Occupy Wall Street shows it colors
By bobmnu
@bobmnu (8157)
United States
October 14, 2011 7:44am CST
It seems that the owners of the private property the OWS Prostesters are occupying wants to clean up the garbage and repair the damage done to their property. The protesters refuse. This to me shows their true colors that are out for themselves and don't care about the basic laws of the land. One of the things that made this country and why people want ot come here is the right to own property. Until the US was formed most of the ladn was owned by a very few and given out as a reward. In Europe most of the land was owned by the Ruling family and given as a reward to those who served them to take care of and enjoy the profits. Once the rulers changes so did the people who occupied the land.
The protesters have the right ot protest, with permits, on public spaces but not on private property. In a way the protesters are complaining about Wall Street taking things from the people but that is eactly what they are doing with the private property of others. Brookfield Properties has opened up this peice of property to the public with certain rules. The protesters are saying we are taking over this property for our use and you stay out.
I say remove them and allow the rest of the public to enjoy the property as it was intended.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
14 Oct 11
Of course they aren't willing to respect private property rights, part of their mission statement is taking property from others to give to themselves, right?
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
14 Oct 11
Brookfield Properties is trying to figure out how to keep the park from being a cesspool and they're having a tough time of it. The protesters WANT the police to come in. These morons WANT to pick a fight with police. They've made it very clear that if police try to move them in order to clean the park that they WILL resist. We've already seen them pick fights with police by climbing barricades, pushing their way through police, and even defecating on police cars.
I don't deny that there are some decent people in this mob, but they've done NOTHING to condemn or ostracize what appears to be the majority here who want open conflict with police and are treating private property as if it's their own personal squatting ground.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
14 Oct 11
So you're saying that each of them should get what they want, just because they protest? Even if you don't know what each of them want? Hmmmm
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
15 Oct 11
Do you really think the country would be better if these demands were fulfilled? If so, you may belong in an institution.
Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending "Freetrade" by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.
Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.
Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.
Demand four: Free college education.
Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.
Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.
Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants.
Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.
Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.
Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.
Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the "Books." World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the "Books." And I don't mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.
Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.
Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union
http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
14 Oct 11
How would this world be better if the wealthy GAVE them money? These people are whining about income inequality. I say that if they want more money they need to work for it, not camp out in a private park complaining about Wall Street.
I do just fine with my banking because I'm smart enough to read and understand contracts when I sign them. I also don't take out loans that I can't afford to pay back.
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@TheMetallion (1834)
• United States
14 Oct 11
Your information is wrong. Your flawed analysis and conclusions are only the natural results of that.
"[OWS Protesters] worked late into the night cleaning up the park, wielding soapy brooms and piling trash on the curb." - http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/10/14/owners-postpone-cleanup-of-zuccotti-park-defusing-potential-confrontation-with-occupy-wall-street-protesters/
"On Twitter, hip-hop mogul Russell Simmons offered to "pay for the cleanup of Zuccotti Park to avoid confrontation."
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2011/10/13/2011-10-13_occupy_wall_street_showdown_looms_between_protesters_and_nypd_police_over_cleani.html
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
14 Oct 11
So I guess it would be ok if me and 20 friends crashed at your place, smoked pot, made noise at all hours of the night, put up tents, prevented you from doing your business or having people over, defecated and urinated on your floor, and shouted at you daily so long as we did a little sweeping right?
Don't forget, this is PRIVATE PROPERTY and they are violating the rules of the park.
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
14 Oct 11
The point is they are not following the established rules. have they removed all the tents and personal property. The same thing happened in Wisconsin with the Capital Protesters. They did not do any physical damage(breaking furnature, chipping away at the walls etc) but the people resting on the railings and putting up posters with "safe tape" did leave a residue that needed to be cleaned daily and they could not. Restrooms required extra cleaning and cost the state more money.
The reason the protesters do not want to leave the part is that if they leave many will not come back. If the people do not have a permit then they should be removed, That is the Law and with out law you have anarchery, which is what these people want.
@cher913 (25782)
• Canada
14 Oct 11
wewll this morning i heard that the park owners have delayed kicking them out in New York, however, the same protest will be working its way to Canadian soil (toronto) tomorrow, so hopefully it will be a peaceful one. (they will be protesting in a public park, not a privitely owned one).
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
14 Oct 11
Every time I hear somebody around myLot or on a news network or in the streets talk about how these are good, hard-working people who are just fed up and not the type of people others are painting them, another ten stories break about arrests, civil disobedience, garbage everywhere, pissing in the streets, hordes of "ism" signs to replace the "ist," and on and on and on.
But I'll say this and I'm truly not trying to be funny. At least the left is extremely consistent in their assessment of a movement. Honestly.
When it's the few people at tea party rallies who scream and yell and bring inflammatory signs, the left claims that the minority is representative of the majority.
They're doing the exact same thing here, so I do give them credit. When the few people in the movement are gainfully employed and actually make sense and not just out there out of a sense of pure lazy entitlement, the left claims that the minority is representative of the majority.
My advice to the good folks in these protests, of which I know there are enough to make a change from within: Chase the bozos away, pick up the garbage instead of standing beside it, and tell people to tamp it down with the just-give-us-the-money BS.
The slackers are painting this movement the wrong way. The good folks who truly seek financial reform and not free money falling out of the sky should take over the protests so that they're taken seriously.
They can spread and spread, but as long as it's a majority of people simply complaining because they feel they're owed something, nothing's going to happen. They'll just be out in the streets, ringing up millions in damages.
They'll lose hearts and minds eventually and the next mini movement to come up behind them might just want to cut social benefits to the bone in order to keep some of these folks from filing for benefits in the future.
Just sayin...
And this is probably the 20th protest post I've posted on and I've managed to laugh out loud literally every single time. I just can't get over that some of these folks out in the streets with their list of demands for free stuff are complaining against "greed."
