Is this a universal trait of servants?

@kalav56 (11464)
India
October 18, 2011 1:17am CST
In India , many households have a servant/assistant/hired help to assist them with their cleaning work at home[washing vessels, clothes, floor] etc.., We have elaborate meals to prepare three times a day and by and large it is the woman or women of the house who do all housework. So, reasonably well-off people engage a servant to assist them with some of their chores. Now, I have always had a servant to assist me with a bit of washing vessels and sweeping and mopping the floor. Earlier we were staying in a big independent bungalow but now we are living in an apartment. My issue is this---- whenever I dump something in the garbage dump this promptly finds back its place in some corner of my house.. Earlier it was in my backyard where my servant used to dump all this waste material[like broken bits of unwanted things]. Here in Mumbai, I just peep out of my kitchen window one day and what do I see on the window sill? Washed milk sachets, diligently stored by my servant.. My sister-in-law had a similar complaint against her servant. Have you faced this?
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@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
18 Oct 11
My feeling is this; in this day and age no-one should have servants, no matter how well off they are.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
18 Oct 11
I agree with what you say. However, in many of our households men do not help in any way; we also have loads of vessels to wash and so even a household with average income do engage a servant. In fact, there are huge unions for the servants here in Mumbai.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
18 Oct 11
I'll give you more info to keep your mind at rest.Here we do not even use the word"servant" in the regional language. Secondly, I engaged a helper to assist me in January and when her working time did not suit me I politely told her so in 4 days [she had joined in the end of the month] and asked her to come late after work eased a bit for me in the morning. She flatly refused and told me this; I had no choice except to fix up another. This woman used her influence and stopped another person from taking up work at my place. THey also have certain rules and we have to abide by them.Work is by and large on their terms and not ours. We also treat them with respect; noone looks down on them [though in a bygone era this was considered menial labour].In fact, we get enquiries too if we are in need of a person.Most of them are uneducated and this job comes in handy for them; in Mumbai they are paid well too.
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@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
18 Oct 11
Men don't help in the UK either..they get their wives to do it lol. Thanks for the update though, I'm pleased I haven't upset you about this..it's just the word "servant" doesn't sit too well with me. Nice to know there are unions for servants; I didn't know that before so thanks.
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@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
18 Oct 11
I know where you are coming from Kala. In our scenario, it's not a surprise. The house helps mostly go to any extent to gather things that they can either recycle or sell off. These plastics are saleable here and perhaps the reason why the people restore them. I think they do it all in the name of better living.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
19 Oct 11
I can understand theer difficulty and as Professor had menioned the complaint is aginst her storing things in the house adding to the mosquitoes and flies.
@drannhh (15219)
• United States
19 Oct 11
Here such behavior by a household helper would be considered praiseworthy not a complaint, I think. We do not have servants in my family. Here, the men help with the housework if the women are employed outside the home or if the men are not employed as fully as the women. For instance when I worked 60 hours at my administrative job and my late husband worked 15 hours on location and the rest of his salaried work was done at home at his convenience, he did all of the vacuuming and laundry and more than half of the general cleaning. We shopped together, but I did most of the food preparation, and put the dishes in the dishwasher to clean. I think one of the reasons we tend not to have servants is that people here like their privacy and have efficient high tech tools and supplies to assist with the labor. Another reason is that our social structure is different, with more people changing their social class. For instance, my best friend used to be rich and now she is poor and I used to be poor but now I am quite comfortable. Some of my ancestors worked as servants and they passed down the belief that family members who survived them must get an education in order to never have to become servants and also that we must respect them by never hiring servants. It is a completely different mind set.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
19 Oct 11
What an excellent response and I bow down to your ancestors; they would have sacrificed a lot in ensuring good education for their offspring and their future progeny. Education goes a long way in the improvement of the status of people. It is not necessary that women should go out for a job because it is the man's prime duty to be the breaDwinner and but many women get employed because now there is an increased awareness , education and exposure. Still men do not help much in the kitchen or with washing.Parents stay with children and so it becomes a bigger family than a nuclear one.With some elaborate food habits, unless there is an assistant, the whole burden falls on the womana or women of the house and this puts them undr strain.Menfolk do not mind providng fo these helpers. Here in Mumbai, servants are quite respecTable and because they are uneducated they seek this helper's job.They get their children to study well and get some deskjoB.In addition there is one pathetic factor that persuades comfortable people to hire them; these women have drunkards and wastrels of husbands and they are pathetic at times.
@skysuccess (8858)
• Singapore
18 Oct 11
kalav56, I believe sometimes this is what it means about one man's trash is the others' treasure. For one, I think you will need to understand your domestic helper's family background and the reason(s) behind what they are doing especially with your household's trash. I think you will need to tell them when they are in the wrong especially when they are contaminating your house or kitchen where food is being prepared and cook. The latter will have serious dire consequences when it is not addressed properly. In my house, I would allow our maid to choose any of our house's old clothing or kitchen ware which we intend to donate or dispose, for her to send or bring back home. In a way, it does not go to waste and that our maid will not be keeping the wrong things which otherwise may become health hazard to us and her.
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
18 Oct 11
skysuccess! The sachets are intended for this girl ; the issue is her piling them up in an unwanted place.It is a hazard alright even if seh piles them up at her place.The best thing would be for ehr to clean them up well and then stack them somewhere [where there is space]if she wants to accumulate them.
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@thesids (22180)
• Bhubaneswar, India
18 Oct 11
Dear ms. Kalav Not sure as we dont have any maid at my place here. But I think she is doing it on a purpose. Going by what I have seen (I was at Mumbai for a few days and more at Pune some years back) - we cannot throw the garbage anywhere we like in those cities. So maybe the maid is keeping all of these at a place and plans to dump them off on some specific date (when the collection is worth). or maybe she plans to make use of these sachets and other plastics - they might have a resale value too. The one that visited our stay place at Pune, did something similar and when confronted she mentioned that it is not always that easy to get downstairs (it was a 12-storey apartment) for just one or two milk sachets - so she was storing all for about 15-20 days and then disposing them off.
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
18 Oct 11
Hullo thesids! What you say is true but here the maid removes the garbage not only from my house but all the houses in this compound.I am in the ground floor.She also does my cleaning work in addition. Now she sorts the sachets alone and stores them for her resale later. I did not want these lying around because of the flies and that is why I dumped them with the specific purpose of throwing them away.THey have boomranged on my kitchen window.
@thesids (22180)
• Bhubaneswar, India
18 Oct 11
THey have boomranged on my kitchen window It is getting quite impossible to win over and get the maids do what we want them to... Suggest her to put them on in some plastic bag that she can carry back when that gets filled and make some money by reselling them... That might not be the best way out but at least the flies will be away
• India
19 Oct 11
Kalajinamastey They take the milk sachets, bottles, plastic containers, because they sell them, but what i feel is, they should take them home not store in your place.. We are facing so much problem here due to the maids, at times i feel we are the servants and they are the masters, our maid recently got her salary raised to 2000 pm, but she has not come for 2 days again, kalyani and vidhya are fade up doing the chores.. kalyani is having fever and waist pain due to this.. Thanks for sharing Best of luck. Professor
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
19 Oct 11
Hullo Professor! Welcome back; I knew that people from India would be able to identify with this 'maid' problem; we have a complicated system of household duties that make us dependent on these maids and they are indeed masters. To share a joke, once I was telling my uncle"Uncle! I have fixed up a servant; she has started working ; I do not know whether she will continue;" and he replied" Oh ! I gather she has put you on probation" My complaint against her is precisely what you have understood --that she should take them and store them at her own place.
@dpk262006 (58678)
• Delhi, India
18 Oct 11
Hi Kala! I feel that servants in Mumbai appear to be lazy and they would just throw the garbage or useless stuff anywhere. It is really bad on their part, but I think you could not mend their ways.
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
18 Oct 11
My servant picks and sorts out these sachets and preserves them in the window sill. THis is whatI am against. I do not mind if she takes them away to make some small money; I have no space to store these.
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
20 Oct 11
I told her categorically thta she ought not to keep these here for which she replied thta she had forgotten to remove those.Now ,I went after her , picked them all up and dumped them once again in the garbage can before she packed the garbage bag and personally saw to it that she removed the bag.
@dpk262006 (58678)
• Delhi, India
20 Oct 11
It is really strange, what you have told. Did you ask him/her that you do not like it.
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@zandi458 (28102)
• Malaysia
18 Oct 11
No, I don't see the same trait with our maid here. The maid working for my mom has a different character. She consider herself one of us after faithfully working in our matriarch home for the last 14 years. She is the one throwing away anything that are unused and the old lady (mom) will retrieve anything she sees that have been thrown away. She will then tell the maid not to remove anything without her permission. And I can understand why cos my mother is a hoarder.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
18 Oct 11
Your mother is lucky indeed to have such a servant.In my hometown,I had a servant like that; in fact there were two of them.One was very old; she was in my father's place when I was in school.Later , she worked in my place too. THere is another one, who is still around and she is a wonderfully honest good person.It is rare to see such loyalty and love these days.
@SHAMRACK (8576)
• India
18 Oct 11
Dear friend, We do live in an indiependent house in Kochi, here we either have to bury the waste or burn it off. Moreover some waste cannot be buried nor burned. The Corporation has kept a person for collecting the waste from every house here and monthly we have pay for him also and during festivals another extras. In home we never keep any waste. In my parents village it was easy for dumping these wastes. But here in Kochi it is really a mess, it is punishable and fined we dump the waste in other places.
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
18 Oct 11
THen Kochi must be avery neat place isn't it? Kerala is supposed to be totally green.DO you a lso have a garden ?
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
19 Oct 11
hi kalav I have different problems. I am retired and in a retirement center. I am rather pampered as caregivers come daily change the linens, make our beds, vacumn the floor and clean the bathroom loll. also some not all sometimes see something they like and zoom its gone. You can look around but what it comes down to is they think as we are elderly ladies we do not know what we have. wrong. wrong. I have an IQ of 150 so am not senile or stupid. but I put in a complaint and the missing items showed up again lol and a few were fired too. so these people are in a sense servants and they are good and bad and some just indifferent too.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
19 Oct 11
If these caregivers have no qualms about lifting certain small items it is really difficult. Once I had a small girl who hid a few coins in her mouth and got caught when I saw her cheeks turned plumpy all of a sudden.In a way I feel very sorry for her because abject poverty had made her do it and this is why I believe that I should not keep odd currency notes or coins within her eyesight leading the poor soul into temptation.
@paula27661 (15811)
• Australia
18 Oct 11
I cannot contribute anything to your discussion Kalav because I do not have a servant...I am the servant, lol! I cannot imagine having another person in my house taking care of things but I’m sure I could get used to it! The problem with your servant Is sounds like a culture difference, perhaps, anyway I just wanted to drop by and say hello!
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
18 Oct 11
Hullo Paula! It is so nice of you to drop in ; how is your little daughter? Are you too busy with her that you do not have enough time these days to participate here? Actually I was also a bit less active with my little grandson at home. Now I am making a bit of time.As for the servant what you say is right.It is a difference in thinking --true.
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@paula27661 (15811)
• Australia
19 Oct 11
We are all fine here. I still come here most days but I have been spending my time responding to notifications instead of starting new posts.
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@kiran8 (15348)
• Mangalore, India
18 Oct 11
Hi kala, LOL, it definitely is a universal trait among the maids...they like to hoard anything and everything that they can find whether they can use it or not.To tell you about my own personal experience - my maid Ganga has been with us for more than 12 years and she does exactly what she wants.She has her own outhouse in the backyard and after helping me out in the morning she works in other houses all day.Every now and then, she brings something or the other and keeps it in a small shed built next to her house ,meant for keeping gardening implements.The other day, I wanted to clean and clear it out and was amazed to see the kind of stuff that came out.There were wooden planks, kitchen tiles,old buckets, plastic trays,several cups and saucers,all kinds of plastic items and many many more such things...The best part is that she convinced me to put everything back , a little more organised and leaving a little place for the garden tools too...lol
@kiran8 (15348)
• Mangalore, India
18 Oct 11
Thanks a lot for the BR kala, much appreciated
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@eljayo (1105)
• Philippines
18 Oct 11
Hi! Oh my I think it is just a coincidence that both your and your sister in laws servant have the same trait. You should instruct her about that garbage thing or ask her why is she doing that.
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
18 Oct 11
I did it eljayo today. SHe was not forthright with her answer; however, she agreed to remove them from the window sill.
@airkulet (2700)
• Philippines
19 Oct 11
Maybe you could list all the things that need to be done by your maid. Sometimes an specific instruction is effective than letting them do the way they think things are right from them. Make a checklist and explain all the things that you want to be done.
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
19 Oct 11
Giving specific instructions normally works but this is an area of weakness where they cnveniently forget instructions .
@chiyosan (30184)
• Philippines
18 Oct 11
I have not had a similar encounter. I always feel that they are not really concerned much about these things because, they are not the ones buying them. If it is thrown out, well its thrown out, except for the softdrink pet bottles, cans, etc that can be recycled, i know they would take them and sell them for like 1 peso a piece here in Manila.
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
18 Oct 11
Recycling, and selling scra is found everywhere but I am only irritated thta she gets back the thrown stuff adding to the flies and clutter.
@mayka123 (16604)
• India
30 Oct 11
I think the servants store this and then later sell this later. We have this problem everywhere. Ofcourse we complain of mess and dirt collecting and then mosquitoes. And they think of a little more pocket money. I dont have a servant to help me in the house. But when the man comes to collect the garbage everyday I see him sorting things out that he could sell and make a little money from.
@allknowing (137061)
• India
18 Oct 11
My situation is the reverse. I have shifted from a Metro to a semi rural town where we have constructed a house with a nice garden around. I have traded my social life to this lifestyle with no regrets whatsoever excepting that when we shifted we had 4 helpers but now I have two one gardener and one cook. They do not stay with us. I have never done house work but these days I do potter around. I have no problems of the kind you have stated. Probably your maid sells those plastic sachets.
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
18 Oct 11
I have no problem with her selling the sachets; in MUmbai, there is a space constraint and the slightest clutter gets very clumsy. You will have much more peace in your atmosphere , communicating with your plants than earlier. In my case, I have the same life style anywhere where I go. It is a very home bound simple style.But earlier, there was more interaction with society at large because of my clients and friends.