Global Warming is Real
By trruk1
@trruk1 (1028)
United States
October 31, 2011 10:38pm CST
A physicist, funded partly by the Koch brothers, recently announced his findings after spending two years examining the data about global warming. His conclusion: it is real. That is not what he was hired to find, but there it is. Real climate scientists heard of this and their attitude was, "Who cares? He is announcing something we have known for a long time." Maybe next year the guy will look into some other scientific question to determine if it really has merit. Maybe he will tackle relativity or quantum physics. It is all just theory, right? And all theories have equal merit, no matter whether the evidence supports one and does not support another.
The people who funded him wanted him to "prove" global warming was a hoax. He did not do that, because it is a fact of our existence, supported by overwhelming scientific data.
3 responses
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
1 Nov 11
That only addresses about one of the one hundred issues associated with global warming/climate change, and it's this type of approach to the debate that essentially shuts the debate off.
People who even dare question anything related to the issue are denounced as deniers, full stop.
But man's actual impact on it rather than it just "happening" is something that needs to be fully addressed. Whether we can do anything as humans to stop it needs to be addressed. Whether or not government (particularly the UN and their eagerness to spend trillions of dollars to control global industry) is the right approach to mandate change needs to be addressed. The actual collection of the data and not just the reviewing of the data (because anyone can say 2+2=4, duh) needs to be greatly expanded. The implications going forward need to be addressed beyond citing tornadoes and floods that were actually worse a century ago, and proposing an ice age that never came.
This list can go on and on and on.
But anyone skeptical of any of it or wanting to touch on those issues is instantly labeled a flat-earther.
You said the guy "examined" the data.
I don't doubt his findings from pre-collected data for one second.
Even though I don't see a link there and don't know the story, I can only imagine that numbers are numbers.
The entity compiling this data in the first place also needs to be questioned in this debate. We can't just pretend like nobody stands to gain anything on the climate change side of the debate. An entire industry exists that would be the biggest thing on the globe should an organization like the UN get its way. People stand to gain massive power and influence over the issue. People stand to make billions of dollars.
There is so, so much more involved in this issue than whether or not it's "happening."
@trruk1 (1028)
• United States
5 Nov 11
If you are really concerned about the accuracy of the original data, I do not know what to say. The idea that an ocean of researchers, in different countries, speaking different languages, ranking back historically at least to Benjamin Franklin, engaged in a vast conspiracy to falsify their data, is astonishing, to say the least.
What causes warming and what we can do about it are difficult issues to handle, but the point of this study was to prove that the data did not support the conclusion. It failed. The scientist spent two years examining all the data he could find and concluded global warming is real. That discussion should be over. Anything we try to do will be expensive and take years to have a discernible effect. The only thing that would be worse would be to do nothing.
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
5 Nov 11
I'm just pointing out the fact that a whole hell of a lot of people stand to gain a whole hell of a lot. If this were Wall Street-based, you'd be calling for a thorough investigation into it, even though it may seem as if no one is breaking laws.
That's documented on a previous post.
What their data say is happening and what that then causes them to predict has never panned out. The snows came back. The ice age didn't happen. Our shorelines are not under water now. The storms they say are so horrific were actually worse a century ago. On and on.
So there needs to be much, much more data collected. As I said, not for the "happening" BS of it all. Climate change is constantly happening. But for the true implications going forward and not a strange little campaign that somehow puts government-friendly light bulb-makers in a monopoly position. (I'll go back to the Wall Street thing.)
And, please, cut it out with the "oceans of researchers" stuff. Save that for the schmoes out there. A book review club and novelists are quite different.
Besides, you did exactly what I said in the opening of my post and addressed zero of what I was speaking about after the "it's happening!" line.
So good luck with all that. Change your light bulbs and nod your head in approval while the criminals in green industry keep robbing the taxpayers blind. They're Wall Street with a better PR campaign.
"Happening" or not is irrelevant in my book. Something's always going to be "happening." What we plan to do about it is what counts.
@magester1 (148)
• Argentina
28 Feb 12
Global warming has been there for thousands of years and everyone knows that. I really don't understand what this guy found out.
What is not real is that human is the cause of it, perhaps it is influenced by it, but not in a noticeable way. No matter what you do the earth will get warmer every year.
@trruk1 (1028)
• United States
28 Feb 12
That is not true. Climate does change over time. We had an Ice Age a few thousand years ago, and before that there were periods of abnormal high or low temperatures. What this man found (remember he was hired to prove claims of global warming were false) is that the evidence is solid--the planet is getting warmer. He did not speculate as to the cause or causes. Denial starts with denying that warming is real. Then it moves to an admission that it is happening but denying the influence of human activity. This phenomenon has been blamed on sunspots, cows, and a variety of other natural processes. Denial helps nobody. It took the Catholic Church hundreds of years to admit that Galileo was right and they were wrong--the Earth moves. The gain from all those centuries of denial--exactly zero.
@musicloverfriend (1465)
• India
1 Apr 12
Hello.this is was happens in science...when you try to prove something you will get other results..this is what so good about science!! this is really fun for me!!
