Love mylot but some things here leave me feeling sad.
@Hatley (163776)
Garden Grove, California
October 7, 2011 11:55am CST
I was just reading one discussion which led me to feeling sad
remembering when my own husband would not quit smoking although
his cardiologists begged him to do so. Then this led me to wondering how far should I or anyone else go in trying to convince someone
to stop smoking, where does it end or should it end, what
more can one do to save one's loved one?your take my lotters.
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@hardworkinggurl (37063)
• United States
7 Oct 11
I am sorry my dear Hatley that you are sadden after reading a discussion that reminded you about the passing of your husband.
Very tough question to answer as you know and have lived that smoking is an addiction that is not easy to let go. Sure most smokers know that it is life threatening, but such as any other form of addiction it is not something one can easily say, I quit today.
You know in your heart of hearts Hatley that you did all you could and then some to get him to stop, sadly he couldn't. No matter how much he wanted to the addiction was much powerful for him to handle.
All one can do is keep reminding the smoker how much they are loved and continue helping them with encouragement anytime they try to quit. There is nothing anyone can do to get them to stop, outside of the smoker wanting to quit.
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
7 Oct 11
somethings eating my comment as fast as I type so am copying to clipboard every word I do know in my heart that I did all I could and if did not stop him at all. he would smoke in secret and lie about it so all I did then was support him and love him and he did not quit so I guess he could not quit but it killed him. five heart attacks in rapid secession and that was it. This is what I told the other mylotter who is afraid its going to claim her husband's life too.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
4 Dec 11
hi HwG its hard to know as I have not seen a post from her recently so I do not know if hes alive or not. I hope she had support from other family members.I had my son and my friends. but stillin the end you go thru this alone. I hope she will come back to mylot but who iknows.
@hardworkinggurl (37063)
• United States
7 Oct 11
It must truly be a feeling of helplessness when someone loves someone and there is nothing they can do. Yes you are right Mrs. Hatley that it was best that he did not have to do so in hiding.
Being supportive is the only way, for anyone to understand, hopefully the member you are speaking about has support as well. It must be difficult for her to be dealing with it.
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@inu1711 (5285)
• Romania
7 Oct 11
Hello Hatley,
I think convincing someone to quit smoking is as difficult as with any addiction.
My mother had a stroke three weeks ago and the doctors told her to change her way of living into a healthier one in order to eliminate the risk of having a new stroke. A new lifestyle would mean stop working in the field when the weather is hot, stop eating unhealthy fats (as her cholesterol is too high). But guess what? She doesn't want to change anything! The doctors told her she shouldn't eat pork any more but she doesn't want to quit. The doctors told her to stop working like a slave in the field but she doesn't want to leave her crops.
I feel so helpless because I can't do anything to convince her to stop doing what increases the risk of a new stroke. It's exactly like the struggle to convince somebody to quit smoking. If the person doesn't want to quit, any attempts from our part is a failure from the start.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
18 Oct 11
Sadly, going on about quitting to your loved one/s only makes them feel guilty and then they feel anxious and smokers think smoking helps their anxiety. It doesn't help anything of course but that's how insidious the addiction to nicotine is. Smokers will even try and convince you that they thoroughly enjoy smoking...they truly believe that they do but that's the nicotine talking through the addiction.
I always recommend the book "The Easy Way to Quit Smoking" by Allen Carr. I quit cold turkey after reading it and had no cravings or anything.
What stops many smokers from quitting is FEAR. They are terribly afraid of never, ever having another ciggy. It scares the pants off them and they will come up with every excuse under the sun not to quit.
@RitterSport (2451)
• Lippstadt, Germany
15 Oct 11
Dearest Hatley, sorry for the late response, but am just home for the weekend and have computer access.
The sad truth is, you cant do anything to change another persons ways. I am sorry to say that. Same with my hubby. Not about smoklng but about eating the wrong stuff most of the time. We are together for 9 years now and married 6 of them but he always blamed the meds for gaining weight. When I told him to please change his eating habits a little (step by step like not putting butter on his slice of bread when he wants sausage on that bread) he grumbled at me like a cat with prey in its paws, grrrrr leave me alone with my eating habits.
The big bang so to say came this year in March when he had some trouble with too fast a heartbeat and wat admitted to hospital. The EKG showed that he has a tight blood vessel directly at the heart, you cant use bypass surgery to get rid of that so they said he needs blood pressure meds and later he was in rehab for 4 weeks.
Now he is eating more sensible and has already lost quite a bit of his extreme overweight. He obviously needed that big bang to realize where he was standing, healthwise.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
18 Nov 11
hi I am guilty of that myself as a diabetic. I went low in the middle of the night but four Ritz with peanut butter brought me u p to 120.I have often done that in the evening here mylotting and suddenly felt cold and sweaty then started the damned shaking as I was wrapped up in responding to an interesting discussion. this one time it was so low I just went ahead and ate something to bring it up. my mornings are almost always in the acceptable range too. which helps me keep it down during the rest of the day usually.not always of course.I am also a human and we humans sometimes eat a little something not on the slate for us diabetics. as I use my glucometer I wonder how people got along before they could check their blood sugar as often as needed,
@RitterSport (2451)
• Lippstadt, Germany
19 Nov 11
hi dear Hatley, I got me two cheap new glucometers which are an excellent choice. The test stripes are very affordable too so I wont have to worry for some time. I got to pay the test strips myself as I am non insulin dependent.
Ritz with Peanut Butter is a great idea. Normally when I am in a hypo its either orange juice or home made jam or some honey here as I know this goes into the blood stream pretty quick. But for commuting and work there always is something called liquid sugar for emergencies.
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@RitterSport (2451)
• Lippstadt, Germany
16 Oct 11
Dearest Hatley its sad that you simply cant convince anyone to change ways until they change the ways themselves as they want to. I also cheat with my diabetes but make sure the morning glucose still is in the accepted range so meanwhile I know what I can and cant do. Yesterday I forgot to eat and was near a hypo when I got into the kitchen. Happens a lot on weekends when I am typing away or writing snail mail and am occupied. LOL
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@khare_1005 (1310)
• India
15 Oct 11
hello hately madam,
my job forces me to look into may smokers almost daily.i try my level best to persuade them to quit smoking but am not sure if they really take up my suggestion.its really hard to convince somebody to quit these habit as they are so addictive but one should never loose a hope and should always keep on trying.there is no harm in trying for something which is beneficial to someone you care for.may be one day they will gain the strength to fight back this addiction.
@khare_1005 (1310)
• India
16 Oct 11
madam i agree to your views.its so hard to fight back this addiction.just by saying that you have to quit this habit,is not going to work any more.am sad about your friend but she is the only one who can pursue her husband to quit this.at least for her sake,he should quit this,if not for himself.
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@pergammano (7682)
• Canada
7 Oct 11
Good morning, dear Hatley! I don't know what to say here, as I am a "smoker" and for the months of July and August, went thru a HUGE amount of tests for the big "C"! I found out on Sept. 23rd they are benign fibroids, but must be tested every 3 months. YES...I am old enough to know what I am doing, BUT the whole time I was being tested and the long, long wait for results, just drove me into a "frenzy"...I could not eat or sleep, just smoked, fully knowing it was the worst thing I could do. I think it is the worst addiction in the world, and I KNOW I must do something about it..BUT..I haven't. Our Provincial Government will even NOW pay for OTC med's like Nicorette, and Nicorette Gums, and other "quitting aids," so I am gearing myself up, as I know I MUST make up my own mind to STOP! It seems the more I am nagged, the worse it gets!
I'm NOT adding much quality here, but I wanted to add an addicts point! Have a great weekend, Hatley...it is our Canadian Thanksgiving on Monday, so the kitchen is ramping up..Pies made, Turkey thawing, etc.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
7 Oct 11
hi pergammano Iknow that when I nagged at myhusband trying to get him to stop it made him smoke more, tension or stress I guess. I
have read how bad this addiction is for smokers and am so glad I'
never learned to smoke. I was addicted to Four Way nose spray unti the side effects got to me and I did quit. b ut that was easy comnpared to nicotine addiction. Our gov. also paid for nicorette
and other aids to stop smoking but he tried one for four days then q quit. after all was said and done it finally sank in that I could not persuade him to stop unless he was the one who wanted to I told this other user that she has done all she can, its now up to him after heart surgery to stop , he has to want to.Yes you do add quality here as you give us some understanding from a smokers view point. I do hope you can stop as c igarettes do a number on ones heart. I will pray God reaches out and helps you.mylot prayers do help a lot really.
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@sid556 (30960)
• United States
7 Oct 11
Hi there Hatley,
I am a smoker and I have to tell you that is one really hard question to answer. Quitting is so hard and I will say that bugging a person to quit usually doesn't work. It might make them not smoke around you or lie to you about their addiction but not much more. I think it is something that a person really,really has to want to do for themselves and even then...it's really hard. I've tried countless times and always ended up going back to it. Our rental complex is being taken over by new owners next month and their new rule is "no smoking anywhere on the property". If we get caught then it is grounds for eviction. Well, I've been cutting back even before getting this notice. They almost did this a while back but then conceded that as long as we didn't throw butts on the ground, we could smoke outside. Now I have little choice but to quit. I think really that all you can do when someone makes up their mind to quit is be supportive.
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@sid556 (30960)
• United States
8 Oct 11
No, Hatley. I don't think there is anything that you could have done to stop him. It is such a very powerful addiction. I am cutting back and hoping once again to quit by the time this new ownership takes over. I was cutting back anyway because of the cost. Even when I KNOW that it is the best thing for me to quit for a zillion reasons and a part of me would just love to be done with it, I still have not been able to so far. With this new rule, I could actually walk off the property a bit to have a smoke but what a pain that will be in the night when I'm up late or in bad weather.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
4 Dec 11
hi sid yes I have realized that there was not one thing I could any longer do,it had to be up tohim and he could not do it sp I kissed'him goodnight and told him I loved him and the next day he was gone. tears would not change a thing. I liv edon to be alone in my golden years although I am not alone, with 100 others here and a roomie. my son is the most important factor to me now and thank God he does not smoke.
@skysuccess (8858)
• Singapore
11 Oct 11
Hatley,
I believe we should be firm when it comes to habits like smoking when it affects both the smoker and much more those living in close proximity with them.
The health hazards and consequences warrants it and as such being firm does not make our love any lesser or unloving. Besides, they should be wary of the hazards and consequences - more so what their habits would do to others.
@hotsummer (13837)
• Philippines
5 Dec 11
indeed it is hard to convince any one to stop smoking. i did try and i just gave up.
@ifa225 (14461)
• Indonesia
13 Oct 11
Hi Mrs.Hatley,
sad to hear this
but one whom got a disease can only help by his/her own awareness to get heal.
try to make him aware that he could lost many things if he keeps on smoking.
we can't push them to not do that even we love them very much
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@bounce58 (17387)
• Canada
13 Oct 11
People here have a free reign on what topics they want to discuss. Some are a bit painful than others. And it's unavoidable that some my distress others. Sorry that a discussion here made you sad Hatley.
Just like how we derive strength and laughter from what people post in here, we also get the bad.
I hope you're feeling better now.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
7 Oct 11
hi prokat yes smoking I am learning is a terrible addic tion and is very hard for a smoker to just quit cold turkey .but this one
mylotter's discussion reminded me of my own situation with my
husband who had one heart attack and was told to quit
smoking. I tried so many times to persuade him to use
the aids they have and he tried for one week and stopped trying and just went right on smoking til it killed him with five heart attacks. this my lotter's husband is home from having heart surgery and has been told to stop smoking. but he refuses to stop smoking or drinking either. so his wife has done just as I did , tried everything in our power to get them to quit and it has not done a bit of good. so ultimately if a smoker really wants to
quit, then you could help but he or she has to want to do and make that first step.we told her she has done all she could do, now its up to him what he wants to do , quit or die.
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@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
10 Oct 11
Hi dear, this is such an important discussion. It feels sad to realize that the hard work that we are doing are not reciprocated. We have to be motivated, we have to change our habits and lifestyle. Sadly, in most cases the onus goes to the surrounding issues and people. No one can make us do something, if we are not motivated enough.
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@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
17 Oct 11
It feels sad dear. My father had had heart attack almost 10 years back and the total occlusion was stented to treat it. He was a heavy smoker and after the attack, he got very scared and stopped smoking completely. Now, he is very religious with the medicines, workouts, food habits and lifestyle but has resumed smoking. He smokes 2-3 daily. But then 1 is enough to cause heart attack. when will he understand!
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
18 Nov 11
hi mimpi it is sad and I will pray for him as he is trying to do the right things but that 2 or 3 could still not help if he has a heart attack.,I hope he learns soon and stops completely. If only he had not resumed it. well heres hoping he stops sompletly as it will save his life.
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
11 Oct 11
sadly not much can be done. the kids have helped me to cut way down and a couple days before surgery i hardly smoked but a couple puffs a day and still i can not quit. its just something with some that have a very strong addictive personality cant seem to kick it/.
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
15 Oct 11
hi bunnybon I know my husband was like that too and it just was a matter of time as he would not even j ust cu t back so I l ost him. now o ur my lotter has a husband who just had heart surgery and
'he refused to stop smoking or drinking either. It is hard to know just what to say to her really .At least you have cut way back and that surely must have helped too.Maybe we cou ld just send up some
prayers for her and her husband.
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
18 Nov 11
hi hav ing been through it and watched my own hubby die,I sure did not want that to happen to her but what can one say I have sent a number of prayers asking God to change his mind, and hope maybe somhow he will be encouraged enough that he will stop
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
16 Oct 11
i know who you are speaking of and that one has been through a lot. ive prayed for her many times.
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@jaiho2009 (39141)
• Philippines
7 Oct 11
dear Hatley,
My mom also is a smoker and I always ask her to stop, but she keep saying smoking give her peace of mind when she feels lonely and homesick being away from us.
She lives and worked in UK and I am always worried about her health.
She is not a chain smoker, but still she smokes and it's not good for our health.
have a good day ma'm
@changjiangzhibin89 (16763)
• China
9 Oct 11
I have never smoked in all my born days,therefore I am not aware of how the people who quit smoking should feel.Smoking is a dangerous addiction and an acquire taste.I guess it is hard to stop smoking .It depends on whether one has strong willpower or not.My Dad who passed away last year at the age of 93 was formerly a heavy smoker.when he started stopping smoking,he was deeply perturbed all day,later he can't really stand it,he had to chew candy on end.He guitted smoking at last.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
15 Oct 11
hi chang now I think the only way I might help this my lotter is jut to pray that god might change her husband and get him to stop smoking and drinking. I had no real words to really help her.
I felt almost as helpless as I did when I had to stand by and
watch my own husband die.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
9 Oct 11
hi changjiangzhibin I am so glad your dad q uit. my dad did to once he had had an alarm about his lungs. He quit cold turkey without using any aids but my husband just refused o try the aids. now this mylotter is in the same situation and I feel so sad for her as he had heart surgery and was told to quit but refuses to do so.so she is going to have to think of herself now as he may not make it. sad indeed.
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@changjiangzhibin89 (16763)
• China
10 Oct 11
My dad had a bad cough ,therefore he had to stop smoking.The earlier quitting smoking ,the better.
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@sanofer (525)
• India
7 Oct 11
really feeling pity for you and i can understand your feelings and caring towards your husbands. Many people knows that smoking is injurious to health and it causes serious damage to heart and lungs. The cigrette packet itself contains 'no smoking ' warnings. But people are least bother about that and finally when they realise they will be affected with serious disease like cancer. Smokers should think about their health and about their family and they would try to give up smoking.
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@stary1 (6612)
• United States
11 Oct 11
I don't think anyone can convince a smoker to quit until they are ready to hear it. I used to smoke and the more anyone would nag me about it the more irritated I would become and smoke more. No doubt that was childish but it was an emotional reaction.
It is really hard to quit smoking and no way can it be done until the smoker convinces themselves they truly want to quit. So, Hatley..don't feel bad..had you pushed more maybe he would have smoked more...
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@scorpiobabes (7225)
• United States
11 Oct 11
I smoked a pack a day for more than 22 years, but about 3 years ago I quit cold turkey. I had been trying to quit for several years before that, but I began to get this horrible pain in my mouth where I had had two root canals. The dentist I saw at that time thought perhaps it was sinus-related. I quit smoking at that point and the pain has come and gone. Most of it is gone, but I've still got some residual pain so I'm thinking it might be sinus-related.
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