Occupy Wall Street protesters are now protesting wealthy neighborhoods
By Taskr36
@Taskr36 (13963)
United States
October 30, 2011 11:00pm CST
For anyone who doesn't think this is about class warfare, just look at what some idiots in Portland, Oregon are doing now.
"the Occupy Portland movement marched to the Pearl District, with some saying they viewed its residents as part of the wealthy demographic they're protesting."
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/30/police-arrest-30-occupy-wall-street-protesters-in-oregon/?test=latestnews
This isn't a bank they went to. This isn't Wall Street. This is a simple neighborhood that they decided to camp out in and protest because they are the "demographic" they're protesting. They don't know these people. They don't know what jobs these people have or how they feel about Wall Street. All they know is that people who live in this neighborhood have a certain median income and that is a reason to protest them.
Of course several were arrested because they were violating a curfew and, as with most OWS protesters, violating the law by making camp in the park there.
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@rogue13xmen13 (14402)
• United States
31 Oct 11
Taskr36, this time, and because of what I went through today with the "Occupy Long Beach" movement. I have to say that I was not happy with what one of the protesters did, and I know that I should not judge the the whole group based on what this one person from the movement did, but this did raise a Hell of a lot of questions, and I know what I said before, and I know that I said that I empathized and sympathized, and that they knew what they were doing, but these people don't know what they Hell they want. So, here's what happened to me today: Those of you who are sympathizers or part of the movement, brace yourselves for what I have to say because this makes me question everything about you, and I will even give you advice as to what you are doing wrong and why people are not going to take you seriously:
I was at the Subway Sandwich Shop in Long Beach, California, when a protester with a Subway cup, came in to get a refill from the restaurant, and apparently she had been doing this periodically, and as she was getting her refill she asked my boyfriend and I a question, she asked, "So, where do you guys work?" (She had seen our t-shirts), and our reply was, "Oh, well we don't really work, we are volunteers for the Long Beach Comic Con." Then she said, "Oh, cool, so you should get the people down there to come and 'Occupy' with us, join the movement." Then she got her drink right in between my boyfriend and I, and then just left. My boyfriend and I could not believe this. Some of these protesters where going into places like Subway and trying to get people to join their restaurant while mooching off of the restaurant. I could not take this women or these people seriously.
Now, Steve Lopez who writes for the Los Angeles Times spent time with these people, and he states, "They are all talk and no action for the 99%," and now I know why he stated that after spending a day with them.
Okay, no with this being said, my questions, and my advice: Questions: What does the 99% really stand for? What to do you all really want? What kind of change are you hoping for? Who do you think that your movement is going to help? How long do you plan on doing this movement, and who is going to benefit? What do you, overall, truly hope to accomplish? What is your, overall, purpose?
Now for my advice: If you want us all to take you are seriously, quit mooching off of businesses and hardworking people. Start wearing business suits or work clothes, start passing out job resumes or laptops to apply for jobs online, start helping people get job training, and really demonstrate and show that you want employment and that you really want work if that is what you really want. Also, leadership? Who is your leader, and do you have true leadership? If this is a no, get some, otherwise, people are still going to think that you have no organization and no real power. Show that you stand for something, or else be considered a joke. Show that you really mean something because right now, I am seeing a lot of people out there who don't know what they want and they don't know what they stand for and they are using dirty tactics to get what they want when they don't even know what they truly want. Start showing the world what you want by actually doing something. If you all cannot stand for something, then again, you stand for nothing at all. Prove to people that you all mean business, that is my advice to the "Occupy" movement if anyone is listen.
I do sympathize and empathize with people who are trying to get by and who are working hard for what they have and want, and people who are doing everything that it takes to get a jobs, but at the same time, if you don't try to do something to show that you want it, then what are you doing marching and protesting, when you don't even demonstrate action for what you want?
I am not a protester, I was a sympathizer, but now, I can no longer sympathize because you all are not doing anything to show that people should have your sympathy, again, help people get employment, and then you can complain that it's not enough. Don't mooch, and don't try to get people to sympathize when you all can't "walk the talk." Do something!
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@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
1 Nov 11
The 99% refers to the the people are not in the top 1% of taxpayers. So these protesters who went to the wealthy neighborhood were really attacking the people they claim to represent. To me this shows me that they are out for themselves and don't care about anyone who is working for a living. When you look at some of their demands they seem to be self centered and all about them. The one common thread seems to be corporate greed. When asked I never hear them define what corporate greed is. They say that they are making too much money. Yet they feel that all people need to be paid more not based on ability, or productivity. What they are saying ,to me at least, is that only the people they think should make a good living. If you are a risk taker and invest your money you should make the same as the person you hire to build your idea. They get paid weather it works or not while you only get paid if the idea works.
What the OWS people do not realize is that while many people agree with parts of their protest they are scared of the parts fearing that they go too far and will change the structure of this country and lead us to what is happening in Europe.
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@Jaction (3)
• United States
31 Oct 11
I completely agree with you this is class warfare but the OWS Protester didn't shoot first did they? I dont think so, and I agree that they should not have set up shop in the "rich folk neighborhoods"... They should have just marched through there and stayed until curfew, I being sarcastic, Civil rights leaders didn't just march in the black neighborhoods, they didn't sit-in in black establishments only that wouldn't make any sense at all. The whole point of protesting is to peacefully and effectivily get your voices heard... mission accoplished. All Im saying is that it wouldn't have got them much publicity by making camp in the poor neighborhoods!!!
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@irishidid (8687)
• United States
31 Oct 11
They are becoming a joke, that much is clear. There is no central message or if there is it has been lost in the actions of the crowd. They are a clueless bunch.
Not all rich people live in "rich" neighborhoods. Many live in very modest homes and neighborhoods. They live modestly and don't make a big show about their wealth.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
31 Oct 11
And not everyone who lives in "rich" neighborhoods is rich. Some people sacrifice a lot to live in wealthy neighborhoods because they're safer. My wife and I are renting the cheapest house in a nice neighborhood because she teaches piano and does best when living in an affluent area.
@irishidid (8687)
• United States
1 Nov 11
Exactly, Taskr. I remember being with my mom in the car and looking at the large houses by the Plaza in KC. I particularly recall sheets being used for curtains and the cars in the driveways being beat up old junkers.
@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
31 Oct 11
I do not understand the whole class warfare thing. We were poor as church mice and I remember eating mush for supper--only later in life did I realize it was because we didn't have enough money. I was taught that if I stayed in school and worked hard I could be anything I wanted, even rich. I saw examples like Prez Lincoln, the local newspaper publisher (who wasn't rich but had a nice house and happy family), my teachers who loved what they did, etc.
These Occupants don't seem to have any goals or role models. Why do they resent the rich? What are they doing to better themselves besides sitting around complaining? They are not proposing any type of social improvement ideas, or anything to make education easier to get, no ideas on how children can have one parent at home for stability and emotional support, no suggestions on how to stop the epidemic of children growing up in fatherless homes. All these things would promote economic equality but I hear nothing like it from the Occupants. Just whining.
These people can never be rich, they don't have the drive or the ambition. They just want to take what everyone else has. They've proven that--not one constructive idea on how to solve financial "inequality" in all the time they've been protesting. They have no right to invade any neighborhood.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
2 Nov 11
The better question is, why are you ATTACKING the rich? What did ANY of the people living in that neighborhood do to YOU?
Also, if you actually read my post, you'd see that I didn't defend anyone. I just pointed out the fact that this proves the movement is class warfare because they went after these people based on their perceived class, not because they had anything to do with Wall Street.
@irishidid (8687)
• United States
1 Nov 11
Money makes the world go around like it or not. It is the ones who have money that set things in motion.
Why defend the rich? Because they have the same right not to be harassed in their home as you do. It would be like saying why defend 21 year old people-because NO ONE has the right to harass you just for being 21.
@SwordsPlay (34)
• United States
31 Oct 11
To say that the protesters are angry because they are jealous that someone else beat them at the game of life is misleading and wrong. People don't want handouts, they want equal opportunity.
It's that Wall Street is cheating!
For example, if regular joe needed to borrow money, he'd have to borrow it at market interest rates. Banks, however, get interest-free money from the government. To make it even worse, instead of investing this money, banks buy U.S. debt and securities which pays 2%-3% interest! Even a chimpanzee couldn't screw this up! This is essentially free money from the U.S. government. And do you know who pays taxes on U.S. debt interset? That's right, the taxpayer. So, it's you and I that end up footing the bill. It is unfair that banks get to borrow interest-free money from the federal government while everyday people have to borrow that same money at the market rate.
They're not jealous because of others' success; they're angry because Wall Street is cheating! They just want an even playing field.
Success is the national religion of America.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
31 Oct 11
"They're not jealous because of others' success; they're angry because Wall Street is cheating!"
Then WHY are they protesting this neighborhood? This isn't Wall Street. The people in that neighborhood don't work on Wall Street. This is OREGON. It's as far from Wall Street as you can get. They are protesting these people out of pure jealousy and they don't even KNOW that the people in the neighborhood are rich. They just know that it's a nice neighborhood and are targeting an affluent demographic.
Tell me ONE REASON, aside from class warfare, that anyone would protest this neighborhood?
@laglen (19759)
• United States
31 Oct 11
Private property with no goal. That sounds about right. That seems to be their MO. If you recall, this is how they started. Come occupy with us. We dont know why we are protesting, but protest we will!
What about families that inherited their homes? If they are so against big business and big money, explain George Soros and his ilk.
I have been and will continue to ignore these protesters. There is a big election coming next year, I dont think these people can make it, no job= no money, no money = no food.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
1 Nov 11
Well, when their whole point is about harassment and hate, I guess they have to go to where the people they hate live, in order to harass them.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
31 Oct 11
For the most part I'm on the side of the "Occupiers" but I'm not against wealthy people simply because they're wealthy and I really see no point in protesting a wealthy neighborhood. The movement is not about class warfare, in my opinion, but it is about inequality and the way big money and corporations have taken over everything, including our government and politics. There shouldn't be such a huge gap between the "working class" person and someone in the top 1%. I'm all for everyone working hard and trying to make as big a success of themselves as they can and I have no problem with businesses making profits but the way things have become is obscene.
The ones waging "class warfare" are those who aren't in favor of increasing taxes even the tiniest bit on anyone EXCEPT low and middle income people. Do these so-called job creators really think they can continue to make record-breaking profits if the only ones who can afford their products and services are other million and billionaires? The "99%ers" are consumers and they need to have some spending power to help get and keep the economy growing again.
Annie
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
31 Oct 11
If you study the history of the income tax is was sold to the American People as a tax only on the wealthy. What happened? The politicians saw a great way to raise money for what they thought was best for the country. What became best for the country (politicians) was to create programs for the poor and make them dependent on the government (politicians) and making sure that they continue to vote them into office. If you look at many government programs they seem to be for one thing but benefit someone else. For example Women Infants and Children Program, It provides food for children until you look closely and much of the "approved" food is high in sugar, fat and not necessarily the best for children. Who benefits from the program, the dairy farmers, the peanut farmers, Food producers and retail grocery stores. It also increased the number of county, state and federal employees to monitor the program. The mother and child had to make a monthly visit to the WIC clinic to get weigh and to tell the mother, who had to take time off of work, to make sure they make the next appointment. Even business is becoming dependent on government handouts. Look at Green Energy, jobs programs, and tax breaks for the big corporations. Look at what happens the government funds something and in turn the politicians receive campaign contributions.
If we place the tax on the wealthiest you can be sure that just like during the election the definition will change. Remember that the wealthy were first defined as millionaires and billionaires then those making above $250,000 and finally defined as the top 5% which is a person or couple making more than $176,000. When will they define the rich as the top 50% or those making more than $50,000 per year. Within a few years you can bet that the tax will work it way down and will include a majority of taxpayers.
@Kenorv (343)
• United States
31 Oct 11
The protestors are so misguided it's not even funny. If they're really serious about this then they'd march on Washington, not New York or Portland or Oakland or anywhere else for that matter. Wall Street isn't doing anything illegal. The rich aren't doing anything illegal? Are they greedy? Yes. Are they criminals? No. They're making their money withing the confines of the law. So if the protestors have a problem with that then they need to be protesting to those who make the laws that allow Wall Street to profit the way that they do. But of course that would mean protesting Obama and his failed policies, something these brainwashed sheep don't want to do. That's why they're targeting Wall Street and the rich because it keeps them from having to protest Obama and the other dems.
Honestly, I wish the protestors would just illegally immigrate to Canada and let Canadians see what we have to deal with in the U.S. with all the illegals. Or maybe we can trade all of these protestors for all of Canada's rich people.
@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
3 Nov 11
WHat nice people....protesting in a neighborhood that probly had a bunch of children in it. Probly scared the parents too bad to let their kids play outside. And probly scared the kids.
THIS IS class warfare at it finest....you have it...i don't...so I am going to protest and villianize you and demand you give me what you have.
THey are also protesting what makes this country great...working hard and being successful...I thought that was the american way.
I guess the new american is instead of working hard for it...i will just demand the other guy give it to me. Lazy..stupid...idiots..I would use other words but I am trying to be polite.
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
31 Oct 11
Looking back on it all now, weren't most of those 1960s antiwar pacifists really just aspiring communists? I think it was media that willingly distorted what they were about and it's media that keeps distorting these types of things.
I obviously wasn't alive then, but I do take the word of people who were when they tell me, and when I read the unflattering history of the era.
I think the same type of thing is starting to happen here, so I'm trying to pay really close attention to exactly who's showing up, why they're showing up, where they're showing up, and what they want.
People supporting this group say it's not fair to generalize them as anything, but then they generalize them as peaceful and intelligent. People tell me that I should look at one of those websites to see where this group stands, but then I see that the actual message is 20:1 what people actually say and do to what the group's supposed mission statement is.
For every hard-working, patriotic, peace-loving person in attendance at one of these events, there seem to be 20 more who are all about yelling and screaming, blindly being a part of something, or worse, angry, bitter and resentful of people who have wealth in general because "wealth" is something they think should be taken away and spread around.
I do wonder where they'll protest next.
@Vrilya (128)
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31 Oct 11
I think that behaviour is absolutely appalling and should be returned to where it belongs ie Russia in 1916, most of the so called top 1% are not bankers at all but they are instead creative productive industrialist and entrepreneurial individuals who build up the economy, make jobs and add value to people's lives with their products. It's sad that some people can't make the distinction and brand everyone who is wealthy as a crook, when that is not true. Some of them need to work on improving themselves instead of throwing rocks at productive people......
@piya84 (2580)
• India
31 Oct 11
I am not american but i am following these news since beginning so i think i could comment on this.This movement looks like taking wrong turn now.
Protest was against frauds committed in big companies but this is now looks like socialism ,left thinking kind of things.This is not good thing.No one has gain from class war and socialism in history.DO not take this rout.