Would you whistle blow or turn in your boss...

Would you really sacrifice your job? What if you loved your job? What if it was what you went to school to be and it was fulfilling and lucrative? What if you knew you wouldn't be able to find something else like it, doing the same things you were qualified to do and making the same amount of money?

I apologize sharra, I responded earlier and the site ate it, so now I shall have to start from scratch. I have to mention that I have never had trouble getting a job, but I also have not been pounding the pavement looking for one in the last several years. I've worked part time in the last few years but it was something practically handed to me, and it wreaked havoc with my kids, so I had to give notice. I more or less work when I want to now, so it would be considered almost working for myself, and I don't have to alter my schedule at all for it or report to anybody which is nice. What I have seen with other people, specifically friends who are trying to find work or college kids of friends who are trying to find work is that it is HARD. They may apply at many places and hear back nothing. Even things like temporary work for the holidays and at places like retail and fast food. I'm not even getting into places where they apply which are in their career path, like my friend's college son is looking for something in the medical field, so either a doctor's office, a hospital, a clinic, that type of environment. Then with friends they are often looking to get into the school district or a specific type of business, and they have credentials, so it is really alarming when they cannot get a job. I can tell you from the last place I worked that the company was in the red for awhile. We actually had a lot of waste going on, and some of it was due to mandatory overtime which was necessary because if we didn't put in all that time, we'd never get our close done. The problem is that we spent the majority of the month doing close related activity while very little time was left for actual collecting (we billed and collected from ins companies). That meant there were a lot of outstanding balances left from ins co which found ways to not pay, and since we had little to no time to actually confront them, appeal, and demand payment from them, showing proof from their own ins guidelines that proved they needed to pay, they would sit on the money and not pay. Once we streamlined the close process, we had more time left over to collect and we turned things around. I remember at one point they 'restructured' and canned a few people, and it was highly frustrating to the rest of us because guess what?! Yup. They didn't can those people because they were unnecessary. They canned those people and piled THEIR share of work on those of us who were left! It sucked! If we already weren't getting done, now we REALLY weren't getting done. It's not like we got reprimanded or in trouble for not getting done, but it got to the point where it was normal and acceptable to never get done. This was rotten for morale and also caused some people to be perpetually lazy. I don't think it was a good move at all because it didn't really save money, and I was still working a bucket of overtime. Mandatory of course. We also have a welfare system in place but people game and con it. If we were to go back to the start and only give welfare and help to citizens, and ONLY those who met the conditions, then it would work as intended. I think that any citizen should qualify, but you have to actually be a citizen, either born here or naturalized here. If you are a non citizen, you should not be able to get any benefits. Period. Non citizens don't pay taxes, unemployment, into medicare, or into any social programs. Therefore, they should not be able to gain anything from those programs, money to help them, education, health care, etc. People who are citizens and qualify to receive benefits should have to prove they have no or very little income and are unable because of actual reasons to make more income. Acceptable reasons would be current unemployment due to being laid off, fired, etc. If you just quit, you shouldn't be qualified. You also should have to have been employed in the past, so someone is just a 'welfare baby' should not be able to continue the trend and never work and still qualify to receive benefits. For things like food stamps or ebt, you should be able to qualify if you do not have enough income for the guidelines, but you should also first be a citizen and second not have enough based on a formula that gives a certain percentage of income to rent, utilities, food, transportation, etc. Education.... should be avail to citizens only, at least FREE education. I see nothing with offering education to non citizens but you should have to pay for it, at any level, from daycare to elementary to high school to college. One more thing - none of those programs are designed to use forever. You should be continually evaluated for eligibility and if you continue on the benefits without getting a job, a better job, or somehow improving your own situation yourself, then you should be dropped from it. People get too comfortable and come to depend and rely on it and then get angry when it's not enough or they lose the benefits. They are benefits and to be a supplement, they are not an owed right or due you.

I should say a lot of non citizens TRY not to pay into anything, including taxes, because some of them have to hide because they are afraid of being deported. I am not sure why anybody is worried about being deported, this freaking country is so full of bleeding heart people who wouldn't send them out if they attacked and killed their families. My fix for this would be to not allow non citizens to get licenses OR ID, or if they received any ID, it would state they were an illegal. You should not be able to get a job if you aren't legal, OR a place to live like a house or apartment, and you also should not be able to get a license to drive a car, and thus not allowed to purchase or drive a car. I think this would help weed out people who didnt want to be citizens by making it too hard for them to live here. Then there would be fewer of them stealing benefits from citizens and we would finally have enough resources for citizens and I wouldn't see friends who are actually citizens and just laid off or jobless unable to qualify for things like welfare, food stamps, free health care, etc. They should. They certainly have more right than any non citizen taking advantage.

On the other hand, I do believe there are some who will do the right thing based on principle. They may regret it after, but at the critical juncture, they are willing to place their bet on the principles they have been taught and have lived by. In some ways people are so alike, they there is always room for a difference to pop out!

Hi Sharra I've missed you.... my fault entirely since I wasn't here much for awhile. Ok... in your situation where things are NOT good, I would stick up for myself too. This discussion came out of something else, whereas you are actually BENEFITTING from something that your boss is doing, but you worry it may not be legal or it interferes with your moral convictions. I'm not saying anything the boss is doing is bad as far as them mistreating you or mistreating other staff, this isn't about a slave driver who is getting away with it. If someone is being mistreated, sometimes I am the first one with a big mouth, but if I'm benefitting from something and someone else wants to be all nosy and cause it to stop because THEY don't believe it's right? That's what this was really about.

Hi, I have not been here much either, I kept my account alive but only just. If something is wrong does it make it right to ignore it just because you benefit from it. Complicated. Some things I support are legally wrong but I support them because I think the law is wrong. I may be wrong but it is my personal view. There are lots of people who do things that are wrong and they get away with it because the people who benefit want to make sure nothing stops the goods from flowing. In my mind that is criminal no matter how small. If you let things slip just because you benefit from it personally then you lose the moral high ground to condemn big corruption that hurts lots of people.

In the case of the free tickets being sold for personal profit I see a problem which is the same as a charity worker who takes donated items for his own personal use or to sell them for a profit which he only benefits from. That does happen and it is wrong. It hurts the people who do not get the donated items and it hurts the charity if people find out and they usually do. The attitude that it is ok to do anything I like as long as I benefit is the very thing that is destroying our society. I sincerely wish we could return to a society that cared about everyone not just personal self interest. Capitalism has gone to far to the extreme just as communism did. There has to be a better system that could benefit all people.

If they were a jerk and I wasn't benefitting at ALL, I might take them aside and warn them of what could come - then what the outcome was would really be dependent on their reaction to what I said. If they really meant no harm and it wasn't hurting anybody, I wouldn't say anything.

What did you turn your boss in for? LOL! If you were being treated wrongly, I agree, but if you were benefitting from something, would you still tell your boss to take a hike?

Ew... that sounds horrid. Obviously his parents didn't teach him responsibility lol. Younger people are considerably different than they were 20 years ago, the people I worked with when I was a teen were all much more responsible than THAT guy. I also am not sure it's a good idea to have a super young person as the boss when everyone else under him or her is a good deal older. I guess it would depend on the attitude of the young person. If they are respectful and decent, and RESPONSIBLE, being a good example for their employees and a good leader, that would be one thing, but I see in a lot of cases, the younger boss is a jerk and not even deserving of the position.

Well.....He was a 21 year old, lazy piece of s@#! He would come to work, punch in and leave to go get his hair cut, clean his car, drive a friend to work, etc. I on the other hand, would be running the shop....alone! Customers would ask me "That's your boss"? "He's so rude and ignorant"! He would turn his back on any customer that asked him a question and expect me to answer them. He also came to work, many times, hungover and slept in the back office. The list goes on and on. I couldn't take it anymore. I didn't benefit from anything but my happiness. Yes, if I experienced that again, I would deff speak up!

If it continues to bother you, of course it would make sense to secure other employment and THEN blow the whistle on your boss lol. A lot of the stuff I was reading was looking like people would feel so WRONG about allowing something they felt was 'illegal' to continue that they wouldn't even benefit from it, PLUS they would tell the person perpetrating it that they should stop. The economy is kind of in shambles right now, and so many people are unemployed against their will, so I'm really not sure someone who wants to take moral high ground really has a leg to stand on here - unless they are a young single person who is used to living on nothing and is responsible for nobody else, in which case they can probably afford to be stupid if they wish. If you have a spouse or serious significant other and/or children though, it's a really rotten idea to decide you're going to lose your job and thus the way you support your family. If you get another job first, that's called being wise because then if you get fired, you won't have to worry about it - or you could resign before you get fired lol.