Have You Ever Been In A Cult?
By bostonphil
@bostonphil (4459)
United States
November 12, 2011 4:57pm CST
I realize that one person's cult is another person's religion.
I have personally never been in a cult myself but I have been around group or individuals that some call cults. Persons inside of these groups see the group differently and feel that it is their religion or spiritual path.
In the 1960's and 70's, I was around and involved with a lot of person who were hippies or left wing radicals. By the 80's, many of these persons had found God or were seeking God. They were very attracted to Eastern Spiritualism and or New Ageism. Many of these persons joined groups that other persons saw as cults. Some survived and some did not. Many strange things happened.
There was a lot of pressure on me to join one of these groups. When I resisted, I found myself dropped by my so called friends. I missed my friends but I did not miss the pressure
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@lilaclady (28207)
• Australia
12 Nov 11
due to some cults forming close to my area I was talking about this subject with some friends the other day, cults religions I feel should be made more accountable, I am not sure about cults but here in Australia all religions are what I call tax free businesses, I think it is time that these businesses are made accountable in all areas and one way to do that is to make them pay taxes like any business and make their books open to Government and public.....
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@bostonphil (4459)
• United States
12 Nov 11
Most organized religions began as cults. I agree with you. I think that all religions should have to pay some taxes. I guess they are tax free right now.
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@arthurchappell (44998)
• Preston, England
3 Sep 15
Hitting a cult's charitable status is one of the most powerful ways to bring them under some kind of control. Many cults depend on their religious charity status to survive.
@Masihi (4413)
• Canada
13 Nov 11
I've been in a commercial cult 2 years ago, actully 3 years ago but I left it 2 years ago. There was pressure for me to join up quickly, paperwork were signed very quickly, and I was told to listen to CDs and read their books plus go to every function they had, whether we could afford it or not. It's a really freaky feeling, at first there was this "love bombing" where everyone hugged you and friendship was instant. I then was told to not do outside research, or listen to people who will try to get me out of the business. Also I noticed that everyone talked the same, dressed basically the same, and got hyped up over the leaders, and called the leaders just by their first names (in the tone of familiarity, as if they knew the leaders personally, but in reality never even said hi or boo to them) - and by the time I was starting to leave the cult (7 months later) I was so stressed out, and I was also getting sick.
When I left Monavie/TEAM (TEAM is the worst, though, MV was just so bloody expensive) nobody from TEAM had anything to do with me. I even had a friend who was a member of TEAM in another province kick me off her FB friends list just because I spoke out my experience. Here's the freaky part - there's a movement going on in my city, and one of the main head leaders lives here as well. Yuck.
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@GardenGerty (160642)
• United States
13 Nov 11
@Masihi, I have experience with a group like that. The sales meetings were more like worship services. I think the company has gone more mainstream and normal now, but it was like it took the place of their religion. @Bostonphil, my cousin was in a religious cult. The members would go out and take jobs and share the money with the group. I think the person who got beat up was in the wrong place (bus stop) alone, at a wrong time and was beaten, raped and robbed. It was not because of being in the cult, but it was because of being vulnerable.
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@bostonphil (4459)
• United States
13 Nov 11
Some of these groups that were once cults or cult like have matured and grown up. They have become more mainstream and relaxed some and become more normal. But, using the word normal! That could open up a Pandora's Box because we could then get into a discussion on what is normal.
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@bostonphil (4459)
• United States
13 Nov 11
I have done a lot of reading and research abut cults because of my experiences in the 1980's. There are different types of cults such as the commercial cult that you were in. What did your cult do or believe in? What do you mean by commercial cult?
Besides religious cults, there are political cults. I was around a lot of left wing people and I would find out later that some of these groups were political cults.
Then there are the self improvement cults.
Groups are interesting but can get weird. I do not mind being around a group but I prefer not to be inside one.
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@GardenGerty (160642)
• United States
13 Nov 11
I have not been in a cult. I have a cousin that was. She was even on the cover of a Life magazine I believe. They were a group of people who were living and working communally. If I remember correctly some of them were attacked, beaten and robbed as well. This was in the early seventies. I can understand how you would not miss pressure from very aggressive cults or religious groups. We should all be careful how we try to win people to our way of thinking.
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@bostonphil (4459)
• United States
13 Nov 11
Would your remember why you cousin and her cult were assaulted? And by whom? Did they do anything to anyone that brought on retaliation? What kind of cult was your cousin in ie. religious, political etc?
My friends got really into pressuring me to join their groups. I did not know they were cults at the time. They used manipulation and mind control on me. I see some of them now and then. I run into them. Some have left the cults(s) they were in. But they are still active in groups which seem cult-like if not cults. Some people need groups to survive.
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@ksherrie (891)
• Singapore
13 Nov 11
hi bostonphil,
Personally, nope, I am not in a cult. I think a small group of my friends are. Reading from what you meant, I think being religious in a group may count as being in a cult. My friends go to church. So I guess they are in a cult?
I guess there isn't much cult happenings in my country as the security here are very strict. No riots are allowed. A group gathering of more than 3 in our neighbourhoods can easy earn us a visit to the police station if we are not careful.
So you can say I don't see anything unusual or weird in my country. At least not yet I guess, I think as rules changes, people grow old and change hands in government. Something might just happen in the future, but not in my near future i guess.
@bostonphil (4459)
• United States
13 Nov 11
I have heard it said that all religions began as a cult. Some cults are very large and some very small. Some are very secretive. It could be that there are very small cults operating secretly in your country and you would not know it.
There are also different types of cults, not just religious cults. There are many political cults.
Are you comfortable or uncomfortable with such tight security? Would you like to see some changes, some relaxation?
I love that mylotters are from all over the world.
@lampar (7584)
• United States
13 Nov 11
No, i never been in a cult, it doesn't attract me. I can't find sense of peace in cult teaching, let's those join cult enjoy their own freedom and personal relationship with whatever they want to worship. I have no problem with that, it is their rights to do so.
@bostonphil (4459)
• United States
13 Nov 11
I was not attracted to cults per se. I was attracted to some persons and some groups and had no idea the group was in fact. a cult. I think that others have had the same experience.
Cults can be very deceptive. They have fronts. They do not say "we are a cult" because often individuals do not realize that they are in a cult.
Often by the the time a person realizes that they are or were in a cult, it is too late. They have been in a cult for months or years and have suffered sometimes quite a bit. And need help to adjust back to society.
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@bostonphil (4459)
• United States
14 Nov 11
bagarad, you know a lot about cults. What you have written is what I learned in my research on cults.
Re my friends. I knew some of them for years before they ever began to talk to me about their guru. They invited me to an event where their guru spoke. Thousands of persons came. I knew many of these persons and had for many years. yet, I never knew that they were members of this group. I was shocked.
@bagarad (14283)
• Paso Robles, California
13 Nov 11
You are so right. The first step is usually just offering friendship. Then when trust in the friendship is built up, you get invited to this "great church" (or other group) I belong to. Then when you visit you are made much over and get invited to more ways to spend time with these people. Finally you get invited to be part of the inner group if they think you are sufficiently brainwashed. Or at least they let you think it's the inner group and that you will have really made it. Once in the inner group or close to it, the stage you have talked about it reached, where they completely control you.
@bagarad (14283)
• Paso Robles, California
13 Nov 11
I have not personally been in a cult, but I had a friend who was in a religious cult. I make a difference between a cult and someone else's religion that I don't happen to think is true. Just because a religion is different than mine doesn't make it a cult. One characteristic of a cult is mind control. The usual recruit is someone who knows just enough about the Bible to respect it, but not enough to really know what it teaches as whole. College or young adult age is the most vulnerable time because that's the age when many are away from home for the first time and many are trying to decide what they believe. Many were raised in a church that never really challenged them, and they may have just been there because it was a family habit. They may never have personalized their faith.
Then they leave home, and one day they meet one or two of the cult members who invite them to a meeting where they find everyone is very accepting and loving -- hugs and all. The group my friend was involved with depended more, I believe, on emotion, than on thinking things through. Independent thinking was discouraged. The first thing the cult members did was to invite my friend to leave her home and live with one of them. My friend's father was the pastor of our church, and he and his wife were very sad about all this. Their daughter was convinced they were doomed to hell because they would not leave the denomination (all denominations were evil) and join her group, which was "the only true church." She soon was not allowed to go anywhere alone, even home to see her family. She was a gifted musician, and they made her think her guitar was an idol and she was pressured to destroy it or give it away. Her father asked my husband and me, because we were the college advisors at our church, to attend some of the meetings with her to learn what we could. We even let them have a meeting in our home to get an inside view. There was a lot of singing and chanting of Bible verses and no real teaching from the Bible. The basic teaching was that all denominations are bad, there should only be one church in each city, and they were it.
Neither we nor her family could reach her because she could not talk to anyone alone. This is something common to a lot of cults. You are pressured to leave your family and live with the group or someone the group trusts to be totally committed. When you go out, you go with someone else from the group. This girl was no dummy. She had just graduated from a tough Christian College of her denomination. But when she came home, there was really no one her age in our small church and she was lonely. She had come in contact with the members of this group at work. She finally became a missionary for them, and gave all she had. She was sent across the county.
And then she got sick. They didn't want the responsibility of caring for her, so they finally called her dad to come and get her. It took her some time to get over the way they had treated her when she was no longer useful to them. She spent time healing with her family and finally came to terms with her faith, and returned to the one she'd been raised in. Fortunately, she had a good Biblical background and finally realized she'd been misled and brainwashed and that the Bible was still true and God hadn't changed. She had just been sidetracked into wrong doctrine at a vulnerable time in her life when she wanted to be very committed and her own church put more emphasis on studying the Bible with one's mind as well as with one's emotions. It was a somewhat liturgical church with a lot of emphasis on right doctrine and not so much emphasis on emotions.
Many times people who have grown up in a liturgical church (Catholic, Orthodox, Lutheran, Reformed, Anglican or Episcopal) are prone to turning to a faith that is more expressive emotionally when they come of age. So they may join a charismatic movement in their own denomination or they may become Baptist or Pentecostal or Evangelical Free or even join an Independent Bible Church. On the other hand, the people who grew up in non-liturgical churches often grow up and join the Catholic or Lutheran church. Sometimes people just tend to go for the opposite of what they grew up with. But when people make these kind of changes today, it's not considered a big deal. Most Christian churches have the same basic creeds, and the big differences are how they express themselves in worship. The disagree on a few doctrinal issues, but most Baptists don't think believing Presbyterians or Lutherans are going to hell, and the Lutherans and Episcopalians don't think the Baptist and Full Gospel Christians won't get to heaven. In fact, their pastors all belong to the local ministerial association and work together on some things, such as a Good Friday service. You will not find cult leaders the least bit interested in that association because they are convinced all others are lost. Period.
I do not know if that particular cult is still around. It doesn't seem to exist where I live. It, and many other cults, hang around in university towns to try to recruit from the students who are feeling the need to belong to a group, since the university can often seem like a big and unfriendly place where it's hard to meet people. I do know that most cults, no matter what they believe, try to get people away from the family and friends in the "old life" and replace them with group members. They seek unquestioning obedience, and they sometime insist you turn your money over to them.
Got to stop writing and go to bed.
@bostonphil (4459)
• United States
13 Nov 11
Wow, you are a great writer. I wish I were as good.
I have noticed that cults that were once very active and noticeable have "disappeared" like the Hare Krishna's. Some of these groups may have evolved into other groups while others disbanded. I think that the Hare Krishna's still exist but have changed. I think that they now have grown their hair out and work among us.
A lot of cults have matured to where they are now more mainstream.
For many years, off and on, I had problems with groups that either were cult like or were considered cults. There was incredible pressure on me to join. Manipulation, deception and mind control or psychological manipulation was used on me. I continued to resist and I was harassed. Law enforcement stepped in and then there was retaliation against me because law enforcement had gotten involved.
Things have greatly improved. This all happened many years ago. But this is how I developed an interest in cults and other groups.
I still run into some of the persons who were member of these cults. Most have left the cult they were in at the time but they have since joined similar groups. However, they do not try to recruit me or harass me We are not friends but we can be casually friendly when we see one another.
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@arthurchappell (44998)
• Preston, England
3 Sep 15
@bostonphil The Krishna's are still out there though more low key than they used to be
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@littlefranciscan (18327)
• United States
17 Mar 13
I kinda believe that most organized religions are mini cults.. we enter into them are suppose to accept their rules, believe their teachings and follow their rules. I belonged to one of the biggest ones: the catholic one. No more now. I have seen what's going on with the higher powers. I feel sad that I believed it. It got me hurt and others too.
@bostonphil (4459)
• United States
17 Mar 13
Most of today's religions began as cults. Religion can both do good as well as harm. The Catholic Church is one of the world's great religions and is very powerful. However, I realize that a lot of followers have been harmed in many ways.
I always wonder what Jesus would think about how the many Christian Churches observe his teachings. Jesus was so simple and he preached simplicity. Would he like the complexity and splendor of the Catholic Church as well as other churches?
@bostonphil (4459)
• United States
14 Nov 11
I have heard that said. Furthermore, it has been said that all major religions of today began as a cult.
However, you usually know the rules of a religion meaning you know what you can do and what you can not do. And usually you can leave a religion freely if you choose not to be a member any longer but you might get disapproval from family or friends, even loosing friends and family for leaving the faith.
A religion also does not recruit deceptively. A religion is open about being a religion and seeking new members.
Cults often use fronts and use deception in recruiting. And sometimes members who try to leave or do leave are harassed and even harmed.
@sijabatnaburjut (2171)
• Indonesia
13 Nov 11
I don't believe in cult. My father and mom still believe but I was not sure the portion of their belief to cult. I did not know if you can call it cult or whatever. My father and my mother ever took me to a traditional healer and they ask immune source for my body. Really, i my heart deep down, I regret to follow their will, because I think people who believe in the shaman is same thing as the cult. My father and mother remind me not obey its taboo, so the power did not get weak. I did not ever follow what they wanted me to do, because I did not believe it. Okay
@bostonphil (4459)
• United States
13 Nov 11
You are in Indonesia. What religion are you? Was the traditional healer a regular doctor? What about your parents? what religion were they or are they now?
i know people who go to and or follow shamans. Like you, I do not know if it is a cult or not. Or of a shaman is a cult leader. I think that it can go either way.
@HoniHania (29)
•
14 Nov 11
There should never be any pressure to join any faction of any belief. We are all born with inheritant rights and one of those is to choose for ourselves what we think is right. People on both sides of the cultism issue seem very passionate. It seems to me that forcing anyone to believe a certian way just because their beliefs are not viewedd as normal, borders upon the blight that some of the world embraces simply due to a difference in beliefs. This kind of mentality is why many people today and troughout history have had their lives taken in the interest of truth.
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@bostonphil (4459)
• United States
14 Nov 11
In looking back, I believe that my friends felt they were trying to help me in their attempts to recruit me. Some of them believed that their guru was God while other believed that their guru was a messenger from God. So they felt like they had found something very precious and special.
Now some of those same persons believe that their former guru was and is evil. One former member believes that he is the anti-Christ.
On the other side of the cult issue, I have found that some persons concerned about cult activity are over zealous in pointing fingers and name calling.
Equally, I have also found that members of mainstream religions can be overly zealous in their attempts to recruit new members.