of fun. Most of us are here to enjoy ourselves
and have fun and make a little money too.Mostof us
are really kind and so considerate too.
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
30 Sep 11
hi babsprecious that is the best policy as otherwise the fight will just go on and on like a he said, she said argument and nothing is ever settled. also a good way to end up getting a discussion deleted for flaming too. walk away and let it be.I am here to enjoy my friendships and have fun not fight with any one.
@fabsprecious (1565)
• United States
28 Sep 11
You are so right, the majority of us are here to enjoy ourselves and are considerate of others, but I have encountered a few that aren't considerate and sometimes have been a bit rude. I personally don't respond when I feel that people are being rude I just let it be in order to avoid any confrontation.
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@bagarad (14283)
• Paso Robles, California
28 Sep 11
I think I saw this discussion, but my senior memory can't seem to recall any of the specifics or who started it. I don't even know if I participated in it or not. I am way behind on my email notifications and am working backwards today, so I haven't seem many of yesterday's or the day before yesterday's discussions. I'm working backwards because then when I get to the discussions that are a few days old, I'm hoping that if they are violations they will already have been deleted. Also, if they are fairly new, I won't have as much to read before responding. I may still come upon this discussion if I haven't yet seen it, and my tendency would be not to participate in anything I recognized as a "zinger." It would seem too much like gossip to me and I don't want to participate in anything unkind.
I definitely think such discussions have no place at mylot. I think I heard once that great minds discuss ideas, but small minds discuss people. I think that says it all.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
1 Oct 11
hi bagarad and lily loretta , thats a great saying, I like that as it is so true. anyone can make digs like some but most here are not at all like that and thus I will keep on having fun here and enjoying myself like always.